Disrespect toward Islam on this Forum

[birdsong]

It is so sad that you were unable to detect the sarcasm I intended to use when I wrote “bullying” in between quotation marks ……

it is a shame that some people that should have the intelligence and maturity of a normal adult still need to have things explained to them as if they were little kids ….

So yeah, go ahead and quote me as admitting that I and others here are being such mean and sick bullies to your muslim brothers and sisters …… (hope this time you detected my sarcasm ) …

Some are obviously capable of working that out for yourself. I do credit you with some intelligence

So you admit to bullying then? Now that is an interesting thing.

You admit that there are some posting on this forum whose sole objective it to do emotional harm to others and to judge others worthy of cruelty without knowing of their identity.

Now that is really interesting,

May I quote you? Or rather I will quote you. Thanks

 

[Sixtus]

Birdsong wrote:

At least I have to thank you because you did not say that our “bullying” of your “muslim brothers and sisters” can transform them into suicidal bombers

Some are obviously capable of working that out for yourself. I do credit you with some intelligence

So you admit to bullying then? Now that is an interesting.

You admit that there are some posting on this forum whose sole objective it to do emotional harm to others and to judge others worthy of cruelty without knowing of their identity. Cruelty and bullying is never ever justified. Even NATO soldiers in combat observe to rules of engagement or answer for it in the Courts.

I have in nearly all my posts on this forum argued for love, patience tolerance forgiveness brotherly and sisterly love. Birdsong calls that Vile and repugnant

Now that is really interesting,

Our first Pontiff had something to say about that 1Ptr 4:16

 

[Sixtus]

Birdsong wrote:

Quote:At least I have to thank you because you did not say that our “bullying” of your “muslim brothers and sisters” can transform them into suicidal bombers

Some are obviously capable of working that out for yourself. I do credit you with some intelligence

So you admit to bullying then? Now that is an interesting.

You admit that there are some posting on this forum whose sole objective it to do emotional harm to others and to judge others worthy of cruelty without knowing of their identity. Cruelty and bullying is never ever justified. Even NATO soldiers in combat observe to rules of engagement or answer for it in the Courts.

With very fiew exceptions, in nearly all posts on this forum, have argued for love, patience tolerance forgiveness brotherly and sisterly love. Birdsong calls that Vile and repugnant

Now that is really interesting,

Our first Pontiff had something to say about that 1Ptr 4:16

 

[Montalban]

Montalban:

You think it’s noble defending a person promoting a cause, per se

Sixtus:

Now look here, you are not turning the tables on me and trying to accuse me of your tyranny. You are the one who is advocating the use of violence not me!!!

Where did I advocate violence?

Sixtus:

You are the one who is arguing in support of violence not me.

Where did I do this?

Some people who defend evil do so so often that they become confused. They think that it’s ‘noble’ to offer a defence and get caught up in this that they lose sight of what it is that they’re defending. I see this quite a lot on these threads. People want a fair go and when they see Islam being attacked they instinctively come into the debate to defend Islam without realising what it is that they’re defending. I’ve seen people who in no way advocate child abuse offer relativist arguments to support Muhammad’s actions towards his child-bride.

Montalban:

What is deemed ‘good’ in Islam is so opposed to Christianity that it warrants detailed discussion.

Sixtus:

This is nothing to do with what’s good in Islam, this is nothing to do with Islam so do not know why you are even mentioning it

We can either discuss defending evil, per se, or defending specific forms of evil, such as Islam. It’s entirely up to you, however you seem to both want to discuss Islam and then not, at the same time (see post above). If you want to make up your mind, that would be great. I’m happy to discuss either in general terms, or in specific ones.

Montalban:

Muhammad is their ideal man. Jesus is our ideal. You can compare the two to see what they aim for as opposed to what we aim for.

Sixtus:

Just an argument to try to support your advocating of ambush and killing

Who’s advocating killing? And a moment ago you didn’t want to discuss specifics - i.e. Islam. Now you do.

Montalban:

Muhammad oversaw the execution of PoWs. He urged someone to lie, in order to murder someone. He laughed when people told him that they’d murdered his enemies. He had intercourse with a child.

Sixtus:

So did Adolf Hitler!!

I don’t think he had sex with a child, but indeed both men are evil. Would you therefore make the same complaint if you saw me saying Nazism is evil?

Sixtus:

I am not in the slightest bit interested in Islam or for that matter…your religion. Whatever it is, it is not Christian. Christ did not advocate doing emotional harm to anyone. Show me one text in your bible which says that HE did.just one!!

Calling into my own religion is a rather personal attack, and odd since you’re advocating love etc.

Sixtus:

We are not discussing Islam we are discussing ambushing and killing lone Muslims who visit this forum, to visit on them as much evil as our minds can conjure. Some here are trying to outdo Islam in cruelty and trying to say 'look, you are not alone, our religion can be just as horrible if not worse.

How is it ‘cruel’ to discuss evil?

Sixtus:

Well keep me out of it. When you are killing innocents, whom you do not know, have never seen except for their posts here, you are not doing so in my name.

Who’s killing anyone?

Sixtus:

You have judged and condemned lone Muslims who have posted here and you know nothing about them. You have no proof they support Osama Bin Laden.

You seem to move through a whole range of straw-man, and now personal insult to a person here who is simply discussing things.

What scares me is your unwillingness to have a debate based on what’s being said, and what’s happening here.

Show me where I advocated violence.

 

[Montalban]

So you admit to bullying then? Now that is an interesting.

Sounds like a case of pointscoring.

 

[birdsong]

Talk about lying and/or twisting my words Sixtus …… I called you out on your vile and repugnant accusation that Montalban has advocated using violence and harming muslims …. Since you obviously can not back up your accusation, now you are trying to backpedal and save face ….

Again, you are distorting the meaning of my post and my use of sarcasm when I used the word “bullying” …… you are either a very deficient in your reading skills, or very dishonest, even to the point of lying through your teeth …

You can lie and try to deceive all you want Sixtus … , it will be my pleasure to refute your childish and deceitful ways ….

Some are obviously capable of working that out for yourself. I do credit you with some intelligence

So you admit to bullying then? Now that is an interesting.

You admit that there are some posting on this forum whose sole objective it to do emotional harm to others and to judge others worthy of cruelty without knowing of their identity. Cruelty and bullying is never ever justified. Even NATO soldiers in combat observe to rules of engagement or answer for it in the Courts.

With very fiew exceptions, in nearly all posts on this forum, have argued for love, patience tolerance forgiveness brotherly and sisterly love. Birdsong calls that Vile and repugnant

Now that is really interesting,

Our first Pontiff had something to say about that 1Ptr 4:16

 

[Sixtus]

Where did I advocate violence?

You are a collective voice.

I am not the slightest bit interested in Islam. I am concerned only for individuals right to come here and post without fear of being beaten up.

My whole arguement throughout this thread has been for a Christian response to those who do not agree with you [myself not included, what you think of me matters me not]

Yet to every post where I have argued for restraint against violence towards individual contributors, there has been a string of advocates who feel that because extremist elements within Islam have declared war on the West, it is felt ok to victimise Muslims who post here and visit on them the worst that extremist Christianity has to offer.

I am not disputing the horrors that have occured to Chrisitians in Iraq. I find it a tragedy that Catholicism was there first. The oldest surviving Catholic community in the world [who still speak Aramaic] are being ‘ethnically cleansed’. That is terrible.

But despite these horrors, that does not in my view excuse Christians to seek retribution by harrassing, bullying, emotionally harming and beating up individual Muslims who post here.

I call them my brothers and sisters because believe it or not, they like I are earthlings. They belong to the same race as I: the Human Race. Christ died for them as much as me.

I advocate peace, restraint, respect for the religous and cultural diversity and brotherly love.

In response I am called ‘strawman’ nazi, evil, anti- Christan, pagan, Muslim etc etc

I am sorry my friend but I will contine advocating ‘brotherly love’ fopr as long as I live. I do so by the grace of God in my employment and I shall contine. If that is deemed by some as offensive then I do not apologise. So be it

Peace be with you

 

[birdsong]

I am not the slightest bit interested in Islam. I am concerned only for individuals right to come here and post without fear of being beaten up.

Yeah, I guess some members of this forum should be reported to the human rights organisation for refuting the propaganda of muslims with historical facts, reason and logics, as a lot of people here have done ….…. (Sixtus, are you able to detect my sarcasm??)

My whole arguement throughout this thread has been for a Christian response to those who do not agree with you [myself not included, what you think of me matters me not]

Of course, personal opinions about individuals are not important …. I don’t know any of the posters here personally … however, I will challenge your muslim friends anytime they are trying to convince us that muhhmamda and the quoran should be considered as true revelations from the true biblical god …… that’s what you don’t understand Sixtus, and it is really embarrassing that you equate the refutation of their arguments using logics and facts with “bullying” and harassment …… your really have no clue what you are talking about ….

Yet to every post where I have argued for restraint against violence towards individual contributors, there has been a string of advocates who feel that because extremist elements within Islam have declared war on the West, it is felt ok to victimise Muslims who post here and visit on them the worst that extremist Christianity has to offer.

This gets even worse …. Again, you are equating the firm and clear refutations to muslim propagandist here with violence, extremism and bullying?? ….

But despite these horrors, that does not in my view excuse Christians to seek retribution by harrassing, bullying, emotionally harming and beating up individual Muslims who post here.

Addressed above.

I call them my brothers and sisters because believe it or not, they like I are earthlings. They belong to the same race as I: the Human Race. Christ died for them as much as me.

Curiously, your mislim brothers and sisters make a mockery of Jesus’ sacrifice, to the point of denying it …. They even invoke the wrath of “allah” unto us Christians (Koran 9:29), and yet you think all is fine and dandy???

I advocate peace, restraint, respect for the religous and cultural diversity and brotherly love.

Yeah, just as 9:29 and countless other verses in the quoran advocate restrain, respect and religious cultural diversity (hope you can detect my sarcasm Sixtus !!)

In response I am called ‘strawman’ nazi, evil, anti- Christan, pagan, Muslim etc etc

I am sorry my friend but I will contine advocating ‘brotherly love’ fopr as long as I live. I do so [by the grace of God in my employment and I shall contine. If that is deemed by some as offensive then I do not apologise. So be it

Peace be with you

Whenever your argument is built on fallacies and red-herrings, nothing better than playing the role of the victim, right Sixtus? … add a bit of your bravado (“if that is deemed to be offensive then I do not apologise), and we have the best evidence that your whole “argument” has no leg to stand on ….

Who would have thought that the use of historical facts, logics and reason to refute nonsensical propaganda would ever be considered as “bullying”, rudeness, violence and extremism???
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[Sixtus]

Birdsong wrote:

The only thing I can not stand is people who are so blatantly dishonest that they knowingly spread misinformation and lies just to score cheap debating points ……

Please tell me where I have been dishonest, spread misinformation and lies?

If ‘doing love’ is wrong then I do not want to do right

May the peace of Christ be with you now and always

 

[birdsong]

You leave me no choice but to expose your lies and misinformation Sixtus

Here’s the words I wrote to you in a PM:

birsong wrote: don’t know what your intention was sending me this Sixtus … I just want to let you know that your deceitful and dishonest twisting of my words is not appreciated …. The only thing I can not stand is people who are so blatantly dishonest that they knowingly spread misinformation and lies just to score cheap debating points …… so please, I will politely ask you to never send me any PM again …. Apart from any communication in the forum, I don’t want to have anything to do with you ….

In the above PM, I accused you of blatantly misrepresenting my use of the word “bullying”, and called you out on your dishonesty. I used that word in a sarcastic way, hence my use of quotation marks. Now, you misrepresented my words and said that I had admitted to being a bully to others here. This is what you initially wrote:

sixtus wrote: So you admit to bullying then? Now that is an interesting thing.

You admit that there are some posting on this forum whose sole objective it to do emotional harm to others and to judge others worthy of cruelty without knowing of their identity.

Now that is really interesting,

May I quote you? Or rather I will quote you. Thanks

Why do I claim that you are blatantly lying and misrepresenting my words? Because the message in which I wrote the word “bullying” for the first time was written at 5:25 PM. You then wrote your above quoted message somewhere between 5:25 and 5:49 pm, the latter being the time when I wrote the following reply to you:

birdsong wrote: It is so sad that you were unable to detect the sarcasm I intended to use when I wrote “bullying” in between quotation marks ……

it is a shame that some people that should have the intelligence and maturity of a normal adult still need to have things explained to them as if they were little kids ….

So yeah, go ahead and quote me as admitting that I and others here are being such mean and sick bullies to your muslim brothers and sisters …… (hope this time you detected my sarcasm ) …

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sixtus
Some are obviously capable of working that out for yourself. I do credit you with some intelligence

So you admit to bullying then? Now that is an interesting thing.

You admit that there are some posting on this forum whose sole objective it to do emotional harm to others and to judge others worthy of cruelty without knowing of their identity.

Now that is really interesting,

May I quote you? Or rather I will quote you. Thanks

In the above message, I made very clear that I had used the word “bullying” in a sarcastic way, meaning that I never admitted to being a bully to muslim posters here.

Then , at 5:56 pm, you Sixtus, even after I posted the above reply clarifying that my use of the word bullying had been in a sarcastic context and that I never admitted to being a bully, you kept on claiming that I had admitted to being a bully to muslims on here:

Quote:
Some are obviously capable of working that out for yourself. I do credit you with some intelligence

So you admit to bullying then? Now that is an interesting.

You admit that there are some posting on this forum whose sole objective it to do emotional harm to others and to judge others worthy of cruelty without knowing of their identity. Cruelty and bullying is never ever justified. Even NATO soldiers in combat observe to rules of engagement or answer for it in the Courts.

With very fiew exceptions, in nearly all posts on this forum, have argued for love, patience tolerance forgiveness brotherly and sisterly love. Birdsong calls that Vile and repugnant

Now that is really interesting,

Our first Pontiff had something to say about that 1Ptr 4:16

So it’s very clear that, even after I had clarified that I never admitted to being a bully to anyone on here, you were still claiming that I had done such a thing.

My clarifying message came a full 7 minutes before you wrote your message claming I had admitted to being a bully, which of course I never did. You obviouysly had enough time to read my clarifying message, and that’s why I accused you of blatantly lying through your teeth, or at least of having very bad reading skills and a very short memory that you were still claiming I had said something I clearly did not.

So, what is it Sixtus, are you lying or do you have problems with your reading and comprehension skills?

Please tell me where I have been dishonest, spread misinformation and lies?

If ‘doing love’ is wrong then I do not want to do right

May the peace of Christ be with you now and always

 

[Kevin42]

This thread sounds like a clashing gong or a clanging symbol. How sad .

 

[Sixtus]

birdsong wrote:

So it’s very clear that, even after I had clarified that I never admitted to being a bully to anyone on here, you were still claiming that I had done such a thing.

My dear birdsong, I have never accused anyone individual of being a bully. I have suggested that lone Muslims who post here have been ambushed, insulted and emotionally harmed by offensive remarks. That is a fact. I have not identified anyone individual who has done that, for to do so would of itself be uncharitable.

I merely ask for restraint a circumspection of the facts, introspection and a reflective practice of Catholic Apologetics.

Every day there are Muslims who are converting to Christianity. It would help those who are genuinely seeking the truth if they were met at the door of enquiry with a certain Christian charity instead of a punch coming from around the foor frame.

Extremism always festers It also breeds extremism. Loveness does not have to equal weakness. Christ was the most loving yet He is the most powerful of all existence.

‘Muslim bashing’ is not the way to win hearts and minds. It is also not charitable or Christ-like.

Peace be with you.

 

[Joe_Monahan]

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