Dissident Kueng criticises pope during German visit

[bones_IV]

Funny isn’t it? Hans Kung, who had dinner with Benedict a few years ago, now lashes out at the Holy Father. Not suprised at his comments, cause hey as they say, “A prophet is not without honor except in his native place.”

Link

 

[Scottgun]

As Kung’s star grows fainter, expect him to get more shrill.

 

[frommi]

I don’t exactly see anything in that article that constitutes “slamming” the pontiff. Did I miss something?

 

[mercygate]

Kung:

"He didn’t fulfil any of the hopes of reform-oriented Catholics.

“But on a personal level, he made a nice impression and was on the wavelength of the faithful.”

Sounds like Kung is starting to get it. The Pope is not fulfilling the hopes of reform-oriented Catholics and IS on the wavelength of the faithful.

Keyword: Faithful

 

[frommi]

Kung:

"He didn’t fulfil any of the hopes of reform-oriented Catholics.

“But on a personal level, he made a nice impression and was on the wavelength of the faithful.”

Sounds like Kung is starting to get it. The Pope is not fulfilling the hopes of reform-oriented Catholics and IS on the wavelength of the faithful.

Keyword: Faithful

So this means by your logic you can’t be faithful and reform oriented…talk about a fallacy

 

[mercygate]

So this means by your logic you can’t be faithful and reform oriented…talk about a fallacy

Kkueng is not “reform” oriented. He is way past that mark. “Reform oriented” is a phrase that sounds good. Like “choice.”

 

[bones_IV]

I don’t exactly see anything in that article that constitutes “slamming” the pontiff. Did I miss something?

I think perhaps it would do you good to read the writings of the Church fathers in referrence to such people like Kung. Here’s one from St. Jerome. "In the life of the Church the Fathers see these false prophets, as of whom Jesus speaks, in heretics, who apparently are pious and *reformist *but who in fact do not have Christ’s sentiments (cf. St. Jerome, Comm. in Matth., 7). Something for you to think about.

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

Kueng is like a number of others (Matthew Fox comes to mind) who have turned their backs on faithfulness to the Magisterium. They can only get press these days by trashing the Holy Father and the Church, because nothing they are doing is noteworthy.

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Sounds like his tete-a-tete with the new pope had little effect on his views or attitude.

 

[Digitonomy]

I don’t exactly see anything in that article that constitutes “slamming” the pontiff.

You are quite right, he didn’t slam Benedict. He criticized the Holy Father, in an honest and straightforward way, without apparent rancor - probably in similar words to those he used when dining with him in Rome.

frommi:

Did I miss something?

You missed that the source is a little sensationalist, although nowhere near as bad as the other tabloid websites we sometimes see cited here.

 

[frommi]

I think perhaps it would do you good to read the writings of the Church fathers in referrence to such people like Kung. Here’s one from St. Jerome. "In the life of the Church the Fathers see these false prophets, as of whom Jesus speaks, in heretics, who apparently are pious and *reformist *but who in fact do not have Christ’s sentiments (cf. St. Jerome, Comm. in Matth., 7). Something for you to think about.

ahh…as opposed to all the traditionalists around here who have the market cornered on Christ’s sentiments…which is proven time and time again by the way they ignore their bishops, and even the pope to prove a point.

i get it now

 

[mercygate]

ahh…as opposed to all the traditionalists around here who have the market cornered on Christ’s sentiments…which is proven time and time again by the way they ignore their bishops, and even the pope to prove a point.

i get it now

Excuse me?

 

[8640]

ahh…as opposed to all the traditionalists around here who have the market cornered on Christ’s sentiments…which is proven time and time again by the way they ignore their bishops, and even the pope to prove a point.

i get it now

Well, I don’t know about that but I don’t think Kueng’s comments were very fair, do you? For Example in speaking on “the rule of celibacy for priests, or the ban on contraceptives and other uncomfortable Roman rules” he said:

“He was always stressing the nice side of faith and the church and leaving the harsh church rules that still exist unmentioned.”

If anything, Kueng should be criticized, not the Pope. Truth is always “uncomfortable” (using his word) for those who do not live in the truth.

 

[Richardols]

Well, I don’t know about that but I don’t think Kueng’s comments were very fair, do you?

What was unfair about them? Küng is wrong, I believe, but to say that his remarks were unfair is to imply that the Pope is above criticism. I would think that each man was far franker to each another at their meeting, especially given their personal relationship, than we would think.

 

[tequilamac]

ahh…as opposed to all the traditionalists around here who have the market cornered on Christ’s sentiments…which is proven time and time again by the way they ignore their bishops, and even the pope to prove a point.

i get it now

Huh? How does your response relate to the quote? See, this is the problem with sarcasm and synicism. It seeks to confuse.