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[onetimeposter]

The Church’s position does not seem to be working in Africa.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein.

 

[Erich]

It is simply a mechanism with which people can help protect themselves when they choose to have sex with a stranger.

Many healthcare professionals believe there really is no such thing as “safe” sex.

I wonder how many folks who routinely promote condom usage as a means of “helping to protect” against STD’s would themselves have sex with person of known positive HIV status, knowing that the only thing “protecting” them against contracting HIV is a thin barrier only 0.04 mm to 0.07 mm thick.

 

[fix]

Many healthcare professionals believe there really is no such thing as “safe” sex.

I wonder how many folks who routinely promote condom usage as a means of “helping to protect” against STD’s would themselves have sex with person of known positive HIV status, knowing that the only thing “protecting” them against contracting HIV is a thin barrier only 0.04 mm to 0.07 mm thick.

That says a lot. People see the sex act as absolutely critical to their existence even to the point of engangering their life. It is not rational. Claiming a condom is a good way to help oneself is equally irrational particularly when all one has to do is not do it.

Telling others to use a condom simply encourages bad behavior.

 

[onetimeposter]

That says a lot. People see the sex act as absolutely critical to their existence even to the point of engangering their life. It is not rational. Claiming a condom is a good way to help oneself is equally irrational particularly when all one has to do is not do it.

Telling others to use a condom simply encourages bad behavior.

The magesterium ignores the fact that people will do what people do.

Have pre-marital sex, with or without being told not to.

Lets teach these people how to better protect themselves by wearing a condom.

Either way, they are going to have sex…all the preaching about abstinence will not change that fact.

Preach abstinence, but also contraception.

 

[mlldrl]

The magesterium ignores the fact that people will do what people do.

Have pre-marital sex, with or without being told not to.

Lets teach these people how to better protect themselves by wearing a condom.

Either way, they are going to have sex…all the preaching about abstinence will not change that fact.

Preach abstinence, but also contraception.

Why don’t YOU go teach them. Why does the Church have to teach them such things?

M

 

[LilyM]

The magesterium ignores the fact that people will do what people do.

Have pre-marital sex, with or without being told not to.

Lets teach these people how to better protect themselves by wearing a condom.

Either way, they are going to have sex…all the preaching about abstinence will not change that fact.

Preach abstinence, but also contraception.

Then take it up with God, who was clearly ignoring the fact that ‘people will do what people do’ when He said ‘thou shalt not kill’, ‘thou shalt not steal’, ‘thou shalt not commit adultery’ and so on. What else did He say? Oh yeah, ‘be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect’ He sets some very high standards for us - not without thinking we’re capable of reaching them, clearly - what gives you the right to do any less?

Of course I’m sure you think the above are just motherhood statements rather than commandments and that if included in our Bibles and binding on us at all they should read ‘thou shalt not kill … but beause people will do what people do, make sure to use a bullet to the brain, it’s more humane’ or ‘thou shalt not steal … but because people will do what people do, be sure to steal from someone who’s stinking rich because they can afford it’, ‘thou shalt not commit adultery … but because people will do what people do, make sure your spouse never finds out’ and so on.

 

[Spirithound]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein.

You mean having sex with strangers and expecting not to get infected?

 

[onetimeposter]

You mean having sex with strangers and expecting not to get infected?

If a person wears a condom, they significantly lower the risk.

 

[Layman]

The answer is abstinence. Sex is for making babies. Modern man thinks it’s his right to have mutual mast*rbation (protected sex) on demand.

Eventually people will realise how degraded that is.

Don’t want AIDS and all the other crotch-rotting lurgies out there?
Want to avoid bad *‘relationships’ ** and psychic degradation?
Ladies keep yer knickers on and gents keep yer peckers in yer pants!

• Interesting how clinical that word is.

 

[fix]

The magesterium ignores the fact that people will do what people do.

The magisterium speaks as Christ. He who hears you hears Me.

Have pre-marital sex, with or without being told not to.

Lets teach these people how to better protect themselves by wearing a condom.

Either way, they are going to have sex…all the preaching about abstinence will not change that fact.

Preach abstinence, but also contraception.

There is no “protection” by acting badly. All you would be doing is encouraging others to keep acting wrongly. It is a false sense of security.

 

[JudieK]

Again- begging the question- why on earth would people who would have sex with a stranger care one bit what the Church says about condoms??? Do you think they are faithful Catholics just waiting for the Pope’s approval to wear a condom? They will do what they want to do anyway. Now if you are saying that the Church should DISTRIBUTE condoms in Africa- that is going too far. Because then the argument will be made that poor people in NYC or elsewhere are having sex with out condoms- the Church should do a public service and hand out condoms there, too. The bottom line is- the Church must maintain its integrity on this issue. If people feel so strongly about this, why not fund “ACT UP” or some other group that solely exists to hand out condoms? Fornicators don’t care what the Church says. Is the Lutheran church or the Methodist Church or the Jewish synagogue handing out condoms in Africa?

 

[KathleenElsie]

If a person wears a condom, they significantly lower the risk.

If I were to play Russian Roulette with a gun knowing that there was ONLY a one in six chance of actually killing my self then my risk would be one in six. But, since there is still that one chance that the bullet was in the chamber, would I be considered crazy to pull the trigger? I believe the answer is yes.

Yet, when someone uses a condom that has holes (pores as it may be said) larger then the HIV virus and a failure to contain all the fluids of up to 75% of the time, How it is considered “safe”. How do you justify this Russian Roulette even if you don’t believe in the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church? If health of all parties were to be considered then condoms would be declared a failed medical barrier.

 

[KathleenElsie]

The answer is abstinence. Sex is for making babies. Modern man thinks it’s his right to have mutual mast*rbation (protected sex) on demand.

Eventually people will realise how degraded that is.

Don’t want AIDS and all the other crotch-rotting lurgies out there?
Want to avoid bad *‘relationships’ ** and psychic degradation?
Ladies keep yer knickers on and gents keep yer peckers in yer pants!

• Interesting how clinical that word is.

Bravo, WELL SAID

 

[Oscarthecat]

It will be interesting to see if the Church listens to reason.

The Church IS the voice of reason here, it is these dissidents that aren’t listening.

The Church’s teachings against condom use haven’t been catastrophic for that country- what has been catastrophic in our efforts to help these people is the ignorance of divisive groups like these “Catholic dissidents” who would rather just put band-aids (or condoms, as the case may be) on the symptom of the real the problems facing Africa.

The Church is working hard to help the people of Africa reclaim their country and their morals from the rape gangs that certainly don’t worry about condom use, the political monsters who kill their own people and steal their food for the express purpose of keeping the poor people there in extreme poverty, and persistent superstitious beliefs that claim a man can cure himself of HIV by raping a virgin (without a condom, of course).

 

[Oscarthecat]

If a person wears a condom, they significantly lower the risk.

what happens when the supply shipment including the crates of UN supplied condoms for an African town is raided by the local warlords? What do those people do then? Who knows when they’re going to receive another shipment of supplies?

Abstinence doesn’t need to be shipped out by the UN. The only way it can be stolen from someone is through rape, and rapists generally don’t bother with condoms.

 

[mlldrl]

OneTime has ignored every question put to him. I’m done wasting time with him.

M

 

[vz71]

Then the scourge of HIV transmission will continue in Africa.

The unwanted pregnancies will continue and desperate women will continue to seek abortions.

Hence the advertisements I suppose.

At the risk of sounding like I am reading a bumper sticker…

Trying to prevent AIDS by distributing condoms is like trying to prevent murder by distributing bullet proof vests.

There is only one thing that prevents sexual transmission of AIDS and pregnancy every time it is tried…chastity.

 

[vz71]

The one country in Africa that has taken the moral stand on sexuality and family is the only one that has had a marked decline in HIV and AIDS.

Are you suggesting that South Africa has a lower per capita HIV transmission rate than Canada?

Are you suggesting that Canada is in Africa?

 

[rtconstant]

On the contrary, it accepts the fact that people will have pre-marital sex with persons and people have always had pre-marital sex.

It is simply a mechanism with which people can help protect themselves when they choose to have sex with a stranger.

The problem with this line of thinking and Christian morality is that it tends to encourage the view that the end product of sex is what is what is bad (i.e. babies and possible sickness). Sex outside of the confines of marriage is the problem not having children or possibly getting sick. When The Church weakens its position on morality the rest of the world doesn’t have a chance.

The Church saying abstain and the threat of a deadly infection does not stop people from engaging in these acts, so perhaps they should be taught how to protect themselves if they decide to have sex with person of unknown HIV status.

There are several problems here. The issue with AIDS in Africa is not like it is here in the West where VD’s and viruses spread by sexual behavior are mostly a product of irresponsible behavior. In Africa you have regions where that rape is rampant. In the Congo you have a population of millions of street children who have a 100% rape rate (both boys and girls). Children are kidnapped by roving militias like the LLA who use the girls and youg boys until the boys are old enough to carry weapons then they go out and treat others as they were treated.

The above are the problems and a condom can’t fix them. A rapist could care less if who he is attacking gets infected. A complete reworking of people’s attitudes and morality needs to be established. This can only be done with unwavering moral teaching. A case in point is Uganda the only country in sub-sahara Africa that managed to get a declining AIDS rate. They taught morality and it worked. Of course international groups are trying to sabotage that with contraceptives now.

Condoms are not 100% protection against sickness and encouraging people to continue their current activites but to just use latex is going to neither help or fix the problem. You’re essentially telling them to continue spreading the virus “but just don’t do it as much”.

 

[edwest2]

Too often, those who are against Church teaching on this matter say it’s not reasonable or it’s not an intelligent thing to do. Should parents simply stop telling their children not to have sex outside of marriage because some will do it anyway? Sex education has been a failure in the United States not because of abstinance but because too many don’t care. It’s not enough to know how to put one on when you don’t even really know the person you’re having sex with. There’s no trust, just the act. A lot of guys will just refuse to use it.

And is it unintelligent or unreasonable to expect adults to avoid sex, especially with strangers? If everyone can be intelligent or reasonable, then abstinence is the answer. Self-control is the answer.

Africa is basically a giant war zone.

God bless,
Ed