Distorted Definition of Protestant

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This was posted in another thread in the Apologetics forum:
Note: Protestants are defined as “all post-Reformation Christian churches, such as Baptist, Methodist and Episcopalian, including Mormons and New Age Spirituality adherents.”
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I’m sorry, but this is a very distorted definition of Protestantism. Sounds like someone is trying to toss in those that are not even Christian, simply to distort numbers.
 
that is pretty common around here. Some will throw in all people who have no church but still claim to be Christian in as “denomination” too.
 
I think that the most reasonable definition of a non-Catholic Christian is a Christian who is not a member of The Catholic Church.

(keyword there being “Christian” which to my understand does not include JW’s and Mormons as far as I know)
 
ScottishColleen said:
This was posted in another thread in the Apologetics forum:

I’m sorry, but this is a very distorted definition of Protestantism. Sounds like someone is trying to toss in those that are not even Christian, simply to distort numbers.
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Mormons aren’t Protestants, neither are the Jehovah’s Witnesses, however, every non Catholic group that began, or traces its origins to, the reformation that Luther and co. began, they are Protestants, from the Lutherans and Calvinists to the Penacostals and even those who claim no denomination, or those that claim ‘‘its a relationship not a religion’’.

God Bless

Peter
 
LDNCatholic said:
Mormons aren’t Protestants, neither are the Jehovah’s Witnesses, however, every non Catholic group that began, or traces its origins to, the reformation that Luther and co. began, they are Protestants, from the Lutherans and Calvinists to the Penacostals and even those who claim no denomination, or those that claim ‘‘its a relationship not a religion’’.

God Bless

Peter
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Sorry for the “off-topicness”, but I just cannot control myself…

That whole ‘‘its a relationship not a religion’’ deal,
don’t they realize that Jesus didn’t tell Peter that
He will build His Church upon him,
not His relationship?

😃
 
2ndGen said:
Sorry for the “off-topicness”, but I just cannot control myself…

That whole ‘‘its a relationship not a religion’’ deal,
don’t they realize that Jesus didn’t tell Peter that
He will build His Church upon him,
not His relationship?

😃
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Personally I don’t remember Jesus asking people to have a personal relationship with Him anywhere in scripture, but my knowledge is not perfect so if someone can correct me that would be welcomed.
 
I know what you guys are saying. This has been discussed before. The only thing is that I am too lazy to type Non-Roman Catholic Christians that are from a Church that is not in Union with Rome, nor is it an Orthodox denomination but includes Anglican and its derivitives. I try to use non-Catholics for all Christians not in union with Rome, but sometimes, I slip. I need simplicity.

LDN,
You are correct. No call for “personal.”
 
LDNCatholic said:
Personally I don’t remember Jesus asking people to have a personal relationship with Him anywhere in scripture, but my knowledge is not perfect so if someone can correct me that would be welcomed.
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Because the word “personal” is no where to be found in the bible, Luther had first mentioned it in the 1500’s.
 
When in doubt…


Prot·es·tant
–noun
  1. any Western Christian who is not an adherent of a Catholic, Anglican, or Eastern Church.
  2. an adherent of any of those Christian bodies that separated from the Church of Rome during the Reformation, or of any group descended from them.
  3. (originally) any of the German princes who protested against the decision of the Diet of Speyer in 1529, which had denounced the Reformation.
  4. (lowercase) a person who protests.
    –adjective 5. belonging or pertaining to Protestants or their religion.
  5. (lowercase) protesting.
 
ScottishColleen said:
I’m sorry, but this is a very distorted definition of Protestantism. Sounds like someone is trying to toss in those that are not even Christian, simply to distort numbers.
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Everybody who claims to worship Christ is certainly a Christian. The fact that they may be heretics even from certain Protestant points of view, in addition to being heretics from the Catholic point of view, doesn’t stop them from being Christians.
 
jmcrae said:
Everybody who claims to worship Christ is certainly a Christian. The fact that they may be heretics even from certain Protestant points of view, in addition to being heretics from the Catholic point of view, doesn’t stop them from being Christians.
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Didn’t Jesus establish “criteria” for Christians?

Like baptism, repentance, faith, etc…?
 
2ndGen said:
Didn’t Jesus establish “criteria” for Christians?

Like baptism, repentance, faith, etc…?
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If these are the criteria for being “Christian” then not even Protestants are “Christian.” 😉

But if you can still be considered a Christian while only believing part of what Christ taught (as the Protestants do when they pick and choose) then everyone who calls himself a Christian has to be considered a Christian.

If some partial Christianity is okay, but not all, then where do you draw the line? Is there some arbitrary amount of Christianity that one must believe, in order to be considered a Christian? 🤷
 
jmcrae said:
If these are the criteria for being “Christian” then not even Protestants are “Christian.” 😉

But if you can still be considered a Christian while only believing part of what Christ taught (as the Protestants do when they pick and choose) then everyone who calls himself a Christian has to be considered a Christian.

If some partial Christianity is okay, but not all, then where do you draw the line? Is there some arbitrary amount of Christianity that one must believe, in order to be considered a Christian? 🤷
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My definition of a Christian?

A person who believes EVERYTHING that Jesus taught.

👍

But if one only accepts “part” of the sacraments, “part” of the Bible, “part” of His teachings, “part” of HIs sayings, then one cannot be a complete Christian.
 
Are only those that are Trinitarian Christian? As that may be the boundary, otherwise Christadelphians are definitely Protestant, and arguably JWs (Mormons no way). Christadelphians are the interesting one as aside from a different view of the Trinity they are pretty much the same as Evangelicals, yet I’ve heard evangelicals refer to them as a ‘cult’
 
2ndGen said:
My definition of a Christian?

A person who believes EVERYTHING that Jesus taught.
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Well, then, that leaves out the Protestants.
👍
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But if one only accepts “part” of the sacraments, “part” of the Bible, “part” of His teachings, “part” of HIs sayings, then one cannot be a complete Christian.
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You just know you’re going to get flamed here, right? 😉
 
jmcrae said:
If these are the criteria for being “Christian” then not even Protestants are “Christian.” 😉

But if you can still be considered a Christian while only believing part of what Christ taught (as the Protestants do when they pick and choose) then everyone who calls himself a Christian has to be considered a Christian.

If some partial Christianity is okay, but not all, then where do you draw the line? Is there some arbitrary amount of Christianity that one must believe, in order to be considered a Christian? 🤷
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Actually, any person who is baptized in a Trinitarian formula is a Christian, according to the Catholic Church. If they choose to join the Catholic Church, they do not get rebaptized. Persons who need to be rebaptized when they join the Catholic Church (JW, LDS, Christadelphian) would not be considered Christian.
 
JMBNH said:
Are only those that are Trinitarian Christian? As that may be the boundary, otherwise Christadelphians are definitely Protestant, and arguably JWs (Mormons no way). Christadelphians are the interesting one as aside from a different view of the Trinity they are pretty much the same as Evangelicals, yet I’ve heard evangelicals refer to them as a ‘cult’
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Assuming that they are naming themselves after the Church at Philadelphia, they automatically annull themselves…

…The Church at Philadelphia is The Catholic Church (Peter’s Church…the one with The Keys).
 
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