Ditching meat for a vegan diet risks 'dumbing down' the next generation,

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Veganism is a fad.

Some members of the next generation may be mentally affected by it, but it will never be so prevalent as to mark an entire generation.

Human beings have eaten meat since Homo Habilis first made spearheads, if not before. Present-day worriers about “Mother Earth” and animal unhappiness are a flash in the pan, relatively speaking.

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Take a few minutes on the internet and you can find about what ever you want to support nutritional information of one’s preference.

Right now there is a lot of hype with the Paleolithic type Diet and its popularity. Basically it’s a modified form of the old Adkins Diet (Adkins died over weight , 258 lbs and had a history of heart disease) or the Protein Power diet. The high protein levels found in these diets put a lot of stress on the kidneys. A great number of bodybuilders and athletes die of kidney failure. Some of this can be attributed to steroid use, but the high protein levels is also considered a major factor.

There also seems to be a machismo stigma attached to high meat consumption (I am not saying this is your position, but it is of many individuals I know who are big advocates of a heavy protein diet. ) A lot of times there is also an associated negative stigma of those who are vegan or minimize meat intake as whimps and anorexic looking fringe wackos who maybe don’t even cook food and just eat leafy greens(of which there are some who meet this description). However, there are plenty of strong athletes who excel on a vegan diet and most people who are on such a diet are not the fringe crazies.

In my college days when I was bulking and lifting like crazy I was into a high meat and dairy consumption. I’ll spare a lengthy narrative of the problems it caused me. For may years now I have been on a primarily Vegan diet, with no dairy products. I do eat some lean meat on occasions and egg whites sparingly. I have been much healthier on this approach than I was on my earlier plan. I have had very few issues. My strength, size and body composition are still there with a lot less health concerns.

Being a Vegan doesn’t mean you are necessarily on a Healthy diet. There are plenty of Vegan food junkies who have flabby bodies, consume tons of sugar who just don’t eat meat (that may be about all they don’t eat). There are some nuts you see on the internet, too who set a bad example for others. Eating a Healthy whole food based diet is a healthy diet when you leave off the junk. I get plenty of plant based protein. Eating a Healthy Vegan diet is a lot more disciplined than just being a Vegan. I would say I am about 95% meat-free and 98% dairy free. I really don’t feel it is a big sacrifice and I don’t miss it. I will occasionally eat lean meat if I am at someone’s house and that is what they are serving, or I am eating at a restaurant that doesn’t offer an alternative. I am not really concerned if someone else wants to eat meat, that is their prerogative. If that type of diet or eating plan that person uses is satisfied with, that is a choice they make more power to them. I guess what bothers me is the stigma I often see associated Veganism and lumping all forms of them all together.
 
Too late; each successive generation has been rather dumbed down compared to their predecessive generations for quite a while already.
 
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True, i am aware of this. I pretty much follow the strict Orthodox calendar but I eat less meat that the calendar allows for. Some monks on Mt Athos are completely vegan. Others occasionally include small amounts of fish or meat, although the majority is meat free and involves more fasting and limited volume. I consume more volume I am sure than most because of my size and level of physical activity. Also, I am not s monk. The fasting calendar is very disciplined and if one just adhered to it without alteration I believe would be a very healthy diet.

In our society with all the food options, most people will deviate from this or any diet. Temptation is everywhere. I would say the potential for falling into gluttony today would be much more of a likelihood than say even 50 yrs ago, when there were fewer options.
 
Veganism isn’t any more a fad than the Paleolithic dieters. The Paleolithic diet is very faddish now.

This has been discussed at length on other threads. Man is an opportunist and will eat what is available . However, physiologically we are more adapted to plant base intake. Teeth, digestive tract etc, are much less adapted to meat. Yes, you can eat it.

From a evolutionary standpoint are bodies are more like the other great apes. About 98-99 % DNA matches. Gorillas are almost entirely vegan. Chimps and baboons about 95%.
 
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In our society with all the food options, most people will deviate from this or any diet. Temptation is everywhere. I would say the potential for falling into gluttony today would be much more of a likelihood than say even 50 yrs ago, when there were fewer options.
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Years ago, adherence to the fasting regime necessarily involved the development of a spirit of asceticism. Now, there is such a variety of foods available, one can “fast” and fall into gluttony.
 
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Yes, vegan is a fad to the same extent as paleo and the other named diets that have profused since the late 1900s. No more and no less. Vegans just are more likely sanctimonious about their food choices.

That our evolution came from beings that were largely herbivorous goes without saying. But so does the fact that eating meat is as old as human life proper. It isn’t going away, however much hand-wringing about the Earth or unhappy animals goes on.

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I would disagree about paleos . I have run across lots of pompous fanatics who believe their way or the highway attitude. Very sanctimonious
 
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From a evolutionary standpoint are bodies are more like the other great apes. About 98-99 % DNA matches. Gorillas are almost entirely vegan. Chimps and baboons about 95%.
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But so does the fact that eating meat is as old as human life proper.
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Would you be surprised to learn that 70% of protein consumed by humans worldwide comes from non-animal sources?
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ba-1966-0057.ch001
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The average reading age in the UK is 9 years. The average reading age of Sun readers is 8 years.

Does this mean that Sun readers come from generations of vegans?
 
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Interesting article
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It is amazing to see the variation by region of the percentage of protein from animal vs non-animal sources. North America is essentially the reverse of the world average. The far east, however, has over 85% coming from non-animal sources, with a little over 80% in the near-east and Africa. While these proportions do not represent strict veganism, this type of diet can hardly be called a fad.
 
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Kaninchen said:
The average reading age in the UK is 9 years. The average reading age of Sun readers is 8 years.

Does this mean that Sun readers come from generations of vegans?
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I thought early reading was a good thing…
 
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I thought early reading was a good thing…
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I think she means the reading level is that of a 9 year old and 8 year old respectively.

I do see some attempts to suggest government restricting meat because of the climate change hysteria. That is a worry and giving people another excuse for government control.

Getting rid of grazing animals.

I think it is a fair argument that the plant based diet is relatively new in the history of our species and there are serious claims that the switch to farming and plant based diets co-incided with a deterioration of health.

Jordan Peterson and his all meat diet
 
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