DIVINE Global Warming - opposing warming may oppose God

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Those who do not believe in a God who created the world are dead sure that man can destroy it. I propose that the fear of global warming has atheist/agnostic roots, while actual, externally caused warming has Divine cause.

There is certainly prophetic, scriptural evidence for Divine Global Warming in the writings of Saint Peter. He alone received many unique revelations, including our Lord’s status as Son of the Living God (Matthew 16:16-17), the Lord descending to the dead to preach the Gospel to them (1 Peter 3:18-20, 1 Peter 4:6), as well as a clear prophecy of the end of the world:
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord shall come as a thief, in which the heavens shall pass away with great violence, and the elements shall be melt ed with heat, and the earth and the works which are in it, shall be burnt up.
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2 Peter 3:12
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of the Lord, by which the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with the burning heat?
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Of course, anything which runs contrary to worldly “wisdom” will draw both the ire and fire of opposing opinion. So what? In our mania to keep cool, I am reminded of the words of Gamaliel to the Sanhedrin (parentheses mine):
Acts 5:38-39a
And now, therefore, I say to you, refrain from these men (ideas), and let them alone; for if this council or this work (warming) be of men, it will come to nought; But if it be of God, you cannot overthrow it, lest perhaps you be found even to fight against God.
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We’ll see how this plays out.
 
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It says as a thief which is used to meam unexpectedly and global warming or climate change is not a surprise.
 
OK. Who then “expected” the temperature rise? Who warned, say 50 years ago, of impending doom due to a 0.8º rise in earth’s temperature?

No one.

In 1970 it was fear of cooling! Look up “The Coming Ice Age” It was science just as today’s warming is allegedly science. Fortunately, God is not bound by man’s theories, musings and expectations.
 
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OK. Who then “expected” the temperature rise? Who warned, say 50 years ago, of impending doom due to a 0.8º rise in earth’s temperature?
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Maybe not 50 years ago, but at least for 10 years people are aware of it which makes it not a surprise.
 
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Aren’t you stretching the term “Suddenly” just a bit? What is “suddenly” to Him Who is outside of time?
 
He said it for our benefit so He would say it in a way that makes sense to us.
 
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The melting of elements sounds much hotter than the highest estimates of the magnitude of climate change have ever reached. Other descriptions in these verses also point to the melting being a sudden event that takes people by surprise. And what even are these ’elements’ mentioned here? If one of them is mercury, not much heat is required for it to melt since it is already in liquid form in regular room temperature.

I believe it is talking about a complete destruction of the whole visible universe or our solar system, at least. This is supported by the verse which says ”new heavens and a new will be created”. Knowing that there are three ’heavens’ we can speculate whether that is talking about the sky we see as blue, the sky where we see the stars or the heaven of God. I suspect the heaven of God is not the heaven to be destroyed and recreated since sin hasn’t stained it and it is in no need of destruction and recreation.

Perhaps the current climate change is allowed by God to help men realize the futility of their efforts in fighting something that God has ordained/allowed in His divine omnipotence. This in turn would lead the people to embrace the One they need to subject themselves in humility to, in order to save their souls from eternal destruction.
 
Frankly, I find it difficult to reconcile the OP with Laudato Si…which like it or not (and I know many on CAF DON’T like it) is not only magisterial, but an encyclical, and thus of very heavy magisterial weight.
 
Bishops are to convey the teachings contained within the encyclicals and so are other clergymen as well. But encyclicals are not in and of itself infallible. However, they may contain infallible teachings as well. The need for encyclicals rises from an urgent need to adress a common issue. Encyclicals provide for this purpose some roadsigns for teaching and dialogue within the Church.
 
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OK. Who then “expected” the temperature rise? Who warned, say 50 years ago, of impending doom due to a 0.8º rise in earth’s temperature?

No one.

In 1970 it was fear of cooling! Look up “The Coming Ice Age” It was science just as today’s warming is allegedly science. Fortunately, God is not bound by man’s theories, musings and expectations.
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The majority of climate scientists in 1970 still held that the climate was warming, not cooling, according to the volume of papers published in scientific journals for each position. There was less consensus than today, true. However, the myth that everyone thought the world is cooling comes from a pop magazine cover which covered the cooling position.
 
Anyway, linking Global Waming to some sort of prophecy we aren’t supposed to oppose is just misguided. We could probably do the same with pretty much any position if we selectively quoted what we wanted.

Have we moved now from denial to just saying it’s ordained in a prophetic way?
 
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I think this is highly confused thinking.
  1. God’s warning = /= God’s will. God warns about hell but he doesn’t will hell. He wills the complete opposite. By definition, if God warns against something, then he wills against it.
  2. We’re not suppose to put God to the test. God knows the day and the hour of a person’s personal judgment and of the Final Judgment, but we’re still obligated to take care of ourselves and to take care of the people around us. So abandoning all concern of climate change because “God is in charge” commits three faults, A) it puts God to the test, B) it abandons both personal responsibility and societal responsibility, and C) it is sloth. I am grateful that people did not adopt the same attitude towards the Cold War. People were pro-active in trying to prevent such an escalation from occurring.
 
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God gave us this world. Leave it to mankind to destroy it through global warming.
 
I think so many people are climate alarmists because if you don’t believe in a god or an afterlife, then of course you’re going to be scared by the idea of Earth being destroyed.
 
I think this is a very dangerous line of thinking wherein a man-made destruction of an entire planet through deforestation, pollution, etc… is justified by pointing to the Bible and the Divine. It is also quite dangerous spiritually since it operates on the principle of forcing God’s hand, and falls in line with the same though processes (if such things can even be considered thought processes) of those people who actively support a war between the U.S and Russia, or Israel and Iran, because they think when that happens Jesus will appear to rapture them to Heaven. It endangers the lives of people by ignoring the drowning cities, burning continent (Australia), and many other examples of disasters wrought either partially or totally by man-caused changes to the climate. It is distressing that climate deniers have evolved from attempting to debunk scientific research to attempting to justify the continued destruction and pollution of the Earth’s forests, seas, and environment using God and the Bible.

Stuff like this is one of the reasons why many are abandoning religion, not the “unfaithfulness of the modern world”. When the youth see religious people use the Bible to defend doing nothing to prevent disasters like Australia’s, in the face of all scientific evidence, or actively support starting a war because they think it’ll lead to the end of the world, they are naturally not going to be too hyped about Christianity and religion in general.
 
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I think this is a very dangerous line of thinking wherein a man-made destruction of an entire planet through deforestation, pollution, etc… is justified by pointing to the Bible and the Divine.
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I’m really not sure what the OP is trying to say, but I didn’t get the same impression about it as you apparently did.
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It is also quite dangerous spiritually since it operates on the principle of forcing God’s hand, and falls in line with the same though processes (if such things can even be considered thought processes) of those people who actively support a war between the U.S and Russia, or Israel and Iran, because they think when that happens Jesus will appear
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2 Peter 3 is actually saying the opposite of this ^…so, I didn’t necessarily think that the OP was saying what you think he might be saying, but then again, IDK what the OP is getting at. But in general, I think you have a valid point about how some people view religions.
 
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