Divine justice?

[ericc]

I already have defined what justice is: The ability to distinguish right from wrong. What is right? Something that you and other agree upon.

And how does one know what is right or wrong? Consensus doesn’t mean both are right/wrong. It only means both have agreement and whether both of them are right or wrong remains to be determined.

Yes, but we gather the knowledge that a teacher teaches from the scratch. We couldn’t gather the knowledge if we really didn’t have the ability to understand.

Having ability to learn is different from having the knowledge. When we started learning Physics or Chemistry in high school, we started with zero knowledge of the subjects. But we learn.

What I am trying to say is that the Divine Justice (justice from God point of view) shouldn’t be different from justice (justice from our point of view) if we can comprehend Divine Justice.

You are trying to tell us

1. your brand of justice should not be different from Divine Justice?
2. You could comprehend Divine Justice without knowing what it is first?

How? The logic simply does not flow.

Could a cow understand logic? No. Could a human understand logic? yes. Therefore it is useless to try to teach logic to a cow.

Did you know Physics/Biology/Chemistry before the teacher taught you? You didn’t know of course but you could learn. So without the messenger teaching Divine Justice , you couldn’t have known what he is going to teach you either. But you could learn.

If you wish to hold on to your position that it is possible to know of something without first learning it, I’d leave you at that. You convince no one of anything about your position except that you can hold an illogical position with persistency.

 

[STT]

And how does one know what is right or wrong? Consensus doesn’t mean both are right/wrong. It only means both have agreement and whether both of them are right or wrong remains to be determined.

Mutual agreement is all which is matter is absence of something which can make a difference, such as the meaning as it is discussed in another thread.

Having ability to learn is different from having the knowledge.

Yes, that I agree.

When we started learning Physics or Chemistry in high school, we started with zero knowledge of the subjects. But we learn.

Yes, that is possible because we have ability to learn.

You are trying to tell us

1. your brand of justice should not be different from Divine Justice?
2. You could comprehend Divine Justice without knowing what it is first?

How? The logic simply does not flow.

God based on a principle knows what justice is. What that principle is is subject to discussion but I have no doubt that that has to be meaning. What I am arguing is that our justice could be different from Divine Justice if we strive on something but meaning. Unfortunately we don’t know what meaning is otherwise we could establish our justice which should be Divine Justice.

Did you know Physics/Biology/Chemistry before the teacher taught you? You didn’t know of course but you could learn. So without the messenger teaching Divine Justice , you couldn’t have known what he is going to teach you either. But you could learn.

Yes, we learn these topics because we have ability to learn them. Teaching would be useless if we don’t have the ability to learn. Moreover, teaching only facilitates the process of learning. We at the end made all discoveries on these topics without any Divine Intervention. Learning from scratch is hard and pointless and that is why we teach things to our offspring.

If you wish to hold on to your position that it is possible to know of something without first learning it, I’d leave you at that. You convince no one of anything about your position except that you can hold an illogical position with persistency.

We have the ability to create and discover. Could you deny that?