Divorced Catholics cheer Pope Francis' views on modern family

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adamhovey1988 said:
jimmyakin.com/2016/04/the-popes-new-document-on-marriage-12-things-to-know-and-share.html#comment-185250 this one is better
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The document thus envisions administering sacramental absolution and holy Communion to those living in objectively sinful situations who are not mortally culpable for their actions due to various cognitive or psychological conditions.
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Since they are not mortally culpable, they could be validly absolved in confession and, being in the state of grace, they could in principle receive Communion.
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:confused::confused::confused:

If they are not mortally culpable, what is the need for confession in the first place before receiving Communion? 🤷
 
gilliam said:
Divorced Catholics cheer Pope Francis’ views on modern family cnn.it/1NeXaxq
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They have really little reason too. Their irregular unions are a scandal for the faithful and will remain so. All this “discernment” thing is supposed to take place in the confessional.
 
Micosil said:
:confused::confused::confused:

If they are not mortally culpable, what is the need for confession in the first place before receiving Communion? 🤷
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Well, no one can know for sure he(she) is not mortally culpable.
 
JurisPrudens said:
They have really little reason too. Their irregular unions are a scandal for the faithful and will remain so. All this “discernment” thing is supposed to take place in the confessional.
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Well we know liberal media and ‘catholics’ have axes to grind in these issues so it’s to be expected. Fr. Z gives a good rundown here of all the misleading headlines lol…

wdtprs.com/blog/2016/04/gathering-the-msms-headlines-about-amorislaetitia/

They are not really interested in the teachings of Jesus but their own political ideology. So they are not going to consider these words anyway…
In order to avoid all misunderstanding, I would point out that in no way must the Church desist from proposing the full ideal of marriage, God’s plan in all its grandeur. . . .
A lukewarm attitude, any kind of relativism, or an undue reticence in proposing that ideal, would be a lack of fidelity to the Gospel and also of love on the part of the Church for young people themselves.
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To show understanding in the face of exceptional situations never implies dimming the light of the fuller ideal, or proposing less than what Jesus offers to the human being
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Naturally, if someone flaunts an objective sin as if it were part of the Christian ideal, or wants to impose something other than what the Church teaches, he or she can in no way presume to teach or preach to others; this is a case of something which separates from the community (cf. Mt 18:17).
Such a person needs to listen once more to the Gospel message and its call to conversion.
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pnewton said:
No, not for sure, but the tribunal process never claimed to know “for sure” if a marriage was valid. Certainty is not the issue.
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If anyone has doubts about whether he is in state of grace or not, he is supposed to confess it.
 
JurisPrudens said:
If anyone has doubts about whether he is in state of grace or not, he is supposed to confess it.
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I do not understand what this means. You stated no one can no for sure if they are morally culpable. One does not confess those things that one does not believe to be sin just because outsiders may think there is sin. Yes, if one is unsure, then there is need for confession. If one thinks there is not sin, there is not.
 
Okay, I can understand that someone living in an objectively immoral situation may yet not be personally culpable of mortal sin. What I cannot understand is how a person can have a valid second marriage if a valid first marriage already exists. Lack of culpability does not validate a marriage nor dissolve a marriage.

If a person lives in an invalid marriage with no possibility of nullity of a prior marriage, do they and their confessor simply ignore the fact of the prior valid marriage?
 
Does anyone know of any studies on the practices of divorced Catholics? I wonder, how many divorced and remarried Catholics still go to Mass and abstain from Communion? How many take Communion anyway, how many of left the Church, etc?
 
carefullytread said:
Does anyone know of any studies on the practices of divorced Catholics? I wonder, how many divorced and remarried Catholics still go to Mass and abstain from Communion? How many take Communion anyway, how many of left the Church, etc?
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I don’t have any statistics, just an anecdote. My aunt refrained from communion for decades after a second marriage following a failed first marriage. Nothing in her relationship to her parish changed at all except that she did not receive communion. Her 2nd husband became impotent late in life making marital relations impossible. At that point she again went to confession and communion.
 
JurisPrudens said:
They have really little reason too. Their irregular unions are a scandal for the faithful and will remain so. All this “discernment” thing is supposed to take place in the confessional.
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But if the priest absolves a couple and then the church sees them receive the Eucharist, and then go home to live as a husband and wife, how will this not lead to scandal? Won’t other divorce and remarried couples feel envious that their sins were not forgiven? Or to avoid the scandal of favoritism, does the priest decide to forgive everyone in that situation?
 
MLowe75 said:
But if the priest absolves a couple and then the church sees them receive the Eucharist, and then go home to live as a husband and wife, how will this not lead to scandal? Won’t other divorce and remarried couples feel envious that their sins were not forgiven? Or to avoid the scandal of favoritism, does the priest decide to forgive everyone in that situation?
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True. I fail to see how desecration of the Eucharist is pastoral or merciful…
 
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