Divorced Catholics, LGBT ‘Embraced’ at First-in-Nation Synod in San Diego

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The Diocese of San Diego (CAF’s home diocese) recently convened it’s first Synod since 1976 to discuss Marriage and Family. They are wrapping up their work and preparing to make proposals to San Diego’s Bishop Robert McElroy.Some of the proposals being made: Marriage and family classes for all young Catholics, not just engaged couples; recognizing weddings, anniversaries and births in church bulletins or announcements from the pulpit; a welcoming approach to unmarried couples, whether straight or LGBT; exploring possible avenues for divorced and remarried Catholics to receive the Eucharist and other sacraments.
“Many Catholics tend to think of our moral life as being rule-oriented,” McElroy said. “Rules are important primarily as a check on rationalization. The real core of Catholic teaching is and always was a decision of conscience.”
“The Catholic Church long has taught that you must follow your conscience, even if it is contrary to church teachings,” McElroy said.
McElroy said: “Our rules are not universalized in that they are meant to be guides in a great majority of circumstances.”
Conscience takes into account a person’s circumstances and their belief that “God is asking me to do the opposite” of church teachings, he said. “It’s in major decisions in our lives that conscience can be helpful.”
The danger in conscience-based decisions is that it’s too easy to rationalize what someone wanted to do from the beginning, McElroy said.
timesofsandiego.com/life/2016/10/30/divorced-catholics-lgbt-embraced-at-first-in-nation-synod/
 
“The Catholic Church long has taught that you must follow your conscience, even if it is contrary to church teachings,” McElroy said.
I’m glad this idea is getting more traction. I’m tired of getting flack from other catholics saying that my views that war is awesome because it helps pay my bills and that we need to execute way more criminals makes me a bad Catholic. I’m just following my conscience here, guys.
 
I’m glad this idea is getting more traction. I’m tired of getting flack from other catholics saying that my views that war is awesome because it helps pay my bills and that we need to execute way more criminals makes me a bad Catholic. I’m just following my conscience here, guys.
Thank you for showing the absurdity of such a position. Statements like that made by the bishop make absolutely no sense to me. It also doesn’t help that numerous priests and bishops have written articles over the past couple of years stating the exact opposite of the bishop, so many Catholics don’t know what to believe. If one’s conscience contradicts Church teaching, then perhaps one ought to reexamine one’s conscience because it is obviously malformed. If we are to obey our conscience over the Church, we are essentially putting ourselves before God. Because if the Church is teaching the teachings of God, then I would be obeying my own will rather than God’s will if it contradicts the Church. It just doesn’t make sense to advise such a course.
 
It sounds like he wants to make the parishes in his diocese more welcoming and family friendly. Welcoming people includes broken people. No need to bring out the pitch forks.
 
I’m glad this idea is getting more traction. I’m tired of getting flack from other catholics saying that my views that war is awesome because it helps pay my bills and that we need to execute way more criminals makes me a bad Catholic. I’m just following my conscience here, guys.
Admittedly that’s why I highlighted that particular passage. I found it a very odd thing for the Catholic bishop to be saying in the context he was saying so.

The Union Tribune also has a partially behind paywall article on the subject, and their includes some responses that are a bit more critical of the Bishop than the Times article.

sandiegouniontribune.com/lifestyle/people/sd-me-catholic-family-20161018-htmlstory.html

Such as Thomas McKenna from Catholic Action for Faith and Families.
 
I have said this in other posts. Just because a priest, Bishop or even the Pope says so, it doesn’t mean they are always right. Even Our Lady of Fátima showed to Lucia how was hell and she saw priests, Bishops and even Popes burning in hell.
 
I’m glad this idea is getting more traction. I’m tired of getting flack from other catholics saying that my views that war is awesome because it helps pay my bills and that we need to execute way more criminals makes me a bad Catholic. I’m just following my conscience here, guys.
I’m done with being told that I can’t have sex with 20 people in three nights for the fun of it, or go clown hunting on Halloween. I can do what I want, no matter what the Instituationla Chruch says. They don’t have my circumstances. Anyways who are they to judge. They must be shudderscreamin a low voice, as if telling a ghost story traditionalists…

If you think I went overboard, feel free to report me. But… gee, that’s not a high point in San Diego’s Archdiocesan history.
 
The Diocese of San Diego (CAF’s home diocese) recently convened it’s first Synod since 1976 to discuss Marriage and Family. They are wrapping up their work and preparing to make proposals to San Diego’s Bishop Robert McElroy.Some of the proposals being made: Marriage and family classes for all young Catholics, not just engaged couples; recognizing weddings, anniversaries and births in church bulletins or announcements from the pulpit; a welcoming approach to unmarried couples, whether straight or LGBT; exploring possible avenues for divorced and remarried Catholics to receive the Eucharist and other sacraments.

timesofsandiego.com/life/2016/10/30/divorced-catholics-lgbt-embraced-at-first-in-nation-synod/
I’m glad this idea is getting more traction. I’m tired of getting flack from other catholics saying that my views that war is awesome because it helps pay my bills and that we need to execute way more criminals makes me a bad Catholic. I’m just following my conscience here, guys
I’m done with being told that I can’t have sex with 20 people in three nights for the fun of it, or go clown hunting on Halloween. I can do what I want, no matter what the Instituationla Chruch says. They don’t have my circumstances. Anyways who are they to judge. They must be shudderscreamin a low voice, as if telling a ghost story traditionalists…

If you think I went overboard, feel free to report me. But… gee, that’s not a high point in San Diego’s Archdiocesan history.
 
I think it would be a worth endeavor to ask the Bishop if his statement was misreported or he misspoke.

The article quotes the bishop:
The Catholic Church long has taught that you must follow your conscience, even if it is contrary to church teachings, McElroy said.
From the CCC, emphasis is mine:
2039 Ministries should be exercised in a spirit of fraternal service and dedication to the Church, in the name of the Lord. At the same time the conscience of each person should avoid confining itself to individualistic considerations in its moral judgments of the person’s own acts. As far as possible conscience should take account of the good of all, as expressed in the moral law, natural and revealed, and consequently in the law of the Church and in the authoritative teaching of the Magisterium on moral questions. Personal conscience and reason should not be set in opposition to the moral law or the Magisterium of the Church.
I would also appreciate someone setting me straight if I am missing something
 
I think it would be a worth endeavor to ask the Bishop if his statement was misreported or he misspoke.

The article quotes the bishop:

From the CCC, emphasis is mine:

I would also appreciate someone setting me straight if I am missing something
Take comfort.

The good Bishop’s statements are all single sentence quotes taken out of any context. What else do we expect from the media?

Although I don’t know the context, I rather strongly suspect that the Bishop was articulating Catholic teaching, and the media merely cherry-picked certain sentences.
 
Take comfort.

The good Bishop’s statements are all single sentence quotes taken out of any context. What else do we expect from the media?

Although I don’t know the context, I rather strongly suspect that the Bishop was articulating Catholic teaching, and the media merely cherry-picked certain sentences.
Thank you Padre!
 
Take comfort.

The good Bishop’s statements are all single sentence quotes taken out of any context. What else do we expect from the media?

Although I don’t know the context, I rather strongly suspect that the Bishop was articulating Catholic teaching, and the media merely cherry-picked certain sentences.
Amen to all that
 
Take comfort.

The good Bishop’s statements are all single sentence quotes taken out of any context. What else do we expect from the media?

Although I don’t know the context, I rather strongly suspect that the Bishop was articulating Catholic teaching, and the media merely cherry-picked certain sentences.
I’ll take comfort when the rest of the statement is shown and the cherry picking is clear.
 
Exactly.
I have said this in other posts. Just because a priest, Bishop or even the Pope says so, it doesn’t mean they are always right. Even Our Lady of Fátima showed to Lucia how was hell and she saw priests, Bishops and even Popes burning in hell.
 
Even Our Lady of Fátima showed to Lucia how was hell and she saw priests, Bishops and even Popes burning in hell.
No. What you relate is not correct at all, based on Lucia’s memoirs.
 
The following is an interview that His Excellency, the Bishop of San Diego, gave to his diocesan paper.

It gives the sense that the Diocese of San Diego – and the Catholic Answers Forum – is exceptionally blessed to have such an excellent bishop, who is very much of the mind of Pope Francis.

*‘How to Make Our Parishes Magnets for Family Life’

Bishop Robert W. McElroy reflects on the diocese-wide discussions about how to strengthen Catholic families in the San Diego area — known formally as a synod — and why they are needed now more than ever.

Question: How did the idea for a synod at the San Diego Diocese come about?

Answer: There is no more important topic for living out the Gospel of Jesus Christ than the area of marriage and family life. It’s for that reason that Pope Francis asked the bishops of the world to collaborate with him in a process called a synod … To reflect on how do we make the Gospel of Jesus Christ present in family life and marriage in today’s culture where there are so many obstacles to living out that vision.

The fruit of their work was a document called “Joy of Love.” It’s about how we, in our family life, attempt to be Christ-like, but in a realistic way.

The synod here in the Diocese of San Diego was an effort to take the lay leadership, the priests, the sisters and brothers, and sit down together, and in some depth reflect on this: In light of what the pope said in “Joy of Love,” how do we make this real here? What are the particular challenges we face? What are the particular opportunities that we have?

How do we bring the Gospel into families where there are great stressors, where families are fragmented, to single parents?

How do we deal with those who are divorced and feel alienated from the life of the Church? How do we say to them: “Christ is calling you. The Church is calling you to be part of us.”

How do we bring spirituality into family life? It’s a very grave challenge. Many young parents don’t feel easy praying with their young kids.

How do we reach out to young couples and say to them: “Being married in the Church is a wonderful celebration of the love and permanent commitment you’re making. And we invite you to take that step.”

The synod in San Diego is an effort to address those very questions.…What steps do we need to take, in the coming years, to make marriage more what we all know it should be and our faith tells us it can be?

Q: How do the diocese’s unique cultures influence the deliberations?

A: The Diocese of San Diego is very, very diverse culturally, ethnically, racially. And for that reason, our diverse population brings richness to the life of our parishes, our Masses, and our school communities. And that’s a challenge on one level but on another, it’s a real opportunity.

What the challenge of our synod has been is to try to find strategies to seize upon the genius of marriage and family life which is in each culture. … Each of them points to the reality of Christian marriage and how it can be lived out.

We want all of our communities to contribute their genius on family life, the part of their culture that emphasizes the permanence, the depth, the unconditional commitment, the sacrifices, the compassion, the “being there” for people.

Q: As you have listened to some of the deliberations, what have you discovered?

A: One of the challenges we have here and throughout the United States is that the support from extended families is not there for many families. As a result, one of the challenges we have in our parishes is how to create sustaining networks of support. How to help young married couples understand that when their first major fight comes, it’s not a crisis, it’s simply a part of married life.

In most dioceses in the U.S., being a single-parent family would mean someone not married to begin with, or someone who is divorced or whose spouse has died. Our delegates identified two more elements here in San Diego. One is when one of the parents is deployed. That makes them single for a period of time, putting demands on them. How do we, in the Church, help them?

The other is deportation, when a husband or wife has been deported.

Those elements make us different and give us specific challenges.

Q: How did the delegates define “family”?

A: The group working on how to bring spiritual depth to family life raised the issue of inclusion. What they said is that we really need our marriage and family outreach to stress that families are all-inclusive. They include single people, they include gay and lesbian people, they include the homeless, the marginalized. They include everyone. They are all part of our families.

And thus, when we talk about the spirituality of family life, it has to convey very powerfully the fact that Christ calls to each and every one of us and invites us to be part of this family, which is the Church, but also to be a part of family life, the families which we’re born into and those created in our lifetimes.

Q: In general, what do you see as the outcome of the synod?

A: We’re hoping that the synod will point us in the right direction: How to make parishes magnets for family life, which speak to people’s hearts and souls about what Christian family life can be.*
thesoutherncross.org/headline2.asp
 
The following is an interview that His Excellency, the Bishop of San Diego, gave to his diocesan paper.

It gives the sense that the Diocese of San Diego – and the Catholic Answers Forum – is exceptionally blessed to have such an excellent bishop, who is very much of the mind of Pope Francis.

*‘How to Make Our Parishes Magnets for Family Life’

Bishop Robert W. McElroy reflects on the diocese-wide discussions about how to strengthen Catholic families in the San Diego area — known formally as a synod — and why they are needed now more than ever.

Question: How did the idea for a synod at the San Diego Diocese come about?

Answer: There is no more important topic for living out the Gospel of Jesus Christ than the area of marriage and family life. It’s for that reason that Pope Francis asked the bishops of the world to collaborate with him in a process called a synod … To reflect on how do we make the Gospel of Jesus Christ present in family life and marriage in today’s culture where there are so many obstacles to living out that vision.

The fruit of their work was a document called “Joy of Love.” It’s about how we, in our family life, attempt to be Christ-like, but in a realistic way.

The synod here in the Diocese of San Diego was an effort to take the lay leadership, the priests, the sisters and brothers, and sit down together, and in some depth reflect on this: In light of what the pope said in “Joy of Love,” how do we make this real here? What are the particular challenges we face? What are the particular opportunities that we have?

How do we bring the Gospel into families where there are great stressors, where families are fragmented, to single parents?

How do we deal with those who are divorced and feel alienated from the life of the Church? How do we say to them: “Christ is calling you. The Church is calling you to be part of us.”

How do we bring spirituality into family life? It’s a very grave challenge. Many young parents don’t feel easy praying with their young kids.

How do we reach out to young couples and say to them: “Being married in the Church is a wonderful celebration of the love and permanent commitment you’re making. And we invite you to take that step.”

The synod in San Diego is an effort to address those very questions.…What steps do we need to take, in the coming years, to make marriage more what we all know it should be and our faith tells us it can be?

Q: How do the diocese’s unique cultures influence the deliberations?

A: The Diocese of San Diego is very, very diverse culturally, ethnically, racially. And for that reason, our diverse population brings richness to the life of our parishes, our Masses, and our school communities. And that’s a challenge on one level but on another, it’s a real opportunity.

What the challenge of our synod has been is to try to find strategies to seize upon the genius of marriage and family life which is in each culture. … Each of them points to the reality of Christian marriage and how it can be lived out.

We want all of our communities to contribute their genius on family life, the part of their culture that emphasizes the permanence, the depth, the unconditional commitment, the sacrifices, the compassion, the “being there” for people.

Q: As you have listened to some of the deliberations, what have you discovered?

A: One of the challenges we have here and throughout the United States is that the support from extended families is not there for many families. As a result, one of the challenges we have in our parishes is how to create sustaining networks of support. How to help young married couples understand that when their first major fight comes, it’s not a crisis, it’s simply a part of married life.

In most dioceses in the U.S., being a single-parent family would mean someone not married to begin with, or someone who is divorced or whose spouse has died. Our delegates identified two more elements here in San Diego. One is when one of the parents is deployed. That makes them single for a period of time, putting demands on them. How do we, in the Church, help them?

The other is deportation, when a husband or wife has been deported.

Those elements make us different and give us specific challenges.

Q: How did the delegates define “family”?

A: The group working on how to bring spiritual depth to family life raised the issue of inclusion. What they said is that we really need our marriage and family outreach to stress that families are all-inclusive. They include single people, they include gay and lesbian people, they include the homeless, the marginalized. They include everyone. They are all part of our families.

And thus, when we talk about the spirituality of family life, it has to convey very powerfully the fact that Christ calls to each and every one of us and invites us to be part of this family, which is the Church, but also to be a part of family life, the families which we’re born into and those created in our lifetimes.

Q: In general, what do you see as the outcome of the synod?

A: We’re hoping that the synod will point us in the right direction: How to make parishes magnets for family life, which speak to people’s hearts and souls about what Christian family life can be.*
thesoutherncross.org/headline2.asp
Notice the lack of heresy in here. Media at it again? God help them
 
Notice the lack of heresy in here. Media at it again? God help them
I have no comprehension of what you are trying to say.

If you are trying to accuse this media of being biased, this interview was conducted by the official newspaper of the Diocese of San Diego, which you can find here: thesoutherncross.org

I suggest, as a young teenager, that you sit down and read;
  1. Vatican II’s Decree on Ecumenism, Unitatis Redintegratio
    vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html
  2. Pope Saint John Paul II’s encyclical on ecumenism, Ut Unum Sint
    w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25051995_ut-unum-sint.html
  3. The Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism
    vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_25031993_principles-and-norms-on-ecumenism_en.html
  4. From Conflict to Communion, which is the document by the Joint Commission on Catholic-Lutheran Dialogue…it was the document that brought both Kurt Koch and Gerhard Müller to Rome, at the call of Pope Benedict XVI…and prompted their elevation to the cardinalate.
    vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/lutheran-fed-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_2013_dal-conflitto-alla-comunione_en.html
Frankly, I have encountered the word “heresy” on this website FAR more while I have been here than I have in all my years in the academy. Because it is an abandoned term. We also don’t have witch trials anymore, either.

We live after Vatican II. Terms like those that one encounters people using here in this forum are assuredly not used by the Holy Father, by the dicasteries of the Holy See – including the CDF! – nor are they going to be used by bishops or members of the theological community. They haven’t been used there in a very long time…thankfully.

They have no absolutely no place in the age of dialogue. We live in a very different era.

One of my favorite passages which appears in From Conflict to Communion is:
238. Catholics and Lutherans realize that they and the communities in which they live out their faith belong to the one body of Christ. The awareness is dawning on Lutherans and Catholics that the struggle of the sixteenth century is over. The reasons for mutually condemning each other’s faith have fallen by the wayside.
I remember when then Cardinal Ratzinger – it was in the 1980s or 1990s; the decades run together at my age – said that the CDF does not condemn anyone anymore. Indeed. That belongs to ages that are now dead and buried. It may find that someone’s teaching is not conformed to the thought of the Church but it does not denounce them as “heretics.” They are advised to alter their position or withdraw their publication…at most.

It’s use in the theological community today is to historical references or, as I might say to my new students who knew very little theology, “if you complete that phrase, you would be in material heresy”…it was a way to get them to stop in mid sentence.

As the term is used in the catechism and in canon law, it properly speaking applies to Catholics…not to non-Catholics

Of course the bishop of San Diego is not going to be speaking of “heresy.”

If, on the other hand, you think the other media treatment was putting words into the bishop’s mouth that were not there, I think His Excellency speaks quite eloquently about the implementation of Amoris Laetitia and dealing with real life in a realistic way…about single parent families and “the families which we’re born into and those created in our lifetimes”. He speaks of the need for an “all inclusive” inclusion of everyone he list…he says it brilliantly as well as concisely.

*The group working on how to bring spiritual depth to family life raised the issue of inclusion. What they said is that we really need our marriage and family outreach to stress that families are all-inclusive. They include single people, they include gay and lesbian people, they include the homeless, the marginalized. They include everyone. They are all part of our families.

And thus, when we talk about the spirituality of family life, it has to convey very powerfully the fact that Christ calls to each and every one of us and invites us to be part of this family, which is the Church, but also to be a part of family life, the families which we’re born into and those created in our lifetimes.*
 
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