OK, so what Jewish practices were retained by Native Americans?
I don’t think you know very much about genetics.The line of reasoning I keep hearing runs like this. There is a flu epidemic in a city therefor everyone in the city must have the flu. Its not logically sound.
How many came? If it was a large enough sample, the marker should ahve been present. If the marker was a common one, say present in 80% or more, it would have been found. How many came and how prevelant was the marker?
We know that Lehi and his associates in the Book of Mormon were Israelites, and we know a great deal about the DNA lineages of living people whose ancestors were Israelites reaching back 2600 years ago. Israelite DNA lineages belong to the same family groups found in European populations: the H, I, J, K, N, T, U, V, W and X groups. Essentially all Europeans and Israelites possess one of these lineages. In fact, other Middle Eastern populations such as the Syrians, Egyptians, Lebanese and other Arabic groups have similar mitochondrial DNA lineages belonging to these families. There is a smattering (<0.4%) of lineages in American Indian populations that are clearly, exclusively of European origin, most probably from Spain rather than from the Middle East. However, scientists justifiably assume that these lineages represent post-Columbus intermixing. The lineages in question are most common in North American tribes that had the greatest impact with Europeans and are very uncommon in Mesoamerica, which FARMS claims is the only "plausible" site for the Book of Mormon. In addition, European mitochondrial lineages are extremely rare in Polynesia.
If the number of Israelites traveling to the New World was as big as it would have had to be, then at least SOME of "the guys" would have had "the marker."Primary? How many groups came over? Also, how many were there? Isreal had 12 sons, so a family may be bigger than two adults and 2.5 children.
That is quite the claim. But as I’ve sad before DNA is a fairly new science. When peoples jobs are on the line to show evidence that they can do cool stuff with what hey do I tend to question the validity of their work. Finding a marker or not is a st right forward concept. How long how many people lived where on DNA alone I guess I’m just not that religious.
But if these people are the principal ancestors of all Native Americans as the BoM claims, then their DNA would be easily identified, because if they were the principal ancestors their DNA would be everywhere. It wouldn’t be rare. If I am following your reasoning, since there is no Middle Eastern DNA to be found among Native Americans and very little DNA that is not of Asian origin, it is most likely the Lehi and the gang were from Northern Asia, since that is the most common DNA among Native Americans. Which, again, isn’t anywhere near compatible with the LDS mythology.
Oh my goodness. So all genetic researchers are making things up to discredit the LDS church? Do you trust the National Geographic Society?
3 known fathers in the primary groups (Mulek came latter, but we have no information as to how many people he had with him or even much reason to assume where they came from genetically.)
I’m saying that the “sciance” of concluding who lived where and other such details based solely on DNA is very questionable.
The pen is mightier than the sword, unless you are facing a sword with nothing but a pen. The ability to write would not keep them safe from bows, arrows, axes, etc.
Lehi and company known jewish gene marker free.
Explain why, please.
head to head at 30 vs a million yes.
well luckily we don’t have to accept only DNA, we have linguistics, cultural anthropology, archaeological evidence. we know how when and where the american continents were populated and by whom. no hebrews! saying that BoM is true because Joseph smith said so is even more questionable. praying with the sincere hope that it’s true as fervently as you can and interpreting whatever feelings you may then have as a spiritual revelation confirming it is little better. look the BoM is as easy to disprove from what it DOESN’T say as what it does. it simply does not describe any pre-columbian civilization.
Small pox and the new toys killed.
Um lets see. Oh yeah we’ve only known that there was DNA for just over 100 years. We still have not ID a lot of major factors relating to disease, but somehow we know how many generations back a person moved out of town. To assume that sort of information is stored in DNA and we can retrieve it accurately is a leap of faith not a scientific project. I’m fine with faith I think ti is great, but call it what it is.
This post answers one question I had, namely, how would Mormons responded now that DNA could prove Joseph Smith right, or give strong evidence that he made everything up. Denial of the scientific validity of DNA.