DNA Vs Mormonism

[MelanieAnne]

Remember the Mormon Father/God also has a body, a physical body of flesh and bone. Hence, He must, by Mormon definition, be a separate person from Jesus, who also has a body of flesh and bone.

So while we scratch our heads and look for a heresy in the 1st Century AD that looks like Mormonism to confirm the whole “apostasy” theory, we can restrict the search to polytheistic ones, since Mormons have 3 Gods. Maybe the problem is that we’re looking at the wrong heresies

 

[xixxvmcm85]

no I’m saying that you could correctly address any branch of government as government.

But none of those individual branches of government encompass all what it means to be “The Government” in of themselves. They are all useless without the others.

Notice the difference in that model of deity with that of the Catholic Church. There are not three separate Gods that when functioning in unison collectively make God, each and every person of the trinity is fully God.

This can be reconciled with the Judaic beliefs in monotheism whereas the polytheism (or possibly henotheism) of the LDS faith is at odds with it.

 

[ibkc]

Well then in that case one would think Joseph Smith would have “done a better job” however his JST Inspired Version has THE EXACT SAME CANON as the Protestant Bible (which itself came from the Catholic Ecumenical Councils of both Hippo and Trent).

If the Catholic Church missed any books or included erroneous ones, then why doesn’t the JST demonstrate that by having a UNIQUE CANON?

Here is the canon for the Joseph Smith “Inspired Translation” which is found in the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints:

centerplace.org/hs/iv/default.htm

This is a question that bears repeating. Indeed, I have asked it several times now. If Joe Smith was the new prophet to restore a badly damaged church, why do Mormons use the Catholic Bible? The answers I have been given aren’t really very enlightening. If JS was really ‘all that’ he would at least have had some answers to basic questions.

 

[teancum79]

This is a question that bears repeating. Indeed, I have asked it several times now. If Joe Smith was the new prophet to restore a badly damaged church, why do Mormons use the Catholic Bible? The answers I have been given aren’t really very enlightening. If JS was really ‘all that’ he would at least have had some answers to basic questions.

Wow like there no information at all in the BOM POGP or D&C?

 

[xixxvmcm85]

Wow like there no information at all in the BOM POGP or D&C?

We’re not asking about the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, or Doctrine and Covenants unless those sources of scriptures have Jewish books that should have been canonized in the Bible but were not.

If the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were to include books such as “The Gospel According to St. Thomas” or “The Acts of Tecla” in their Biblical canon, then this would be a moot point (or if the LDS were to not accept the Bible at all even), but since the LDS church uses the same canon as Protestants (not version but canon) that came ultimately from the Catholic church, that still leaves you with that sticky contradiction:

Just how corrupt and apostasized was the Catholic church for it to warrant the LDS church to trust it’s products?

 

[Benadam]

It would take a very long time to write every little scripture that relates to the issue, but I can’t think of a single reason for Christ to talk to himself at length and speak of himself as though he where not himself. Which is the version of the trinity that both catholic and protestants have tried time and time again to convince me is the nature of God.

teancum, human reason isn’t able to know God as a trinity without the aid of divine revelation. Human reason is able to know God as One. This is because to us the Divine Persons are identicle. They are distinct only to themselves. The Father eternally generates Cognizance of Himself. " Only the Son knows the Father". This is the internal dialogue of God. Being made in His image we too have a constant internal dialogue. This dialogue that Jesus enjoyed with His Father was continual as well. The prayer you cited was a part of that dialogue Jesus wanted us to know about.

 

[zaffiroborant]

This can be reconciled with the Judaic beliefs in monotheism whereas the polytheism (or possibly henotheism) of the LDS faith is at odds with it.

Ya that. So far the discussion has only been concerned with the Godhead that the LDS worship. After this conversation is wrapped up there’s a whole universe of Gods out there to talk about.

 

[xixxvmcm85]

Ya that. So far the discussion has only been concerned with the Godhead that the LDS worship. After this conversation is wrapped up there’s a whole universe of Gods out there to talk about.

Start the thread and I’ll see you there.

 

[Eden]

Because they are in total unity. in theory (and I know this is a stretch because they fight like cats and dogs)

That is such a bizarre statement. What are you basing this on?

 

[zaffiroborant]

That is such a bizarre statement. What are you basing this on?

I believe the “fighting like cats and dogs” was meant to apply to the 3 branches of government used in the analogy and not to the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

 

[zaffiroborant]

Start the thread and I’ll see you there.

Oh I doubt it would go far. Every time I’ve seen it come up it’s just jello.

 

[J_C]

If Joe Smith was the new prophet to restore a badly damaged church, why do Mormons use the Catholic Bible?

just for sake of clarity the momrons AFAIK do not use the Catholic Bible. They are a KJV=only sect and they use the standard protestant version. the one without the so-called dueterocannonical books.

the Josep Smith “inspired version” made some significant changes to the KJV but the LDS don’t use that either. The RLDS hold the ownership of the inspired version, though the LDS incorporate it as an appendix in some of their large volumes.

 

[ibkc]

just for sake of clarity the momrons AFAIK do not use the Catholic Bible. They are a KJV=only sect and they use the standard protestant version. the one without the so-called dueterocannonical books.

Let me make myself a little more clear: even the most bowdlerized version of the Bible has its roots in the Catholic Church. And if I am not mistaken, the Mormons count even the Protestants as apostate. So really, it makes no sense at all to use a book that is purely the product of people the Mormons think are a bunch of liars and apostates. Does it?

 

[J_C]

Let me make myself a little more clear: even the most bowdlerized version of the Bible has its roots in the Catholic Church. And if I am not mistaken, the Mormons count even the Protestants as apostate. So really, it makes no sense at all to use a book that is purely the product of people the Mormons think are a bunch of liars and apostates. Does it?

no it doesnt’, and you put it very nicely.

but i don’t think they actually do use the Bible very much. i recenlty attended a momron church and keenly observed not a single reading or reference to the Holy Bible. they also had a study hour which I sat in on, but it got dominated by two pushy neckties who pontificated about various things, but never actually did any Bible study to speak of.

There were many references by several people to Josphe Smith, rev Monsoon, and the Book of Mormon, and oneor two to Jesus Christ and the Atonement. And much crying.

But nothing remotely similar to Catholic Mass in which Scripture reading is a central part, and in which the liturgy contains so much Scripture.

 

[xixxvmcm85]

no it doesnt’, and you put it very nicely.

but i don’t think they actually do use the Bible very much. i recenlty attended a momron church and keenly observed not a single reading or reference to the Holy Bible. they also had a study hour which I sat in on, but it got dominated by two pushy neckties who pontificated about various things, but never actually did any Bible study to speak of.

There were many references by several people to Josphe Smith, rev Monsoon, and the Book of Mormon, and oneor two to Jesus Christ and the Atonement. And much crying.

But nothing remotely similar to Catholic Mass in which Scripture reading is a central part, and in which the liturgy contains so much Scripture.

You may have not heard any Bible passages in your trip to an LDS church because they have a “cycle of readings” much like us Catholics do (though I’m not fully received into the church YET, I indeed consider myself to be a Catholic).

It’s a 4 year cycle in the LDS church, the first year being the Old Testament, 2nd the New, 3rd the Book of Mormon, 4th The Doctrine & Covenants / Other Latter-Day scriptures.

It may be that you just so happened to visit an LDS church when they were not currently in one of their “biblical cycles” so to speak.

You’re correct in your observation that an LDS sacrament meeting is nothing like a Catholic Mass (or Orthodox divine liturgy for that matter). There is no sense of liturgical worship in the LDS church whatsoever (unless you count the Endowment which is performed privately inside a temple, though this models a Masonic liturgy and not a Christian one).

 

[xixxvmcm85]

Oh I doubt it would go far. Every time I’ve seen it come up it’s just jello.

LOL. Did you mean this to be a pun on the Mormon cultural affinity for jello?

 

[Jerusha]

LOL. Did you mean this to be a pun on the Mormon cultural affinity for jello?

Their beliefs are like jello-- suitable for reshaping to fit the situation. Someone here has said “Talking with them is like trying to pin jello to a wall.”

 

[xixxvmcm85]

Their beliefs are like jello-- suitable for reshaping to fit the situation. Someone here has said “Talking with them is like trying to pin jello to a wall.”

I got that much, I just didn’t know if you were aware that Mormons LOVE jello (I have no idea why, it’s just a cultural phenomenon) and so I thought you might be deliberately chosing a metaphor to jello for the sake of a pun.

Either way, it had me chuckling.

 

[Jerusha]

OH-- yeah, I have read that they tend to go overboard with jello donations to covered-dish suppers. It is quite cheap compared to the tithes they give-- gotta cut corners somewhere.

Oh, yes, you did make reference to puns.

 

[RebeccaJ]

OH-- yeah, I have read that they tend to go overboard with jello donations to covered-dish suppers. It is quite cheap compared to the tithes they give-- gotta cut corners somewhere.

Oh, yes, you did make reference to puns.

I think it comes down to a matter of taste. My all Mormon family likes the usual, made to feed a lot of people, Mormon fare at our large family gatherings. Casseroles and salads (Jello included). I have tried taking dishes that are outside their “norm” and they don’t get eaten, so, I stick with what they like and it all goes fast. Or, maybe I am just a bad cook and they’re too nice to tell me.

Whatever suits their taste. I don’t really care one way or the other. I’ll make what they’ll eat and save the things they don’t eat for other occasions, like poker night.

To keep it on topic, maybe it is something in my family’s DNA that has produced a liking for Jello salads!