Do All Dogs Go To Heaven? New Books Seem To Think So

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Not if, “All Dogs Go to Heaven”.

Seriously, this seems to be an area outside of revelation, either way. I have kept checking back and searched myself. I can find nothing definitive.
Part of the problem is that it’s an unintelligible quesiton until we understand the meaning in this context of “go.” “to,” and “heaven.” We have no proof that heaven is a place, like Cincinnati, or that we “go:” there. Until we know this, it makes not sense to include or exclude any being from the enjoyment within their capacities of God’s eschatological reality.

StAnastasia
 
answer: Yes
body+spirit= living soul; therefore an animal has a spirit which is never destroyed.
God said there were “living souls” in the oceans,meaning animals.

Also, one of my favorite bible verses tells us an idea of what is going on in God’s mind or what He intends:
Book of Wisdom 1:13-15
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Because God did not make death, nor does he rejoice in the destruction of the living.
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For he fashioned all things that they might have being; and the creatures of the world are wholesome, And there is not a destructive drug among them nor any domain of the nether world on earth,
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For justice is undying.
 
answer: Yes
body+spirit= living soul; therefore an animal has a spirit which is never destroyed.
God said there were “living souls” in the oceans,meaning animals.

Also, one of my favorite bible verses tells us an idea of what is going on in God’s mind or what He intends:
Book of Wisdom 1:13-15
Code:
Because God did not make death, nor does he rejoice in the destruction of the living.
14
For he fashioned all things that they might have being; and the creatures of the world are wholesome, And there is not a destructive drug among them nor any domain of the nether world on earth,
15
For justice is undying.
the problem most have is they do not yet grasp what are and where spirit,soul,heart,mind etc are or where they may be located and/or found or place for that matter for as Catholics it is required of us to accept that heaven is a place,so we must ask what is a place and where can it be found and what will it be like etc - twinc
 
The answer is clearly NO.

Many are taking this post in fun, but if one is serious the answer is definitely NO.

To claim animals go to heaven, reduces humankind to the level of a brute animal. It also implies that Jesus came on earth to redeem non-humans, who do not have a rational soul and cannot distinguish between good and bad.
 
The answer is clearly NO.

Many are taking this post in fun, but if one is serious the answer is definitely NO.

To claim animals go to heaven, reduces humankind to the level of a brute animal. It also implies that Jesus came on earth to redeem non-humans, who do not have a rational soul and cannot distinguish between good and bad.
so what’s wrong with that since the whole of creation fell with or because of Adam’s sin so the whole of creation in the new heavens and earth will be restored to its pristine condition of very good- by the way animals and plants do not sin - twinc
 
The answer is clearly NO.

Many are taking this post in fun, but if one is serious the answer is definitely NO.
If you are so definite, then you should easily be able to show where the Church has defined this. No one yet.
 
Whether animals have mortal souls or not seems irrelevant. If God can resurrect a mortal physical body, surely He can also resurrect a mortal soul.
 
PNewton
The CCC tells us
1023 Those who die in God’s grace and friendship and are perfectly purified live for ever with Christ. They are like God for ever, for they “see him as he is,” face to face:
 
PNewton
The CCC tells us
And from that you derive that your position on animals is definitive? Animals are not mentioned at all. This passage tells us one thing about heaven and who is there. It does not tell us who is not their. Angels are not mentioned here either, but I am rather certain from John’s desrciption there are angels in heaven.
 
PNewton,

I read in your signature that one should not go beyond what is written.

No where is it definitely written that all dogs go to heaven.

I rest my case.
 
Animals are the innocent of God’s creation. Man and only man realized he was naked and realized he wanted to be like God(powerful like God). Man cursed nature by his own fault. Animals were not given this challenge to open their eyes to be like God/or God-like nor will they ever. God created perfection, He did not create a living soul for death. Therefore a living soul cannot die into eternity because the fault of man. That makes man more powerful than God,which is not true.

body + spirit = soul ; in Hebrew a creature is a soul ; therefore a creature must have a spirit; spirits do NOT fall out of existence. Spirits are the very essence of a creature which is part of God ; God does NOT through that away.
 
PNewton,

I read in your signature that one should not go beyond what is written.

No where is it definitely written that all dogs go to heaven.

I rest my case.
What case? You said it was definite that they did not. If that is the case you rest, based on nothing being defined, then it makes no sense. I hold rather that this is an issue that we can not know, as it has not been revealed. I am inclined to go with St. Thomas on this, but it is just my conjecture. I would never tell anyone that they were wrong who hoped to see Fluffy in heaven.
 
The answer to the question posed lies in what happened after Adam and Eve sinned?

Before sinning, Adam and Eve enjoyed a supernatural existence in which they would have never known death. When they sinned, their FINITE act of sinning caused an INFINITE hurt to God.

Now, some have asked, how can this be?

Man can NEVER commit an infinite act. Why? Because, as a finite being, he can only commit finite acts. But because he hurt God, he caused an infinite HARM. That is because God’s love is infinite. So man was really “stuck”. How do beings capable of only finite acts redeem and atone for an infinite harm? They don’t. Thus, the incarnation of God as Man. As both God and man, Christ was able, with his death, to restore the breach between man and God. This could NOT have been done by man. The redemption was objective in the sense that it benefitted all immortal souls WHO HAD INHERITED ORIGINAL SIN. The redemption was and is subjective in its application to each immortal soul (justification through the grace of God).

All of what I have just stated is supported by Old Testament prophecy, New Testament writings of St. Paul, and dogmatic teachings of the Catholic Church.

We know that after his death, Christ went to preach to the captive souls in purgatory. They had been waiting for his redemptive act to open heaven again, and they were overjoyed at what he had done on their behalf.

Now, for those who say either “animals go to heaven” or “there is no proof that animals do not go to heaven”, you MUST accept that the souls of all animals who died between the sinning of Adam and Eve were in purgatory or hell. They could not be in heaven because heaven was closed.

Here is where the “pro animal in heaven” thesis falls apart.

To be sent to hell, an animal must have committed a mortal sin. That is impossible, as animals cannot sin.

To be sent to purgatory, an animal must have committed a venial sin. That, too, is impossible, as animals cannot sin.

Why can’t animals sin? Because they do not have the capacity or free will to “turn away from God”, which is the simplest, purest definition of sin.

So where, pray tell, were the supposed “immortal animal souls” between the sinning of Adam and Eve and the redemptive death of Christ?

In his epistle to the Romans, Paul teaches that all MEN, Jews and heathens, stand under the curse of sin, and that they are justified by a free gift of the Divine love in virtue of the redemptive death of Christ. “For all have sinned and need the glory of God (= to the grace of Redemption), being justified freely by his grace through the Redemption that is Christ Jesus.”

Paul was clearly teaching ALL have sinned, and ALL needed the redemption. But as even the “pro animal in heaven” group admits that animals cannot sin, then Christ’s redemption cannot be applied to them. Well if Christ’s redemptive death had the function of atoning for a being’s sins (where the only being who could sin was man), how could Christ atone for a being that could not sin? Now, the argument really begins to break down because the “pro animals in heaven” group MUST argue that the souls of the animals who died before Christ died benefitted from Christ’s death. Remember, objectively, Christ’s redemption was applied to ALL WHO SINNED. But we navigate back to the obvious: animals don’t sin.

You see, by elevating an animal to the point of having a soul that was never burdened with even original sin, much less sins committed by free will (which animals do not have), you are elevating animals above man. That cannot be.

Lastly, and I alluded to this in an earlier post of mine in this thread: I am not trying to be “mean” in my statements that people who loved their pets will not be reunited with their pets in heaven.

If you really extend the argument of the “pro animal in heaven” group, you are saying that it is IMPORTANT, for their happiness, to be reunited with their animals.

Don’t you understand how that cheapens the beatific vision? I said this tongue-in-cheek, but I now said it seriously: do you really think that an immortal soul who is contemplating God, in the face, will want to “leave” to go play fetch with this dog? And why stop with dogs? Next you have cats, snakes, hamsters, horses, guppies, pot-bellied pigs - the list is finite only in the sense that we eventually run out of finite beings that could serve as pets. Can you imagine having your “ant farm” with you in heaven? This really becomes absurd.

CAN God allow animals into heaven? I suppose he could. But dogma and the logic of what Christ did for man by dying, cheapens Christ’s redemptive act by applying it to souls that never sinned.

Those who claim that we who contend that animals are not in heaven, are either limiting God, or have the burden of proving animals are not in heaven. This reminds me of the atheist who seeks to show as one “proof” of God’s non-existence, God’s inability to create a 4 sided triangle. Can God create a 4 sided triangle? The answer is of course, no. Why? It is not because God is limited in his capacity - it is because the question seeks an answer that does not exist to begin with. A triangle is, by definition, three-sided. As God is not limited by anything, then God is not limited when we say that God cannot create a 4 sided triangle. There is “no thing” (or, if you will, “nothing”) God cannot do. And a 4 sided triangle is the equivalent of “no thing”.

If someone can demonstrate to me, using the Bible, dogmatic teachings of the Church, and logic of a rational mind (all of which were given to man by God), that a person will be reunited with his pet goat in heaven, then I will reconsider everything I just posted.
 
What case? You said it was definite that they did not. If that is the case you rest, based on nothing being defined, then it makes no sense. I hold rather that this is an issue that we can not know, as it has not been revealed. I am inclined to go with St. Thomas on this, but it is just my conjecture. I would never tell anyone that they were wrong who hoped to see Fluffy in heaven.
Heaven is an imaginary place, in the sense that we can only picture it in our imaginations. Children picture it one way, adults another; nature lovers imagine it one way, philosophers another. Until we have been there – if “there” in the sense of space even means anything – one picture of beatitude is as valid as another.

We hold God’s creation in contempt if we insist (without any evidence) that only one set of rational beings – from one particular planet around one of a hundred billion stars of one of three hundred billion galaxies in the universe – gets to sit around drooling over what that one rational species imagines to be the “beatific vision.”

StAnastasia
 
We hold God’s creation in contempt…

that only one set of rational beings …gets to sit around drooling over what that one rational species imagines to be the “beatific vision.”
Drooling? Does this language not show contempt for mankind?
if we insist (without any evidence)
There is philosophical evidence. This is an area in which the Church has not pronounced doctrine, but there is evidence, just not proof.
 
Drooling? Does this language not show contempt for mankind?
No more than the anthropocentrists show contempt for the rest of God’s creation by rejecting the hope of those who would like on day to be reunited with their cats and dogs.
There is philosophical evidence. This is an area in which the Church has not pronounced doctrine, but there is evidence, just not proof.
There is no such thing as “philosophical evidence.” There is philosophical conjecture and argument. But no evidence.
 
What is “philosophical evidence?”
Agruments like the argument of the existence of God as First Cause. I used evididence, but could have also used data. Post #24 gives data that is deserving of an account. It does not prove the point, but is evidence for it.

On the other hand, Wintz also give information that deserves consideration.
 
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