Do all religions have good in them?

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Hi Loginus,

What I think about any particular religion is irrelevant, escpecially in this thread.

The point I was trying to make is that it is up to you to do your own research about a religion. Because for every religion, there are people who are for it, and people who are against it. They both can not be right. You have to make up your own mind.

There is a wealth of information out there on the World Wide Web. Start Googling…
Hehe sry, guess I took it the wrong way. But I do disagree about being ‘one path’. Alot of the other non-Abrahamic religions entertain the idea that there are in fact many paths to god(s), heaven etc. The reason why I praise Hinduism so much is that it invites you to follow your own path. According to them, as long as you strive to be a good person, it wont matter what face of Ishvara (psedeo-lord) you worship as youll still reach oneness with (the) Brahman.
 
Jesus never tells the Jews that he is God or the Messiah.
This is just one reference that Jesus makes to His Messiahship.

John 4:24-26
24 “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” 25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.” 26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.”

There are others and of course He claimed to be God both directly and in ways that would have been clear as a bell to a first century Jew…thanks
 
I am not sure of any religions that are void of good. But then even Satan would weave truth into his lies.Lies are bad. You cant get most people to swallow an outright falsehood, but if you weave some truth into the lie, they may bite.
So I dont know.
Most religions package themselves to be very “marketable” and if that is all we are looking for in this question, well- at a glance they seem to all have some selling points.
 
I am not sure of any religions that are void of good. But then even Satan would weave truth into his lies.Lies are bad. You cant get most people to swallow an outright falsehood, but if you weave some truth into the lie, they may bite.
So I dont know.
Most religions package themselves to be very “marketable” and if that is all we are looking for in this question, well- at a glance they seem to all have some selling points.
“Satan is just a symbol, nothing more,” LaVey says. “Satan signifies our love of the worldly and our rejection of the pallid, ineffectual image of Christ on the cross.”

Seem more like angry atheists as opposed to Satan worshippers 😛
 
Hehe sry, guess I took it the wrong way. But I do disagree about being ‘one path’. Alot of the other non-Abrahamic religions entertain the idea that there are in fact many paths to god(s), heaven etc. The reason why I praise Hinduism so much is that it invites you to follow your own path. According to them, as long as you strive to be a good person, it wont matter what face of Ishvara (psedeo-lord) you worship as youll still reach oneness with (the) Brahman.
Just wondering here, because I really dont know anything about it but cant you do what you just described as an atheist? Why would an atheist be less admirable here?
 
“Satan is just a symbol, nothing more,” LaVey says. “Satan signifies our love of the worldly and our rejection of the pallid, ineffectual image of Christ on the cross.”

Seem more like angry atheists as opposed to Satan worshippers 😛
:confused:

I never mentioned Satan worshipers.

I would not trust Anton Le Vey to be an expert on Satan anyway.
He could be the martin Luther version of a real Satan worshipper.
We just dont know.
Satan has not exactly made that clear that he has put mr Anton Le Vey in charge of his worship affairs.
 
Just wondering here, because I really dont know anything about it but cant you do what you just described as an atheist? Why would an atheist be less admirable here?
They arnt according to them. As long as the atheist is a good person he/she will achieve good karma and reach Brahman. In the end, it doesnt matter if your an atheist, a Muslim, a christian, a hindu etc. They are all different paths but all converge in brahman.

Hell, they even recognize Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, etc as avatars of Vishnu, the Great Savior
 
They arnt according to them. As long as the atheist is a good person he/she will achieve good karma and reach Brahman. In the end, it doesnt matter if your an atheist, a Muslim, a christian, a hindu etc. They are all different paths but all converge in brahman.

Hell, they even recognize Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, etc as avatars of Vishnu, the Great Savior
But do they all carpool? That is the ultimate question.😉
 
Hi Loginus,

What I think about any particular religion is irrelevant, escpecially in this thread.

The point I was trying to make is that it is up to you to do your own research about a religion. Because for every religion, there are people who are for it, and people who are against it. They both can not be right. You have to make up your own mind.

There is a wealth of information out there on the World Wide Web. Start Googling…
If, there are people that are both for and against every religion. And if they cannot both be right, then everyone who is for any particular religion, must be wrong, except for those who are in favor of whichever one religion is right;

The only other alternative is that no one religion has a monoply on “right.” But that there may only be one religion that is right for you.
 
This is just one reference that Jesus makes to His Messiahship.

John 4:24-26
24 “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” 25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.” 26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.”

There are others and of course He claimed to be God both directly and in ways that would have been clear as a bell to a first century Jew…thanks
Who did he make these claims to? This is a private conversation that is being reported by John, who is one of the later writings on Jesus. As I said the further away in time the writing is, the more likely it is to attribute Jesus with the Divine. But even so, this is not a public declaratgion. A conversation that is almost literally “water cooler” talk, isn’t exaclty an announcement to the masses…

If one takes the position that the Jews rejected Jesus as God, I think that it would only be fair that it was shown that the Jesus TOLD the Jews that he was God. Otherwise, what exactly were they rejecting?
 
There are many levels to the question being asked in my opinion. Are we speaking “good” in terms of the spirituality, the outward fruits, the potential or all of the above?

I personally can’t say all religions possess good since I am unaware of many religions. I think most religions have had positive impact on their respective parts of the world.

On the surface most religions have stabilized the areas that they have taken root in. The Jewish faith gave its people law, a system of government and an identity. These are all very positive “fruits”. Christianity similarly gave its followers a reason for existence and an insight into what their position in the universe was. Both also gave a “face” to the creator.

Buddhism taught its people a path of self-introspection and a way by which to approach life. Christianity also does this which is probably why that Buddhists and Christians tend to see eye to eye intellectually. Buddhism, Christianity and Judaism all brought philosophies that tended to bring order and personal accountability. All of these things could be seen as “good”.

The Hindu religion basically created the entire culture and civilization of the sub-continent. As such it gave identity to its people and that would be “good”. Hindu and Judaism also seem to have an additional ability for its followers to excel at Law, engineering and medicine. 😛 I kid, I kid…

Shinto seems to have given its people an eye and desire for seeing and creating beauty all around them and this would good.

Now on too something a bit more controversial. The Nation of Islam was always trying to get into the neighborhood that I grew up in. Now the Nation of Islam has some really whacky and sometimes hateful ideals. Yet I can say this, if they moved into a neighborhood that had a problem with crime and drugs those problems went way down. So while I don’t care for the movement it did bring some “good” with it.

So I’ve seen good out of many religions even those I don’t care for.

So I think there is potential out there for many religions too do good. What I do know is that if religions gain political power their chances of doing good start to plummet. Also a whenever a religion lacks the ability to criticize itself its ability to good becomes diminished.

I’m Christian and as such I do believe my faith is the Truth. Still, I as a believer must maintain the ability to look at myself and my Church critically. We owe this to ourselves and too our God. While it is true that God is perfect He builds His kingdom with broken tools and we must always keep in mind that our intellectual myopia can make us very broken indeed.

So to make a long post longer. I would say that as long as a religion keeps its focus on the eternal and not the temporal and always reviews itself in the mirror of self-introspection it will more than likely bring some good into the world around it.
 
Hehe sry, guess I took it the wrong way. But I do disagree about being ‘one path’. Alot of the other non-Abrahamic religions entertain the idea that there are in fact many paths to god(s), heaven etc. The reason why I praise Hinduism so much is that it invites you to follow your own path. According to them, as long as you strive to be a good person, it wont matter what face of Ishvara (psedeo-lord) you worship as youll still reach oneness with (the) Brahman.
What?? :confused: :confused:
 
If, there are people that are both for and against every religion. And if they cannot both be right, then everyone who is for any particular religion, must be wrong, except for those who are in favor of whichever one religion is right;

The only other alternative is that no one religion has a monoply on “right.” But that there may only be one religion that is right for you.
Jesus started one church, not 30,000 churches with contradictory beliefs. To know that His one true church is the Holy Catholic Church, and to turn your back on it is a grave mistake. Have you studied the Early Church Fathers?? I gather you didn’t. History is on my side as a Catholic. We are the only religion you can trace back to 2,000 years with an unbroken link. no one else can claim this. No one.
Jesus said His church will never die. We’ve been here 2,000 years and are not going away. More and more people are coming home to Rome, whether you like it or not. 😃
 
Jesus started one church, not 30,000 churches with contradictory beliefs. To know that His one true church is the Holy Catholic Church, and to turn your back on it is a grave mistake. Have you studied the Early Church Fathers?? I gather you didn’t. History is on my side as a Catholic. We are the only religion you can trace back to 2,000 years with an unbroken link. no one else can claim this. No one.
Jesus said His church will never die. We’ve been here 2,000 years and are not going away. More and more people are coming home to Rome, whether you like it or not. 😃
The problem with the early churches thou, is alot of them did not agree with each other. The kind of Christianity we have now the Pauline model but his was only one of many
 
Who did he make these claims to? This is a private conversation that is being reported by John, who is one of the later writings on Jesus. As I said the further away in time the writing is, the more likely it is to attribute Jesus with the Divine. But even so, this is not a public declaratgion. A conversation that is almost literally “water cooler” talk, isn’t exaclty an announcement to the masses…

If one takes the position that the Jews rejected Jesus as God, I think that it would only be fair that it was shown that the Jesus TOLD the Jews that he was God. Otherwise, what exactly were they rejecting?
His claims were to your people who rejected Him. No matter what He said or done, including His miracles ,you still rejected Him. He who came to save you and me was rejected in His own world.
It wasn’t much later that John wrote his letters. Instead of worrying about time frames Mr. Valke, I suggest you pay attention to what he wrote and worry about what is written.
 
The problem with the early churches thou, is alot of them did not agree with each other. The kind of Christianity we have now the Pauline model but his was only one of many
Oh please…you don’t have a clue…
 
Oh please…you don’t have a clue…
Perhaps you could explain why in Galatians Paul is basically defending himself from the official church or why in Corninthians he is mocking the ‘super-apostles’?
 
Perhaps you could explain why in Galatians Paul is basically defending himself from the official church or why in Corninthians he is mocking the ‘super-apostles’?
Super-Apostles??? I was not talking about St. Paul, but of the Early Church Fathers.
Show Scripture Longinus to back yourself up. Show me the verse exactly.
 
Super-Apostles??? I was not talking about St. Paul, but of the Early Church Fathers.
Show Scripture Longinus to back yourself up. Show me the verse exactly.
Sure, but youll have to allow me to finish this essay first. Which is consequently on Paul and his dealings hehe. After im done Ill be more than happy to argue with u 😉
 
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