Do Any One Know The Meaning Of Assalaam O Alaikyum

[Paul_89_33]

Here is your answer 3aleikhem I can’t say whole coz i am not allowed to a non muslim.

you can’t answer me because you’re not allowed to a non-muslim !!!
you can Pm anyway i’ll receive your letter gaily
don’t worry i’m an ex-muslim anyway
and my question is still current
what do you want to say from this topic ?

 

[sedonaman]

As I read through this thread, I was amazed at how much animosity can get generated over “peace be with you”. One poster even argued that it really means “peace be ON you”. I am reminded of the wars between the Big-Enders and Little-Enders.

 

[ferdie]

7 Sorrows,

You’re welcome. Yes, we still speak the Aramaic (Syriac) language as our common day to day family language, though we speak a modern dialect of it, and we speak a version of it known as “Eastern” Aramaic, as opposed to “Western” Aramaic, which is spoken by the Antiochenes. Jesus spoke what is known in scholarship as Jewish Palestinian Aramaic, which is very close to what we and the Antiochenes speak, since it is all part of the one Aramaic language.

In my own family, I grew up with three languages. My parents speak Aramaic with one another, but they chose to speak Arabic with us as children, and we speak English amongst each other as siblings. It’s pretty funny actually, we have all three languages going on at the same time! I have a relative here in the States who does not allow anything other than Aramaic to be spoken in his family, and so they speak Arabic and English outside, but within the family, Aramaic is what they speak. **Many Chaldean and Assyrian families continue to guard the language from being forgotten or lost, and it remains to this day, the official and traditional language of our people.
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Thank you for your prayers.

God bless,

Rony

That is a great tradition to keep!

 

[jakasaki]

Originally Posted by tomshaikh

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Do you know on isra and miraj Prophet Muhammad SAW leads prayer to all prophets which are 124000.

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Interesting number of prophets established for islam.

Please tell us (or me) or link to a site of all of these 124,000 prophets and who are they.

I’d like to know because no muslim has been able to answer this question for me.

Thanks

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Looking for a reply from tomshaikh on this statement regarding the 124,000 prophets of islam, who are they, who were they sent to and where are their books and prophecies.*

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Well remember Prophet Muhammad pbuh is the seal of last prophet. I thank you that you donot go to far of blasmp my beloved prophet. No you should read my previous post in which i said what my purpose to open this thread. I describe in it. Thank You

According to Muslim tradition, the seal was identified by a heretical monk. There is nowhere in Jewish or Christian scripture or tradition that speaks of “the seal of the last prophet.” It is only found in Islam to prove itself.

 

[sedonaman]

According to Muslim tradition, the seal was identified by a heretical monk. There is nowhere in Jewish or Christian scripture or tradition that speaks of “the seal of the last prophet.” It is only found in Islam to prove itself.

And anyone who challenges that “proof” is going to hell.

 

[sedonaman]

According to Muslim tradition, the seal was identified by a heretical monk. There is nowhere in Jewish or Christian scripture or tradition that speaks of “the seal of the last prophet.” It is only found in Islam to prove itself.

Perhaps it is the second seal in Revelation:

“And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying: Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red. And to him that sat thereon, it was given that he should take peace from the earth: and that they should kill one another. And a great sword was given to him.”

 

[ronyodish]

may i ask how you became so knowledgable about the languages that are spoken in your family and how you know so much history about these languages? it is very unusual, but very interesting. i have learned so much. thank you for answering these questions.

7 Sorrows,

I learned speaking them (Arabic and Aramaic) as I was growing up in my family, in my interactions with relatives, and in the church and community.

I learned basic Arabic reading and writing in elementary school in Iraq. I can still remember being one of the very few Christians in a class full of Muslims, and I remember when I was in 5th grade or so, I used to have very light debates or discussions with my fellow Muslims on the divinity of Christ! Nothing major, just how kids would argue with one another. It was pretty interesting times!

I then came to the US, a pre-teen, and picked up English, and which became my daily language as I grew up with it. I prefer speaking English with my siblings now and in general, but I tried not to abandon learning more about Arabic and Aramaic. Especially with our cherished Aramaic, in that while I understood the language by simply hearing my parents and relatives converse with one another, and with my interaction with the nuns/deacons/priests at church, I also took a couple of years of study with my priest, in order to learn how to read and write it.

I’m still not fluent in both Arabic and Aramaic, but I continue to learn them, and learn the more intricate and specific details that are beyond just the basic understanding. As far as the history of the languages, I simply study them online, in the books that I have about them, or when I discuss the topic with my people.

That is a great tradition to keep!

Thanks ferdie, it is one of the great treasures in Christianity, along with Greek, Latin, and the other venerable languages.

God bless,

Rony

 

[7_Sorrows]

7 Sorrows,

I learned speaking them (Arabic and Aramaic) as I was growing up in my family, in my interactions with relatives, and in the church and community.

I learned basic Arabic reading and writing in elementary school in Iraq. I can still remember being one of the very few Christians in a class full of Muslims, and I remember when I was in 5th grade or so, I used to have very light debates or discussions with my fellow Muslims on the divinity of Christ! Nothing major, just how kids would argue with one another. It was pretty interesting times!

I then came to the US, a pre-teen, and picked up English, and which became my daily language as I grew up with it. I prefer speaking English with my siblings now and in general, but I tried not to abandon learning more about Arabic and Aramaic. Especially with our cherished Aramaic, in that while I understood the language by simply hearing my parents and relatives converse with one another, and with my interaction with the nuns/deacons/priests at church, I also took a couple of years of study with my priest, in order to learn how to read and write it.

I’m still not fluent in both Arabic and Aramaic, but I continue to learn them, and learn the more intricate and specific details that are beyond just the basic understanding. As far as the history of the languages, I simply study them online, in the books that I have about them, or when I discuss the topic with my people.

Thanks ferdie, it is one of the great treasures in Christianity, along with Greek, Latin, and the other venerable languages.

God bless,

Rony

you have a very interesting story. i always say, the more languages you know the better because it gives you a window into the world and culture where the language is spoken.
when you were in school in iraq, were you ever bullied by the other children who were muslim because you were christian or did they not know that?
i am glad that you are safe over here now? do you miss iraq? i pray for that country also and that there will be peace there someday and that the iraqi people will be able to govern themselves.
i, of course, speak english, but i am fluent in spanish and i also studied german. i would like to learn french and italian. i love foreign languages. they are like puzzles to solve for me. i also would like to learn latin. i think arabic would be hard to learn. i also studied a little hebrew. i wish i knew more about how languages origniated. i do know that in spanish, many words that begin with “al” have the arabic influence of when the muslims were in spain. at least, that is what i was told.
i am glad that you are helping to keep the old languages to live.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Perhaps it is the second seal in Revelation:

“And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying: Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red. And to him that sat thereon, it was given that he should take peace from the earth: and that they should kill one another. And a great sword was given to him.”

An interesting idea, but unfortunately the “seal” that Mohammad had was a literal mark in the back of his neck, not a metaphorical seal.

The caravan halted at Busra in Syria, where there was a learned Christian monk named Bahira in his cell. There had always been a monk in that cell, and their knowledge was passed on, it is alleged, by means of a book which was handed down from generation to generation. Bahira prepared a meal for them because while he was in his cell he had seen the Messenger shaded by a cloud which marked him out from among the company. When they halted in the shade of a tree, he observed the cloud covering the tree and bending down its branches over Muhammad until he was in the shade. Bahira descended from his cell and sent the caravan a message inviting them all. When he saw the Messenger, he observed him very intently, noting features of his person whose description he had found in his Christian book. After the company had finished the meal and dispersed, he asked the Messenger about certain matters which had taken place both when he was awake and when he was asleep. Muhammad told him, and he found that these things corresponded to the description which he had found in his book. Finally he looked at his back, and saw the seal of prophethood between his shoulders in the very place described in his book. [al-Tabari, Volume VI, pg 44]

On another occasion Abu Talib went with a caravan on a trading journey to Syria…When the caravan encamped in the vicinity of Bahira’s hermitage and…Bahira saw this he came down from his cell and ordered food to be prepared…Accordingly they all assembled, but the apostle of Allah remained under the tree…When Bahira saw him he scrutinized him closely and examined him to find the signs lie sought…Then Bahira looked on his back and discovered the seal of prophecy between his shoulders.[Ibn Hashim, *The Early Life of the Apostle of Allah]

As-Sa’ib b. Yazid reported: My mother’s sister took me to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah’s Messenger, here is the son of my sister and he is ailing. He touched my head and invoked blessings upon me. He then performed ablution and I drank the water left from his ablution; then I stood behind him and I saw the seal between his shoulders.[Sahih Muslim, Book 030, Number 5792]

All emphasis in the quotes mine.

 

[sedonaman]

An interesting idea, but unfortunately the “seal” that Mohammad had was a literal mark in the back of his neck, not a metaphorical seal.

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It doesn’t matter. “Opening” the seal seems to mean releasing him after giving him a “sword”. “Taking peace from the earth” also fits.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

It doesn’t matter. “Opening” the seal seems to mean releasing him after giving him a “sword”. “Taking peace from the earth” also fits.

But the context of the seal is vital. Both tomshaikh and I are referring to the literal “seal” between Mohammad’s shoulders, not a sword or being unleashed, or a metaphorical seal. It was this literal “seal” on Mohammad’s back that many Muslims like to use to claim he was indeed a prophet.

 

[dzheremi]

Islam just gets more and more bizzare the more I learn about it…

 

[ronyodish]

you have a very interesting story. i always say, the more languages you know the better because it gives you a window into the world and culture where the language is spoken.
when you were in school in iraq, were you ever bullied by the other children who were muslim because you were christian or did they not know that?

7 Sorrows,

Some of the Muslim kids knew that I was a Christian, but I did not receive any explicit bullying from them. I also had some Muslim friends. It was more of an atmosphere of being a minor Christian in a major Islamic society that I found uncomfortable as a kid, but at the same time, I did very well in school, and was generally a care-free kid, like many kids. That’s just my experience, which may have been similar with, or different from, the experiences of other Christian kids in Iraq.

The heavy and more devastating persecution of Christians in Iraq is a more recent phenomenon, due to terrorist acts. Prior to this, I remember as a kid in the 1980s, that what scared us the most was the Iraq-Iran war, where in the middle of the night, we had to go down into the public basement of the apartment complex whenever the sirens would go off in Baghdad. As I would go down, I used to see anti-aircraft fires go up into the sky. Also, Iran used to shoot rockets into Iraq, and our families and communities didn’t know where these would fall, and so when one of them landed in our city and shook our ground, we hoped and prayed that it didn’t fall onto a nearby relative or friend. This, at the time, scared us more than any specific Muslim against Christian persecution.

i am glad that you are safe over here now? do you miss iraq? i pray for that country also and that there will be peace there someday and that the iraqi people will be able to govern themselves.

I sort of miss Iraq, but not really, since I came here still quite a young kid, and I’ve become Americanized. I still have some relatives there though.

i, of course, speak english, but i am fluent in spanish and i also studied german. i would like to learn french and italian. i love foreign languages. they are like puzzles to solve for me. i also would like to learn latin. i think arabic would be hard to learn. i also studied a little hebrew. i wish i knew more about how languages origniated. i do know that in spanish, many words that begin with “al” have the arabic influence of when the muslims were in spain. at least, that is what i was told.

Wow, it’s good that you also have an interest in other languages. Yeah, I think Arabic would be hard for you, at least in the beginning, as it is in general hard for Westerners to learn, but since you studied a little Hebrew, that makes it easier to learn Arabic and Aramaic. Online, one can find various information on the history of various languages, wikipedia being one source that you can look up (though it’s not always the best), among the various sources. Also, I think you are right about Spanish having some Arabic influence.

i am glad that you are helping to keep the old languages to live.

Thank you, and God bless!

Rony

 

[dzheremi]

Yes, I remember being told years ago by a college professor that upwards of 20% of Spanish vocabulary has its roots in Arabic or Farsi via Arabic. Some obvious ones (the "al-"s), but some I only found out relatively recently like naranja, paraiso, etc. This page has a pretty neat summary about it, if anyone is interested.

It hasn’t really helped me to learn Arabic, though, just made a few more “a-ha!” moments, like “aha! Alcaniz comes from al-kanisa! It makes so much sense now!”

 

[sedonaman]

Yes, I remember being told years ago by a college professor that upwards of 20% of Spanish vocabulary has its roots in Arabic or Farsi via Arabic. Some obvious ones (the "al-"s), but some I only found out relatively recently like naranja, paraiso, etc. This page has a pretty neat summary about it, if anyone is interested.

It hasn’t really helped me to learn Arabic, though, just made a few more “a-ha!” moments, like “aha! Alcaniz comes from al-kanisa! It makes so much sense now!”

No al-catraz.

 

[ronyodish]

Yes, I remember being told years ago by a college professor that upwards of 20% of Spanish vocabulary has its roots in Arabic or Farsi via Arabic. Some obvious ones (the "al-"s), but some I only found out relatively recently like naranja, paraiso, etc. This page has a pretty neat summary about it, if anyone is interested.

It hasn’t really helped me to learn Arabic, though, just made a few more “a-ha!” moments, like “aha! Alcaniz comes from al-kanisa! It makes so much sense now!”

Pretty cool summary page, thanks dzheremi!

God bless,

Rony

 

[7_Sorrows]

Yes, I remember being told years ago by a college professor that upwards of 20% of Spanish vocabulary has its roots in Arabic or Farsi via Arabic. Some obvious ones (the "al-"s), but some I only found out relatively recently like naranja, paraiso, etc. This page has a pretty neat summary about it, if anyone is interested.

It hasn’t really helped me to learn Arabic, though, just made a few more “a-ha!” moments, like “aha! Alcaniz comes from al-kanisa! It makes so much sense now!”

thanks. that was very interesting. i think i will have to follow up and do some more research!