Do attendees of N.O. love the Mass like TLMers love the TLM?

[gmarie21]

I don’t mind either. I do mind the incense in a non-Cathedral like church, however. In my parish (NO mass) for the times when they have incense I get pretty close to passing out and have difficulty breathing b/c of the lack of more open spaces. As for the reverence or ability to concentrate, I really try to not focus on anyone else (except my dd when she has to go to the restroom) and have found that I have PLENTY of time for reflection during the NO mass. Heck, I have cried more times than I can count at NO masses from being moved, not to mention the blessings of priests at the different parishes I have attended. The only times I find that I am having a difficult time with focusing on Our Lord at mass is when I personally am struggling with my prayer life and have that internal battle between my spirit and my flesh (the battle between spending more time with God and spending more time doing what I want to do). As for the TLM masses I have attended they are reverent too, but I have been just as distracted there as at NO masses b/c of my internal spiritual struggles. The type of mass has NOTHING to do with whether or not I can hear the message that God is giving to me at mass. TLM or NO, whatever you prefer, but please, please, please don’t tell me I’m not as holy as you b/c I go to NO masses. I don’t criticize others for going to TLM masses and would expect the same Catholic Christian charity in return.

 

[bear06]

You are blessed then! However, still can’t kneel and remain at the altar rail during Communion, or have the whole congregation face the altar rather than each other [in round churches anyway]. It’s just that I see in many NO churches an emphasis on having a fun time/get together mentality that focuses on each other rather than a community focusing together on God. We have all week to enjoy each other, even in religious oriented activities, but only the Mass to worship and adore God togeher. This is what I mean. Thanks for the quick reply bear!

I hear you. Our church is Tudor Gothic. Church in the round - :doh2: That said, I find it interesting that our very old, Dominican church isn’t in the round. The pews actually face each other. In fact, I’ve been in a few, very old churches that are set the same way. When we go there, we do the morning/evening, etc. prayers facing each other and then basically look sideways for the Mass.

 

[rlg94086]

You are blessed then! However, still can’t kneel and remain at the altar rail during Communion, or have the whole congregation face the altar rather than each other [in round churches anyway]. It’s just that I see in many NO churches an emphasis on having a fun time/get together mentality that focuses on each other rather than a community focusing together on God. We have all week to enjoy each other, even in religious oriented activities, but only the Mass to worship and adore God togeher. This is what I mean. Thanks for the quick reply bear!

Well, not necessarily. The parish we used to attend in Santa Clara, CA (and I still attend when I travel there) has an altar rail where all kneel for Communion. They also offer Confession before every Mass. It may be a rarity, but you probably shouldn’t generalize by saying “you can’t.”

Regarding the Pauline Mass. Yes, I love it, but I love it more when it includes at least some Latin and when it is more…“orthodox?” No chatting before and after Mass, more reverence given to the Blessed Sacrament, etc.

 

[bear06]

Well, not necessarily. The parish we used to attend in Santa Clara, CA (and I still attend when I travel there) has an altar rail where all kneel for Communion. They also offer Confession before every Mass. It may be a rarity, but you probably shouldn’t generalize by saying “you can’t.”

Regarding the Pauline Mass. Yes, I love it, but I love it more when it includes at least some Latin and when it is more…“orthodox?” No chatting before and after Mass, more reverence given to the Blessed Sacrament, etc.

And OLP is smack in the middle of wackyland. It possible to do it right even in a liberal haven.

 

[rlg94086]

And OLP is smack in the middle of wackyland. It possible to do it right even in a liberal haven.

Yep.

Of course, I am fairly certain they will have a TLM there, if/when the universal indult comes into being. They already have a Latin Mass once a week.

 

[stbruno]

I love both. You only get out what you put in!!

Amen. Personally, I volunteer as a canter for our daily novus ordo mass and I love being there. In fact, I can’t start my day without daily mass. Just being able to receive the Holy Eucharist is my draw…It doesn’t matter to me what language mass is offered in…I know my Lord is present and that is all that really counts.

 

[water]

I haven’t been to TML yet, but …I do love love love NO Mass. Not because how a mass being celebrated that I am drawn to, but because His Body and Blood that I receive.

If I live in an area where there is only TML, then I go to TML…and vice versa.

If I live in an area with both masses, I would go to TML. I want to understand every word.

 

[viktor_aleksndr]

I love the Novus Ordo if only the ministers follow the rubrics. The Liturgy is great but the redical modifications of ministers makes it worst.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Yes, I do love the NO mass. I love the Tridentine mass as well. What I am saying is I LOVE THE MASS. They are equally efficacious. Which do I prefer? I prefer the NO mass.
Deacon ed B

 

[TMGallyon85]

I have attended one EF mass and really enjoyed it. I would have to say I love the EF, but On a regular basis I attend my local OF parish. The EF parish is 45 minutes from here and isnt feasable every sunday or holy day. I am always sure to look in my bulletin to see which mass is the youth or childrens mass. I will NOT attend those. They tend to play the Glory and praise songs with folk group. I think what i enjoyed about the EF was the church and music were beautiful. Now if the reform of the reform was really enacted, the OF would feel just as reverent as the EF to me. But either way, I could attend either form as long as they were reverent.

 

[pnewton]

I enjoy the Mass I attend very much. We have a great deal of reverence combined with good teaching through homilies. We also stand at a cultural crossroads that we benefit from. Of course, I would probably like it just as much if we added more traditional elements also.

 

[Conservative]

Many TLM will only attend or drive for hundreds miles to worship the Lord at a TLM Mass. I drive 45minutes one way to the TLM and I bet I must pass a ½ dozen NO parishes on the way there. Traditionalist will even push to the envelope Church Laws in not attending a NO mass is a TLM is not avail…

Do No attendees feel the same way about their Mass?

What would happen if it radically changed or as replaced?

I guess the answer lies partly in you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone (in a manner of speaking)…Not that the TLM is gone but once we had a chance to experience both, and the N.O. was almost all that was available, it seems only then that people went the "extra mile" (pardon the pun here) to educate themselves and learn more about things like Quo Primum, Papal Bulls, Canon Law, detailed explanations of Papal Infallibility, rubrics, vernacular, the word ‘anethema’ (that word scares me silly) and the like. Not to mention - it seems only those who finally travelled that extra mile for TLM had learned what was changed in going to the N.O. (i.e. changes in process of translation, removal of references to Our Lady, removal of kneeling at holiest parts of the Mass, etc.) while others don’t seem to see the problem with it.

I notice some N.O. Churches have their fill in the parking lots (depending on the hour of the Mass), while some are closing schools, convents and barely running the Churches themselves. It’s sad. But the question is - have you seen the weekly collection reports? Some parish collections are low either due to individuals’ incomes or lower numbers in congregations. While, on the other hand, smaller TLM congregations (some are not really “parishes”) - have larger totals in their weekly collections.

It’s an excellent question. Would N.O. parishioners travel the distances we do if situation was reversed? With TLM attendees, their fervor goes beyond the voluntary mileage and prayer they put in. It seems the exceeding collections show a gratitude from those thirsty for Tradition and willing to support it to keep TLM going - not tradition defined as habit - but Tradition in sanctity.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

Would those who favor the OF splinter off into schismatic groups like what happened re TLM? Probably not.

Would those who favor the OF speak of the ‘church leaving them’ as justification of going lukewarm after such a change? I doubt it.

I have to wonder if those who adapted/adopted the OF would adjust to a future change differently than they did when the OF was instituted.

 

[CradleCath]

Eilish Maura;3247961]Would those who favor the OF splinter off into schismatic groups like what happened re TLM? Probably not.

I find this question quite strange. Are there SSPX people on this board?

Would those who favor the OF speak of the ‘church leaving them’ as justification of going lukewarm after such a change? I doubt it.

I don’t know, those who favor the ordinary form have screeching quite loudly these last few months. BTW., there is NO justification for leaving the one, true faith. As for not being passionate about it (lukewarm), this is often an emotional thing & emotions can be affected by everything from lack of sleep to a lack of reverence in the Sanctuary during last Sunday’s Novus Ordo Mass.

I have to wonder if those who adapted/adopted the OF would adjust to a future change differently than they did when the OF was instituted.

I have to wonder why you’re wondering about all of these things.