Do Baptists believe Jesus drank wine or grape juice?

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Ripple wine was my introduction to any wine other than Mogen David. It’s amazing I ever tried another wine again! 😂😂😂
 
Boone’s Farm. Still staying with the screw top.

In truth, as a kid, and comparing MD to Welch’s grape juice, it wasn’t horrible. And I used it to make wine jelly, among other labels. I moved on as I aged, to other stuff, never really going beyond moderately priced things.
 
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I think Mogen David might have been my intro to wine. Around age 6-7.

It got better.
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Was it MD 20/20? the Mad Dog? 😲

That stuff will get you seriously twisted. I learned my lesson a long time ago. 🤢
 
"Wherever the Catholic sun does shine, there you’ll find laughter and good red wine. At least I have always found it so, Benidicamus Domino. "
  • Hillaire Belloc
 
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From Wikipedia I learned that aside from it’s fabled line of exotic fortified wines like MD 20/20 🧐,

they do Kosher wines and other wines.

I looked at their website. It seems like 20/20 is not one of the fine wines they choose to highlight there.


they have a separate website for MD 20/20, which apparently has a canned, carbonated version now 😦

 
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Which is an alternate quatrain to what appears in his “Heretics” poem:

Heretics all, whoever you may be,
In Tarbes or Nimes, or over the sea,
You never shall have good words from me.
Caritas non conturbat me.

But Catholic men that live upon wine
Are deep in the water, and frank, and fine;
Wherever I travel I find it so,
Benedicamus Domino.

On childing women that are forelorn,
And men that sweat in nothing but scorn:
That is on all that ever were born,
Miserere Domine.

To my poor self on my deathbed,
And all my dear companions dead,
Because of the love that I bore them,
Dona Eis Requiem.
 
Oh, I didn’t know this. That’s lovely! Thanks for posting!
 
You are very welcome.

I’ve collected Belloc for around 55 years. And other similar people, similarly.
 
Some Baptists have a problem with drinking and dancing.

There is a type of yeast that lived in grape skins and once the grape is crushed it starts to ferment into wine.

I think the process to stop grape juice from fermenting was invented by Thomas Bramwell Welch. This process employed pasteurization and he managed to convince local churches to use his unfermented grape juice for use in their communion rituals.

So there you have it. The tradition of using juice instead of wine is not Biblical in origin but was a result of a successful marketing effort by Mr. Welch himself.
 
My first sip of wine was a wine from Sicily called Nero D’Avola.

I had this wine for my first communion since the parish priest was born and raised in Sicily.

I love that wine.
 
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Sarcelle said:
and he managed to convince local churches to use his unfermented grape juice for use in their communion rituals.
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He didn’t have to do much convincing. There were tons of Protestant Christians who were already convinced that alcohol was “demon rum” and should be completely prohibited. Welch was a Wesleyan Methodist, and that church was already on record as opposing the production, buying and selling of intoxicating liquor.
 
What reason do they give? It just seems so unlikely that people in antiquity would have drunk grape juice rather than wine.

Are they saying that grape juice would have been the normal drink in Judea at the time? Or that wine would have been the normal drink, but Jesus had his reasons for rejecting that?
 
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What reason do they give? It just seems so unlikely that people in antiquity would have drunk grape juice rather than wine.
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True

This belief of people not drinking wine but grape juice does seem to be founded on ignorance.

Unless someone can prove that the ancients regularly pasteurized their grape juice which is highly doubtful.
 
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Why would scripture use the word wine then and not juice from grapes??
I have a feeling this is what my Baptist friend believes as well.

How is grape juice made? Does it need to be pasteurized? Did they do that back then?
I would say the difference is fermentation.
 
In my Sicilian family. We were always given watered down Carlo Rossi as kids 😂. I still enjoy it to this day. It’s not spectacular, but it’s decent affordable wine that usually comes in a gallon! Otherwise, Bell’Agio Chianti was for special occasions.
 
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My friend says they drank a different wine
back then. I always thought wine is wine.
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A friend of mine made some homemade wine and it was pretty watery and weak. I understand that the water back then was not safe to drink so they drank wine. Perhaps this is what your friend meant, that the wine that Jesus drank was of a watery quality as a substitute for water and had very low alcoholic content.
 
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Why would scripture use the word wine then and not juice from grapes??
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There’s a difficulty there. In the narratives of the Last Supper in the Gospels, Jesus doesn’t use the word “wine.” He always calls it “the fruit of the vine.”
 
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