Do Baptists really hate Catholics?

[Javl]

I see plenty of kids, teen-agers, and young couples. The only place I saw* just* grey hairs were in Baptist churches.
The truth is, Protestants and Catholics suffer from the same thing: our modern world entices kids away from things spiritual to worldly pursuits. SS and CCD classes only have a certain reach. After a certain age, its up to them.

Here in the Steubenville, Ohio, diocese in all the churches that I have been to mass the majority of participants are younger than fifty. Very few greys among them ( I’m a grey ). It’s very heartening to see the younger generation at mass. Also, the teenagers attend by themselves. I pray that this continues and spreads throughout the country, not only among Catholics but all Christians. We’ve all been keeping God out of our lives for too long a time.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[TBolt1000T]

People who think they have the truth, on whatever subject, and who think there could not possibly be any legitimate other point of view often seek to crush others. It is not just religious fundamentalism. Look at the extremes of politics for more examples.

Thank goodness, those people are in the minority, but they are the ones we see and hear. I would go on to say that the putative Baptist church that pickets soldiers’ funerals shocks virtually all Baptists. Most Baptists are good people who are seeking to know and to live God’s will. Hating others would be unthinkable.

Good post, and great signature by the way!

To the OP, you may want to see if you can find a parish that has some group activities. You could probably even start a group here for Catholics who come from Muslim countries. There are several of you guies on here, and I think that you could all benefit from such a group.

Welcome to America, and God bless you!

 

[JRRTFAN]

Either complain to your priest or the Bishop. Here, in our parish, the children learn and can hold their own. Shalom haMeshiach,

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

That’s great to hear!

 

[KathleenGee]

We had a number of African American Baptist students at our Catholic high school. They had to hold a job through the high school to stay in high school. The first year was hard for all the kids…but by the time they were seniors, just about every student was going to a 4 year college. We had one graduation ceremony at the cathedral and the final diploma graduation at the Baptist church because the school wanted its fruits to be known in the neighborhoods most served by it…Baptists…and we found them minus bias…wonderful people.

 

[ideastoreality]

Hello… I would probably scare some away just telling them I sell catholic statues on etsy… Oh well……After reading all the posts here…lol… I have a shop on etsy selling lovely old catholic statues… and other antiques and vintage items…
www.etsy.com/shop/moxieantique
May we all grow in understanding with each passing day.
Blessings…

 

[Roy5]

Baptists don’t hate Catholics anymore than Catholics hate Baptists. They disagree on matters of religious faith. That doesn’t have to involve hating anybody.

And Baptists, like Catholics, are a diverse group. There are Baptists who think that Catholics won't get to heaven and vice versa. It's a complex matter.

 I think it both unwise and unfair to even ask such a question, as it is based on a false premise. "Do Baptists have different beliefs than Catholics? That is a reasonable question.

 

[vickimonica]

You are so right! In the very independent Baptist church in which I was raised, we joked that anything that seemed fun would be considered sinful. The most extreme was when a group was going snow skiing in Tennessee. Some of the hard-shell types put that to a stop when someone considered that too worldly.

TV was frowned upon, all movies were sinful, swimming with the opposite sex was an invitation to condemnation, all alcohol was banned, non-religious music was evil, dancing was of Satan, etc. You get the picture by now. Seeming dour and pious were the accepted behaviors.

My mother goes to a SBC church that sponsors dances, ski trips, and has activities that would cause hard feelings in my old church. It is all a matter of degrees.

What baffles me is that they say that alcohol is a sin. Jesus turned water into wine, his first miracle!!! Gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins. Not to be disrespectful, but a lot of Baptists are morbidly obese… I saw an advertisment from a Baptist church where they were sending out literature on being “saved” to those that they thought needed it the most. Included on their list were the following- Drug addicts, Alcoholics, Catholics!!!

 

[JaredM]

Talk about stereotyping people OP.

Not all Baptists are crazy fundamentalist anti-Catholics.

Another example:

Another common stereotype is that all Baptists hate homosexuals and gay marriage, yet Al Sharpton, a famous Baptist minister and civil rights activists, supports gay marriage.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Talk about stereotyping people OP.

Not all Baptists are crazy fundamentalist anti-Catholics.

Another example:

Another common stereotype is that all Baptists hate homosexuals and gay marriage, yet Al Sharpton, a famous Baptist minister and civil rights activists, supports gay marriage.

Very much on the contrary, there are very few Bapists I have really came to know who I didn’t get on with very well.

People are people, I would imagine some Catholics would prefer to avoid others? When you arrive at friendship with a preconceived notion and a closed mind, then the doors remain closed, and friendship cannot move foward. When you first have a common bond then truly seek to understand another? Well, people learn rather fast there is much more in common than different. Respect and understanding grows.

Friend of mine runs a local Baptist Chuch here. We have been friends for 40-years. I guess you could could say we get along pretty well.

I’ve found that those who are truly seeking God, pretty much put all nonsense aside rather quickly and get real. Because they want to know what Truth, you know. Its when your caught in the vanity and attitudes of this material world and are of a specific faith, then your inability to move foward in friendship becomes crippling.

 

[ForeverGrace]

I’m Reformed Baptist, and I don’t hate Catholics. To the contrary, I embrace people who truly love the Lord Jesus Christ. We disagree with Catholic dogma, and Catholics disagree with Baptist (Reformed or otherwise) dogma.

Stereotypes are rarely productive or useful. Most of all, they aren’t even accurately descriptive.

My experience is that there are people on both sides who have fallen victim to pride.

 

[guanophore]

I’m Reformed Baptist, and I don’t hate Catholics. To the contrary, I embrace people who truly love the Lord Jesus Christ. We disagree with Catholic dogma, and Catholics disagree with Baptist (Reformed or otherwise) dogma.

Stereotypes are rarely productive or useful. Most of all, they aren’t even accurately descriptive.

It is interesting to read this. I just read a post on another thread where you said “this is why I don’t argue with Catholics”. You did not explain what “this” was that seemed to put you off.

You also did not respond to any of the questions in the post. One gets the feeling that you were stereotyping. I agree. It is not productive or useful. Your response was not even accurately descriptive, either.

My experience is that there are people on both sides who have fallen victim to pride.

Indeed. It seems to be part of our human condition.

 

[ForeverGrace]

It is interesting to read this. I just read a post on another thread where you said “this is why I don’t argue with Catholics”. You did not explain what “this” was that seemed to put you off.

You also did not respond to any of the questions in the post. One gets the feeling that you were stereotyping. I agree. It is not productive or useful. Your response was not even accurately descriptive, either.

Indeed. It seems to be part of our human condition.

Well my goodness. I guess we don’t have anything at all to comment on then. I mean seriously, if Catholics and Protestants don’t disagree, then let’s close down the forum, yes?

I did not say there weren’t any differences, only that arguing about it is pointless. There is a difference between a ‘stereotype’ and the factual differences.

You will find that often I will just respond to the OP and not any person in particular. Is there some rule that I may have missed that I have to respond to other posters in an OP?

I hope this clears up any confusion you may have about how and why I post what I do.

God Bless

 

[Bwtby]

LOL at Al Sharpton.

But where I live, I know ALOT of Black Baptists that attend Catholic Schools. I know alot of Baptists with Catholicism influence.

Now as for down south, that’s a whole different story.

 

[ByHisWounds]

Just thought I’d clear something up. We don’t believe drinking alcohol is a sin, but being drunk is. Most of us adopt the philosophy that the best way not to get drunk is not to drink at all. With so many temptations, that is one I can avoid altogether. There are plenty of people who drink responsibly, and that is fine. That and we don’t want to hurt our witness. We may be able to drink in moderation, but we don’t want to be a stumbling block to the weak.

 

[guanophore]

Well my goodness. I guess we don’t have anything at all to comment on then. I mean seriously, if Catholics and Protestants don’t disagree, then let’s close down the forum, yes?

You can certainly refrain from participating, if you wish.

If you do decide to participate, sarcasm might not be the most productive method,

I did not say there weren't any differences, only that arguing about it is pointless.

I agree, that is why I asked you to distinguish for us how you see the difference between “argue” and “debate”. I am still waiting. :coffeeread:

Since this is the third time you have not answered, I must entertain the possiblity that you have no answer, which is ok. Just be honest about it.

There is a difference between a ‘stereotype’ and the factual differences.

Yes, I agree. One of the main goals of CAF is to distinguish between the two, for those who are interested in replacing their erroneous stereotypes with actual facts. Are you one of those?

You will find that often I will just respond to the OP and not any person in particular. Is there some rule that I may have missed that I have to respond to other posters in an OP?

Not a bit. But your failure to do so speaks volumes.

I hope this clears up any confusion you may have about how and why I post what I do.

Not a bit. You have not explained why you do not respond to the other posts directed to you. You have not answered the question why you are here on CAF.

God Bless

I am sure I will be blessed if, and when, you decide to answer.

 

[Alexander_Roman]

In fact, there have been two attempts in Ontario to declare a “Pope John Paul II Day” and both have been spear-headed by a Baptist - Frank Klees, Member of Provincial Parliament for Newmarket-Aurora. He has a website and his speeches in the legislature are online in this regard.

Mr. Klees is not only a Baptist layman, but one who has completed a degree in Evangelical theology. I know him because I have worked for him since 2006.

In his spare time, he is a voracious reader of the Scriptures (he knows a lot of the New Testament by heart). He has publicly defended keeping the Lord’s Prayer as part of the opening exercises of the Legislature etc.

Both times that his private Member’s bill came before the legislature, it was passed by unanimous support from all three parties.

However, the government has not seen fit to proclaim it into law. Given the fact that the Premier is a Catholic and his wife a Catholic school teacher, I wonder what the holdup is?

And on the day of the second reading of the bill, I contacted a Catholic media outlet to let them know and to invite them to the debate. Do you know what? They said they couldn’t come because in their entire organization there was no one who could spare the time that afternoon . . . Some Catholics . . .

I’ll take a Baptist like that over many Catholics any day!

Alex

 

[Alexander_Roman]

What baffles me is that they say that alcohol is a sin. Jesus turned water into wine, his first miracle!!! Gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins. Not to be disrespectful, but a lot of Baptists are morbidly obese… I saw an advertisment from a Baptist church where they were sending out literature on being “saved” to those that they thought needed it the most. Included on their list were the following- Drug addicts, Alcoholics, Catholics!!!

And do you know why Baptists are against sex? Because it could lead to dancing!

Some of my best friends are Baptists . . . They party hearty with the best of them . . .

Bless those Baptists!

Alex

 

[Roy5]

A couple unrelated thoughts

Most Baptists I know - here in the North, anyway - are moderate Protestants who are cooperative with other Christians. They don't hate anybody. Like you and me, they are not saints, but they set a pretty good example for the rest of us.

As for African-American Baptists in Catholic schools, yes, that is true. When I watch teams of such colleges as Notre Dame, Gonzaga, Villanova, etc., the thought often runs through my mind: "Those star-players are likely Protestants, probably Baptists." I'm especially thinking of NCAA basketball at the moment, since March Madness has been front and center.

I especially like the posting of 'By His Wounds' re alcohol. I have followed the same approach. I certainly can avoid the risk of alcoholism or even occasional over-drinking by not drinking alcohol at all. I also have saved a lot of money, especially when eating out. Again, no objection to moderate drinking and drinkers, but I resolved early on that it wasn't worth the risk. I have seen so many ruined lives, so many broken families, so many wrecked careers. and so many fatal accidents and resulting sorrow because of the misuse of alcohol. To get the alleged benefits of red wine I do drink grapejuice. 

 God bless Catholics, Protestants, Jews, and all of his children of every color, creed. culture and country. Personally, I don't believe God looks at our tribal labels, most of them inherited from Mom and Dad.  God examines our hearts to see how close they come to reflecting the Sermon on the Mount. There are plenty of people who are unaware of the Sermon the Mount who are better Christians than some who claim to be loyal disciples of Christ. "By their fruits shall ye know them" and not by ancient doctrines, some of them irrelevant in today's world of magnificent telescopes, miscroscopes and other inventions that have so broadened our knowledge and made us more aware of what we don't know. I spent time with a Hindu family in India, and if they don't make it to the glories of eternal life a lot of us Christians ought to be worried!

 

[Alexander_Roman]

A couple unrelated thoughts

Most Baptists I know - here in the North, anyway - are moderate Protestants who are cooperative with other Christians. They don't hate anybody. Like you and me, they are not saints, but they set a pretty good example for the rest of us.

As for African-American Baptists in Catholic schools, yes, that is true. When I watch teams of such colleges as Notre Dame, Gonzaga, Villanova, etc., the thought often runs through my mind: "Those star-players are likely Protestants, probably Baptists." I'm especially thinking of NCAA basketball at the moment, since March Madness has been front and center.

I especially like the posting of 'By His Wounds' re alcohol. I have followed the same approach. I certainly can avoid the risk of alcoholism or even occasional over-drinking by not drinking alcohol at all. I also have saved a lot of money, especially when eating out. Again, no objection to moderate drinking and drinkers, but I resolved early on that it wasn't worth the risk. I have seen so many ruined lives, so many broken families, so many wrecked careers. and so many fatal accidents and resulting sorrow because of the misuse of alcohol. To get the alleged benefits of red wine I do drink grapejuice. 

 God bless Catholics, Protestants, Jews, and all of his children of every color, creed. culture and country. Personally, I don't believe God looks at our tribal labels, most of them inherited from Mom and Dad.  God examines our hearts to see how close they come to reflecting the Sermon on the Mount. There are plenty of people who are unaware of the Sermon the Mount who are better Christians than some who claim to be loyal disciples of Christ. "By their fruits shall ye know them" and not by ancient doctrines, some of them irrelevant in today's world of magnificent telescopes, miscroscopes and other inventions that have so broadened our knowledge and made us more aware of what we don't know. I spent time with a Hindu family in India, and if they don't make it to the glories of eternal life a lot of us Christians ought to be worried!

 

[SnakeMauler]

I was born as a Catholic and raised in a Muslim country, after a while from moving to USA because of security reasons in my original country and threats against Christians, I moved to a place where Baptists are dominated. To be honest with you I am not so religious, but I can say of my self as a secular Catholic where I love everything being taught by my family as a catholic, especially the values of love not to hate. I found that baptists reject everyone who don’t think like them, in fact after one year in this place I find my self alone with no friends, it is really hard for me to absorb that, where I love the values of freedom in this country and who gave me my rights when my original country didn’t because of Muslim fundamentalists. Sorry to say that, but from my experience with the two, I can now compare Baptists fundamentalists to Muslim fundamentalists. Unfortunately I can’t move to another place in the mean time due to my work and study.

Baptists, like any group, can be annoying. However, if I could choose between living amongst Baptists or Muslims, I’d choose baptists. I’d rather be annoyed to death then stoned to death.