Do Catholic priests have the authority to forgive sins on earth?

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Cat_Herder said:
The only correct answer to the “litmus question” is:

I submit to the mercy of my Lord Jesus Christ Who is alone the Just Judge. Through His grace I have been saved, am being saved, and will be saved.

If the answer is instead that you know with certainty you will go to heaven then you are impinging on Christ’s role as Judge. It is one thing to trust in His mercy, another to sit in His throne.
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Thank-you.Indeed one can presume wrongly, but so can one submit wrongly. I would think He would want you to know more certainly of your eternal Home, and submit to this hope .You do rightly and beautifully say by His grace you are saved and will be saved . That sounds like a sure thing to me. Hope in scripture , in the Greek , has more of a certainty than is carried over in the English word “hope”. To lessen this certainty is to lessen trust in His plan and power to save .Either way ,we are judging, discerning .May it be according to His spirit and truth…Anyways ,I thought positionally we are seated in the heavenly’s and can boldly go into the Holy of Holies -not to do so may be false piety or lack of knowledge or divine revelation ,or lack of personally knowing and hearing from Him (the Judge) on this matter .
 
KathleenGee said:
CatHerder…tend to think the same with your response…we never can reach perfection in this life…all we can hope for is the Lord and call upon His mercy…which is far greater than all the sins in the world…
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nothing to do with perfection,as in the law and “doing”-this is bondage to the old ways.We have been set free from the old quest .If we seek perfection ,we must seek it in Christ.Give it up ,His yolk is easy.He will perform it ,not you .Whatever "you " do is stench in his nostrils.
 
“protestant raised catholic”?

I’ve spend nearly 10 minutes to figure out if my perception was correct. Would you put a comma after “protestant” for clarity. My religious description would be “Protestant-raised Catholic” for clarity. This is confusing and misleads, whether intended or not. Your description is ambiguous.

Thanks.

BTW: Why not include James 5:14 along with James 5:15-20? It’s very clear that the scripture is speaking about church leaders just glancing over the **scripture **originally posted in the beginning of this thread. .
Hort and Westcott
asqenei tiV en umin proskalesasqw touV presbuterouV thV ekklhsiaV kai proseuxasqwsan ep auton aleiyanteV elaiw en tw onomati tou kuriou

Latin Vulgate
5:14 infirmatur quis in vobis inducat presbyteros ecclesiae et orent super eum unguentes eum oleo in nomine Domini

King James Version
5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

American Standard Version
5:14 Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

Bible in Basic English
5:14 Is anyone among you ill? let him send for the rulers of the church; and let them say prayers over him, putting oil on him in the name of the Lord.

Darby’s English Translation
5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call to him the elders of the assembly, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;

Douay Rheims
5:14 Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

Noah Webster Bible
5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

Weymouth New Testament
5:14 Is any one ill? Let him send for the Elders of the Church, and let them pray over him, after anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

World English Bible
5:14 Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the assembly, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord,

Young’s Literal Translation
5:14 is any infirm among you? let him call for the elders of the assembly, and let them pray over him, having anointed him with oil, in the name of the Lord,
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david_ruiz said:
nothing to do with perfection,as in the law and “doing”-this is bondage to the old ways.We have been set free from the old quest .If we seek perfection ,we must seek it in Christ.Give it up ,His yolk is easy.He will perform it ,not you .Whatever "you " do is stench in his nostrils.
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[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 25:31-46[/BIBLEDRB]
 
Yes only God can forgive sin…

And remember that Christ has His own chosen called to be His ministers…of the Blood…that washes away our sins.
 
PbloPicasso said:
“protestant raised catholic”?

I’ve spend nearly 10 minutes to figure out if my perception was correct. Would you put a comma after “protestant” for clarity. My religious description would be “Protestant-raised Catholic” for clarity. This is confusing and misleads, whether intended or not. Your description is ambiguous.

Thanks.

BTW: Why not include James 5:14 along with James 5:15-20? It’s very clear that the scripture is speaking about church leaders just glancing over the **scripture **originally posted in the beginning of this thread. .
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Howdy.You are the first to mention my self depiction problem.You are right for clarity a comma would help .Otherwise some might think “Catholic” is the noun, and “protestant” an adjective, and “raised” adverb to catholic .Did you try clicking on my name and look at profile ? may have helped a little. Anyways, I was raised Catholic and became protestant at age 21…Sure James 5:14 goes great with 15-20 .I have no problem with “elders”(or bishops,teachers prophets)-just “pope” and “priest”. There is a reason why God used the Greek word for “elder” and not for “priest”.They are not the same.
 
PbloPicasso said:
“protestant raised catholic”?

I’ve spend nearly 10 minutes to figure out if my perception was correct. Would you put a comma after “protestant” for clarity. My religious description would be “Protestant-raised Catholic” for clarity. This is confusing and misleads, whether intended or not. Your description is ambiguous.

Thanks.

BTW: Why not include James 5:14 along with James 5:15-20? It’s very clear that the scripture is speaking about church leaders just glancing over the **scripture **originally posted in the beginning of this thread. .
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Hey, finish his name :Pablo Picasso Ruiz, and we’d be related.They used to call me Rembrandt,I am a painter ,a talented maintenance painter.
 
KathleenGee said:
Yes only God can forgive sin…

And remember that Christ has His own chosen called to be His ministers…of the Blood…that washes away our sins.
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He has broken down the middle wall of partition ,by His blood ,so that no longer is it His chosen ministers that can enter into His Holy of Holies, but ALL who would believe ,as in , you and I ,a kingdom of priests.
 
david_ruiz said:
He has broken down the middle wall of partition ,by His blood ,so that no longer is it His chosen ministers that can enter into His Holy of Holies, but ALL who would believe ,as in , you and I ,a kingdom of priests.
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JL: In the old temple there was a Jewish court and a Gentile court separating the two. In the New Temple, which Christ is building, the Church those walls have been taken away.

[Eph2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 **That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens FROM the commonwealth of ISRAEL, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For HE IS OUR PEACE, WHO HATH MADE BOTH ONE, and hath BROKEN DOWN THE MIDDLE WALL OF PARTITION between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for TO MAKE IN HIMSELF of twain ONE NEW MAN, so making peace; 16 And that he might RECONCILE BOTH unto God IN ONE BODY by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we BOTH have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but FELLOWCITIZENS with the saints, and OF THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom ALL THE BUILDING fitly framed together GROWETH UNTO AN HOLY TEMPLE IN THE LORD: 22 In whom ye also are BUILDED TOGETHER for AN HABITATION OF GOD through the Spirit.]

[1Cor12:13 For **by one Spirit are we ALL BAPTIZED into ONE BODY, WHETHER we be JEWS or GENTILES , whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.] By the Spirit are ALL BAPTIZED into one BODY, the Church.

Gal3:26 For YE ARE ALL CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS. 27 For AS MANY OF YOU AS HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST have put on Christ. 28 THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for YE ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye ABRAHAM’S SEED, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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Jesus spoke to His apostles consecrated in truth and spirit…It has been the Church’s tradition for two thousand years of the chosen and consecrated priesthood.
 
david_ruiz said:
How do you glean that I do not know ? Peter knew beyond doubt Christ was the Messiah yet seconds later refused that the cross was for Jesus.I know some things beyond a shadow of a doubt ,some things less strongly ,and some things He has kept me in the dark .This is as factual, personal,specific as i can get,and the reasonings have already been given.
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These are very good points, and demonstrate perfectly why it is that Jesus did not leave us to determine the Truth individually. He founded the Church so that His revelation to us could surrmount all these human deficiencies. He did not want us to be kept in the dark.
david_ruiz said:
Illumination is what brings me into the church.
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Sounds kinda Gnostic.

Jesus said that baptism is what brings us into the Church.
 
PRmerger said:
if you say “effectual” and “magic” are interchangeable, you are showing great contempt for Catholicism.
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Don’t you think he is just expressing his beliefs?

There are a lot of people that have great contempt for Catholicism.
 
david_ruiz said:
Yes it does ,for you must explain how Peter interpreted not only scripture , but tradition, rabbis, (Jewish church teaching ), even actions and words and the very person of Jesus himself .All these things Peter had to “interpret”. It has everything to do with what we are talking about. Yes.
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I agree. What happened during the Reformation is that people decided that it was a good thing to interpret apart from what God had already revealed to His Church. That is why there is so much fragmentation. Jesus promised to lead the Church into all Truth, and individuals can only benefit from this if they remain in unity with her.
 
guanophore said:
Don’t you think he is just expressing his beliefs?
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He is not free to express wrong beliefs about Catholicism, esp when he has been shown that what he is professing is NOT Catholic teaching. :mad:

I have told him that Catholics do not believe that the sacraments are magic.
There are a lot of people that have great contempt for Catholicism.
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Indeed. And demonstrating this contempt for Catholicism is not permissible on the CAFs.

Welcome back, BTW, dear friend guanophore, to the fun. You were missed! 🙂
 
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