Do Catholics believe John 6:53?

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A loving God is not eager to condemn, He is eager to justify and save! Therefore Jesus MUST be speaking figuratively and if He is speaking figuratively then there is NO need for the priesthood which is why the Apostles did not establish another earthly priesthood - because NONE is required!
Jl: Christ established the priesthood not the apostles. Christ is not just sitting in heaven and watching events, he is our High Priest, present in the heavenly holy of holies, interceding for us with the Father and mediating, bringing to rememberace to the Father and making present to us through those who stand in his stead as priests, that same once for all sacrifice of the lamb on the Cross which we eat at Mass. The old high priest shared his prieshood with a ministerial priesthood, a type and foreshadowing of the real thing, Christ is High Priest in the order of Melchisedec, who offered bread and wine. Christ shares his High Priesthood with ministerial priests in the order of Melchisedec. Those ministerial priest stand in Christ’s stead making present and offering the body and blood of Christ under the appearance of bread and wine, our Passover lamb, which must be eaten just as the Hebrews had to eat the sacrificed Passover lamb so the first born would not die.

Rm15:15 I have written you quite boldly on some points, as if to remind you of them again, BECAUSE OF THE GRACE GOD GAVE ME 16 TO BE A MINISTER of Christ Jesus TO THE GENTILES with THE PRIESTLY DUTY OF PROCLAIMING THE GOSPEL OF GOD, so THAT the GENTILES MIGHT BECOME AN OFFERING to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

If there is no ministerial priesthood in the new covenant, how could the prophecy in Malicah be fullfuled, [Mal11 For FROM THE RISING OF THE SUN even UNTO the GOING DOWN of the same my name shall be great among THE GENTILES and IN EVERY PLACE INCENSE SHALL BE OFFERED unto my name AND A PURE OFFERING for my name shall be great among the heathen saith the LORD of hosts] The sacrifice Christ instituted at the last supper. He told the apostles to DO=OFFER this, constituting them priests to OFFER=SACRIFICE.

The NT priesthood differs from the OT in that our offering is not a bloody sacrifice, but a sacramental sacrifice, bringing to remembence to the Father and making present to us Christ’s once for all bloody sacrifice on the corss. It is a sacramental showing forth of his death, separating body and blood. THIS IS MY BODY, THIS IS MY BLOOD, a living sacrifice. The apostles and those whom they ordain and SENT, by laying on of hands in an unbroken line, stand as representatives of Christ our High Priest, before his people ministering in the stead of Christ reconcilling all to God, that is a fuction of a priest. I like the interpretative way the Amplified Bible puts it, 2Cor5:20 So we are Christ’s ambassadors, God making His appeal as it were through us. We [as Christ’s personal representatives] beg you for His sake to lay hold of the divine favor [now offered you] and be reconciled to God.

Look at the functions of priest, what do the priest do? Paul tells us [Rm15:15 THE PRIESTLY DUTY of PROCLAIMING THE GOSPEL. so THAT the GENTILES MIGHT BECOME AN OFFERING. 2Cor 5:18 And all things are of GOD who hath RECONCILED US to himself BY JESUS CHRIST and HATH GIVEN TO US the MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION 19 To wit that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself not imputing their trespasses unto them and HATH COMMITTED UNTO US the word of reconciliation] Reconciliation is a priestly function, priest forgive sins Jn20:21-22. Priest OFFER the sacrifice of the mass. priest anoint, James5:14-15 . Priest confirm, ACTS 14:21 And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium and Antioch 22 CONFIRMING THE SOULS OF THE DISCIPLES, and exhorting them to continue in the faith and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then YE SHALL BE A PECULIAR TREASURE unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6: And YE SHALL BE UNTO ME A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, and AN HOLY NATION. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. [Israel also had a ministerial priesthood beside the general priesthood of all.]

catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0503fea4.asp Ministerial Priesthood.

If the law requires priests to minister, why do the Jews still keep the law? they have no priests or sacrifice without the temple. Look what do the NT presbyters=priest do. Ordain, forgive, anoint, preach sanctify=baptism, confirm, proclaim God’s word, offer sacrifice.
 
Not really sure where to post this since the thread is so long, but one can easily fine an online etymological dictionary and look up “priest”. Or go to dictionary.com and look it up since they supply the origin of the word.

From etymonline.com:

Priest: O.E. preost, shortened from the older Gmc. form represented by O.S., O.H.G. prestar, O.Fris. prestere, from V.L. *prester “priest,” from L.L. presbyter “presbyter, elder,” from Gk. presbyteros (see Presbyterian). In O.T. sense, a transl. of Heb. kohen, Gk. hiereus, L. sacerdos. Priesthood is O.E. preosthad. Priestcraft originally was “the business of being a priest” (1483); after rise of Protestantism and the Enlightenment, it acquired a pejorative sense of “arts of ambitious priests for temporal power and social control” (1681).

From dictionary.com:

Priest: 1. a person whose office it is to perform religious rites, and esp. to make sacrificial offerings.
2. (in Christian use)
a. a person ordained to the sacerdotal or pastoral office; a member of the clergy; minister.
b. (in hierarchical churches) a member of the clergy of the order next below that of bishop, authorized to carry out the Christian ministry.
3. a minister of any religion.
–verb (used with object)
4. to ordain as a priest.
Origin:
bef. 900; ME prest(e), priest, OE prēost, ult. < LL presbyter presbyter

priest (prēst)
n. 1. In many Christian churches, a member of the second grade of clergy ranking below a bishop but above a deacon and having authority to administer the sacraments.
2. A person having the authority to perform and administer religious rites.

[Middle English preost, from Old English prēost, perhaps from Vulgar Latin *prester (from Late Latin presbyter; see presbyter) or from West Germanic *prēvost (from Latin praepositus, superintendent; see provost).]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
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Why don’t the other 26 books refer to Christ as a Priest? If He is in fact the new High Priest, why was it not expressed in the other books/letters? Why did Peter and the apostles fail to mention this important little nugget?
God is the author of the Bible. Is it not enough you that He covers this subject thoroughly in one book instead of many?

Why do you seek to read into the Bible what is not there (the Catholic priesthood) and belittle what clearly is there (the high priesthood of Jesus Christ)?
 
JL: God is not legalistic, he does not look for ways to condemn but to save. He has mercy on whom he wills.
Or another way to say it is that Jesus cannot be trusted even when He says, “Amen, amen…” So we will believe whatever we feel like believing regardless of what the Bible of Jesus or anyone else says.
 
Russ…

Why does your church commemorate our Lords Birthday and death every year; no where in the bible does it say to do that…
Is it a MORTAL sin if you fail to attend a holy day of obligation? Is it a mortal sin to fail to receive communion on a regular basis? Sin is the result of the LAW. Where there is no law there is no transgression.

The priesthood, the obligations, the ability to be condemned because I fail to attend this or pray that are all SHOUTING that you are under law, not under grace.

You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
 
Are you suggesting that sin no longer exists or what exactly are you suggesting?
 
Protestants are my brethren in Christ, by virtue of their Baptism. So, if you have been validly baptized, Russ, you are my brother in Christ, although you have chosen to separate yourself from the fold, from the Church the Good Shepherd founded.
Or in other words, the words of Jesus have absolutely no meaning whatsoever to the Catholic. We only listen to the Pope. Perhaps if Jesus had said, “Amen, I really mean it, amen again and one more time, amen…” then we might consider taking Him at His word.
 
But, just because one denies the Laws of Gravity, doesn’t mean one is not under the affects of the Law of Gravity.

Hence, one can separate from the Church, but that doesn’t make not “not of the Church”.
Then that includes that Jew and the Muslim and the heathen as well, right? They are all part of this universal church.

You vacillate back and forth. First is takes a tremendous miracle of the most unusual sort for the Jew to be saved outside of the CC but the next almost everyone is part of this grand church even if they do not desire to be.
 
A couple of points.
You wrongly read into this that scripture is ‘sufficient’.
Scripture making you ‘complete’ is not the same as scripture being ‘sufficient’.
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Is that sufficient enough for you?
 
All baptized are joined to the Church in spiritual unity, althought some in an imperfect spiritual unity. Protestant Christians are called separated brethren, because they are not ONE in visible unity with the one bride of Christ, the Church.
How are they saved apart from eating the flesh of the Son of Man?

“Amen, amen…unless you eat…”

You have no right to change the word of God.
 
Ralph,

What is your interpretation for how the apostles could “retain” sins?
And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”?–as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just. [Rom 3:8]
 
…you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

If a person has Christ, there are complete indeed. He is the Word!
Oh, I agree. But that’s not what you said.
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  		*All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
God proclaims that the scripture is able to make the believer “complete” and “thoroughly equipped” yet the NT does not include another earthly priesthood. How can the believer be complete without the priesthood? (…unless they are complete in Christ)*I agree that I am complete in Christ. But to me, to be complete in Christ, I need to be complete in the Bride of Christ, the Catholic Church. You mentioned recently in a post to me that one can make the bible say anything they want it to say. I agree. That’s why one needs an authority to help keep these mis-interpretations from leading people astray. You may claim the Holy Spirit does this, but I’ve seen “Holy Spirit-driven people” come up with completely opposite interpretations on the same passage.
Your interpretation that “being born of water and spirit” means the amniotic fluid comes to mind. That one still kills me! :rotfl:
So, to be complete in Christ one needs the proverbial three-legged stool - Holy Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Teaching Magisterium of the Church.
 
Then that includes that Jew and the Muslim and the heathen as well, right? They are all part of this universal church.
I don’t think I’ve ever called Jews or Moslems my separated brethren. Jews, of course, are my older brothers, but that doesn’t give them the right to reject Christ and His Church.
You vacillate back and forth. First is takes a tremendous miracle of the most unusual sort for the Jew to be saved outside of the CC but the next almost everyone is part of this grand church even if they do not desire to be.
The only thing that introduces one into the Church is a validly done baptism.

I don’t think I’ve ever claimed that anyone else was ever a member of the Church. You’ll have to show me where I’ve vacillated.

Nor do I condemn them to hell, for I leave the Judgment part up to Christ.
 
Abraham was a priest, because he was making Covenantal sacrifices. The role of a priest is to make Covenantal sacrifices.
What covenant at the time of Abraham required a sacrifice? None. The law which required sacrifices (and therefore priests) was 400 years later.

NO scripture in the Bible refers to Abraham as a priest. I doubt that any CC document refers to him as a priest either. You are out on a limb both Biblically and according to your own CCC.

Aren’t you interpreting the Bible yourself here? Who gave you the authority to interpret the Bible?

I challenge you to show me one scripture that gives you the authority to interpret the Word of God.
 
Yes I would. Just where do you think the word ‘priest’ comes from? Here’s a clue: The Greek is ‘presbuteros’, the Latin is ‘presbyter’, the Anglo Saxon is ‘proest’ and the modern word is ‘priest’. And if you don’t believe me then look it up in Merriam & Websters dictionary. So presbyters are indeed priests, at least in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.
No, again, for the Nth time, the Greek word for priest is “hiereus”. The word 'presbuteros’ means “overseer”.

The word “hiereus” is NEVER used of any leader in the NT church except Jesus ALONE.
 
What covenant at the time of Abraham required a sacrifice? None. The law which required sacrifices (and therefore priests) was 400 years later.
Melchizedek was a priest during this time of Abraham. Hebrews verifies this.
 
The origin of the Christian word for priest is quite clear and has been provided. Please feel free to use a standard dictionary to find where we get the word “priest”.
 
Yes I would. Just where do you think the word ‘priest’ comes from? Here’s a clue: The Greek is ‘presbuteros’, the Latin is ‘presbyter’, the Anglo Saxon is ‘proest’ and the modern word is ‘priest’. And if you don’t believe me then look it up in Merriam & Websters dictionary. So presbyters are indeed priests, at least in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.
Joe, looks like you are making enemies in both camps, friend.

No, I would have no problem with that as long as my relationship with God is through Jesus Christ, the one mediator between God and man. As soon as you say that my relationship with God is dependant upon another man other that Jesus, that is when I call you a liar.

Let me ask you a question. In the OT there was a priest between God and man, right? So it might look like this:

God
Priest
Man

But in the NT you claim that Jesus there remains a priest. So it looks like this:

God
Jesus
Priest
Man

Why is it that in the NT I am further away from God then I was in the old? The NT truth is:

God
Jesus
Man

For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus… [1 tim 2:5]
 
Aren’t you interpreting the Bible yourself here? Who gave you the authority to interpret the Bible?

I challenge you to show me one scripture that gives you the authority to interpret the Word of God.
Once again, you show a grave misunderstanding of the Catholic Church. We (you and I) are allowed to interpret Scripture. The problem comes when I interpret it and teach that it is true. When I do that, it cannot disagree with what the Catholic Church teaches.

You, on the other hand, have no authority to overrule your opinion when you go “out there”. Who can tell you authoritatively that your interpretation of the amniotic fluid (meaning “born of water”) is wrong. It’s that lack of authority that has produced 100’s if not 1000’s of Protestant Popes running around with their own flocks.
 
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