Do Catholics believe John 6:53?

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mikeledes said:
They are unitarian - there’s only one person in the Godhead (Jesus) but He manifests Himself as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They also believe in speaking in tongues. :confused: Is speaking in tongues against the Bible?

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Michael
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I do not have time to get into that speaking in tongues right now. The Bible says “do not forbid the speaking in tongues”, however I believe it was a sign for the unbelievers when it first started. I also believe most of it now is “babbling” and not a launguage. A little scary to me. Ralph
 
ralphy said:
I would think so. Ralph
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Actually, they don’t. Among Protestants, only Lutherans and the Church of Christ believe that baptism is necessary for salvation. Other Protestants believe that it is not, but they are divided when it comes to infant baptism. Lutherans, Presbyterians, the Reformed Church, Methodists and others are pedobaptists. However, Reformed Baptists (Calvinist), Pentecostals, and others are credobaptists. Oneness Pentecostals believe that Jesus is God, but do not believe in the Trinity. They believe that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are manifestations of one person (Jesus).

God Bless,
Michael
 
ralphy said:
I do not have time to get into that speaking in tongues right now. The Bible says “do not forbid the speaking in tongues”, however I believe it was a sign for the unbelievers when it first started. I also believe most of it now is “babbling” and not a launguage. A little scary to me. Ralph
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I’m not so comfortable myself with some of the stuff I’ve seen and heard, so I know how you feel. But do you believe that speaking in tongues is still in effect or did it end with the apostolic age? 🙂

BTW, what do you think about the Oneness Pentecostals understanding of the Godhead?

God Bless,
Michael
 
BereanRuss said:
To take this event in the Gospel and say that it is teaching that we must all pray to Elijah and Moses (when was the last time you did that?) is a clear example of reading into the text only what you want it to say. This passage is about revealing the glory of Jesus Christ that was veiled by His flesh while He walked the earth. It is not about praying to the saints.
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You boldly asked where in Scripture there was an example of Jesus praying to Saints. An example was provided. Now you’re backpedaling, Russ.
 
ralphy said:
I am really not sure who teaches scripture. I know that if the church I attend did not teach from the Bible only, I would not go there. Ralph
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All those denominations cited above teach from the Bible only, Ralph. ALL their theologies are different. How can this be if they’re teaching from the Bible only?
 
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NotWorthy:
do you think all Christian faiths agree on the necessity of baptism? The Trinity?Before our good Russ joins in and heartily agrees that Baptism is necessary, let me point out that we are talking of water baptism, as Jesus says “Water and Spirit”. Russ thinks the water part is not necessary, simply the baptism of fire of the Holy Spirit.
 
ralphy said:
What do you mean by the "baptism of water and spirit?. I also do not see the word “eucharist” in the bible, where did that word come from?. Ralph
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Breaking of the Bread,of course.All of John:6 and of course the literal words of your saviour Jesus Christ.😉
 
NotWorthy said:
Before our good Russ joins in and heartily agrees that Baptism is necessary, let me point out that we are talking of water baptism, as Jesus says “Water and Spirit”. Russ thinks the water part is not necessary, simply the baptism of fire of the Holy Spirit.
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I agree with Russ, water baptism is not necessary for salvation, like the thief on the cross, looks like he never got baptised, but went home to glory. Spiritual baptism in necessary to enter heaven, born from above. Ralph
 
ralphy said:
I agree with Russ, water baptism is not necessary for salvation, like the thief on the cross, looks like he never got baptised, but went home to glory. Spiritual baptism in necessary to enter heaven, born from above. Ralph
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Yeah, I thought you would. You tend to take the exception and make it the rule. I addressed this a few days ago where the Scripture, the teaching Magisterium, and Sacred Tradition all held to water baptism as the normal means.

There are Protestant faiths that hold to water baptism as necessary, there are some that don’t. Who’s right, Ralphy? And how do you know?
 
Hey Ralph…

You have missed the point. Paul is telling them to prophesy, and not to speak in tongues, so that the unbelievers will be able to understand them, and be* convicted of sins and judged by what you say, and listen to their secret thoughts which are exposed, at which point they will fall to their knees and worship God, declaring, “God is truly here among you.*

Again, Clearly, their secret thoughts have already been exposed to God prior to coming to the church meeting, for God sees all, therefore, their secret thoughts, which were clearly a reference to their secret misdeed, were to be exposed/confessed to the church! Again, thank God this evolved into a private confessional; save a little face. --just as the doctrine of the Trinity evolved over time.

Even so, if unbelievers or people who don’t understand these things come into your church meeting and hear everyone speaking in an unknown language, they will think you are crazy. But if all of you are prophesying, and unbelievers or people who don’t understand these things come into your meeting, they will be convicted of sin and judged by what you say. As they listen, their secret thoughts will be exposed, and they will fall to their knees and worship God, declaring, “God is truly here among you.” 1 Corinthians 14:24-25
 
BereanRuss said:
What is the context of these “binding and loosing” verses? Do they have anything to do with confession of sin?
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They have to do with establishing the disciplines of the Church, including when and how Confessions are to be done. It is clear that Christ intended us to confess our sins aloud. It was the Apostles who established a means for that. Their successors have refined various aspects of it (for example, there were no Confessionals in Apostolic times - people made their Confessions just before the start of Mass. Over time, this evolved into the Penitential Rite, and private confessions before Mass became the norm, such that, now, people go to Confession, do their penance, and then come to Mass, which begins with the Penitential Rite, and then continues into the Liturgy of the Word, followed by the Liturgy of the Eucharist, Holy Communion, and Dismissal.

Elsewhere, the Apostles are given the ability to bind and loose sins, which would be those sins that they heard confessed in the Church at the start of Mass (and today, that their successors hear confessed in the Confessional) - you cannot either bind or loose something if you don’t know what it is. The Church as a whole “binds” certain sins - abortion, for example, cannot be forgiven by the priest in the Confessional - the person has to go to the Bishop to be released from the sin of performing, advocating, facilitating, or having an abortion.
 
ralphy said:
I agree with Russ, water baptism is not necessary for salvation, like the thief on the cross, looks like he never got baptised, but went home to glory. Spiritual baptism in necessary to enter heaven, born from above. Ralph
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It seems then that water baptism isn’t necessary… as long as you are crucified right next to our Savior. Otherwise, I will believe Him through the Church He left us, the one of “He who hears you hears Me” fame and the one that still teaches the “born of water and Spirit” told to Nicodemus as well as the Apostles.
 
Earnest_Bunbury said:
It seems then that water baptism isn’t necessary… as long as you are crucified right next to our Savior. Otherwise, I will believe Him through the Church He left us, the one of “He who hears you hears Me” fame and the one that still teaches the “born of water and Spirit” told to Nicodemus as well as the Apostles.
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True. Baptism is a sharing in the Cross of Jesus Christ. St. Dismas was already sharing in the Cross of Christ, so he did not need to have the water poured over him, nor the Trinitarian formula recited over him.
 
ralphy said:
I accept the Bible as being the Word of God, and that it was written by men who were under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Magisterium, men who are infallible.? You know there is ony one infallible person, right? Ralph
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I ask again; how did a bunch of sinful, fallible men manage to codify/canonized the infallible/inerrant word of God, and I agree with you: no man is sin free; no man is infallible? The obvious answer, as per the Holy Bible is: through the Infallible inspiration, power and guidance of the Holy Spirit, Who inspired the One Holy C.C. to codify/canonized your Holy Bible! Ralph, at which point in history did the Holy Spirit stop inspiring, teaching and guiding the Holy C.C.???

Remember, you are the one that said that the C.C. taught and passed on the heretical doctrine of the true presence, as early as the turn of the 1st century, detracting from what the Holy Spirit truly taught and passed on to the Apostles, making the C.C. an apostate church, as early as the turn of the 1st century!!! The same reputed apostate church that gave you your very Holy and inerrant Bible; what’s wrong with this picture Ralph???

If the Holy Spirit had nothing to do with this bogus teaching, which was believed by all, as early as the 1st century, then perhaps He just let this one slide…no big deal!!! 👍 The important thing, is that the H.S. stuck around long enough to make sure that this apostate church, which is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth and the House of the Living God, to which Christ is the Head and Savior, accurately codifies and canonizes the word of God, at which point He stopped “guiding” her, as the bride of Christ, “forever.” After all, it was the Bible that Jesus gave to the world, not the church!!! :confused::confused::confused:

Help me out here Ralph…? I am really trying to understand where you are coming from; I use to be right where you are, a few years back.

I am not trying to be sarcastic; far from it! I am simply trying to see things through your myopic glasses; once I removed mine, life as a Christian was so much simpler, but that’s just me. If you truly believe that you are a member of the One church to which Jesus is the Head and Savior…truly a member of the House of the Living God and the Pillar and Foundation of Truth, where the H.S. teaches just one truth regarding any one truth, then you are truly Home! The question is: am I, based on the preceding scenario???
 
jmcrae said:
No one has ever claimed that Protestants get to Heaven on the basis of being Protestant. IF they are saved (which is by no means certain) it is by being joined in some unknown way to the Catholic Church.
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Are you saved?
 
PRmerger said:
You boldly asked where in Scripture there was an example of Jesus praying to Saints. An example was provided. Now you’re backpedaling, Russ.
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PR, honestly I am not sure what you are referring to when you say I am backpedaling. Did you ask me a question that I did not answer?
 
BereanRuss said:
Are you saved?
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I have been saved, I am being saved, and, Lord willing, I will be saved. 🙂

(And I signed a “4 Spiritual Laws” tract one time when I was a kid, which I think was supposed to be my written guarantee of salvation. :rolleyes: )
 
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