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This doesn’t look like a strong case to generalize that “Catholics despise Anglicans more than anyone”
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paarsurrey
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Do the AnglicanCommunionGod has different attributes from the CatholicGod, this is just for information and comparison. Any AnglicanCommunion here, please let me know.
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Keikiolu
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Close family squabbles are often, like civil wars, the (if not nastiest) most troublesome.
You’re probably misinterpreting the “sarcastic” expressions of some Catholics as anger, but I certainly wouldn’t know, as I interpret most things as sarcastic as opposed to angry most of time, which makes me “odd”,… I suppose.
Anyway, the Church harbors no actual anger at anyone, as it can’t.
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Gerry_Hunter
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As I’ve noted in other posts, for some years, I worshipped among the Anglicans. I did so in a place called the Anglican Diocese of New Westminster, where a certain Michael Ingham is the Anglican Bishop, and where same sex “marriages” are blessed, and belief in the uniqueness and divinity of Jesus Christ are not mandatory requirements (among other things). GKC’s apparent feeling for the US Epicopalians would, I suspect, apply quite well to Ingham and his minions 
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Since I’ve come back home, there have been, and as far as I can tell, will long continue to be, many Anglicans on my prayer list. These are people of courage, struggling against great adversity to cling to the truth that they have. Do I slip in a prayer that they may one day come to the fullness of the faith? Of course, because I want the best for these fine people.
That being said, there have been occasions where I have been rather pinned down concerning the goings-on I witnessed among the Anglicans in these parts. Where I was called to candour in response, I was candid, and I suppose some of what I said could be interpreted, out of context, in a manner that supports the use of the word “despise.” But that would be wrong. Make no mistake. I will have absolutely none of some of what the local Anglican heirarchy is promoting. But having none of it is not the same as despising the people.
What we need to bear in mind, it seems to me, is that when we talk about things Anglican/Episcopalian, we have to ask, which Anglicans/Episcopalians, and in what setting? Right here locally I know Anglicans who would indeed fit the description of the Sister who described them as “our closest relatives.” And I also know blatant, neo-Gnostic, apostate pseudo-Christians who bear the same denominational label. It’s all a bit confusing, actually.
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.Since I’ve come back home, there have been, and as far as I can tell, will long continue to be, many Anglicans on my prayer list. These are people of courage, struggling against great adversity to cling to the truth that they have. Do I slip in a prayer that they may one day come to the fullness of the faith? Of course, because I want the best for these fine people.
That being said, there have been occasions where I have been rather pinned down concerning the goings-on I witnessed among the Anglicans in these parts. Where I was called to candour in response, I was candid, and I suppose some of what I said could be interpreted, out of context, in a manner that supports the use of the word “despise.” But that would be wrong. Make no mistake. I will have absolutely none of some of what the local Anglican heirarchy is promoting. But having none of it is not the same as despising the people.
What we need to bear in mind, it seems to me, is that when we talk about things Anglican/Episcopalian, we have to ask, which Anglicans/Episcopalians, and in what setting? Right here locally I know Anglicans who would indeed fit the description of the Sister who described them as “our closest relatives.” And I also know blatant, neo-Gnostic, apostate pseudo-Christians who bear the same denominational label. It’s all a bit confusing, actually.
Blessings,
Gerry
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GKC
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.As I’ve noted in other posts, for some years, I worshipped among the Anglicans. I did so in a place called the Anglican Diocese of New Westminster, where a certain Michael Ingham is the Anglican Bishop, and where same sex “marriages” are blessed, and belief in the uniqueness and divinity of Jesus Christ are not mandatory requirements (among other things). GKC’s apparent feeling for the US Epicopalians would, I suspect, apply quite well to Ingham and his minions
I know of Ingham, and the problems of the Anglican Church of Canada. You are correct.
Indeed. You need a program to tell the Anglicans apart
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Della
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I was brought up in the ECUSA and if anything, the feelings went the other way. Catholics were sneered at, especially anyone who was an ethnic Catholic (there was a Polish parish in our city and a Mexican one that got most of the comments). Of course, a lot of that was racism, which, sadly, was very open and real when I was a girl.
But, even my very open-minded parents wouldn’t let me buy a print of the Sacred Heart of Jesus because it was “too Catholic.” And this even though my dad’s brother was a Catholic.
I suppose anyone from any religious community can sneer at others and their practices. But, this is quite wrong. It isn’t in the spirit of Christ nor of the NT nor of the Church.
But, even my very open-minded parents wouldn’t let me buy a print of the Sacred Heart of Jesus because it was “too Catholic.” And this even though my dad’s brother was a Catholic.
I suppose anyone from any religious community can sneer at others and their practices. But, this is quite wrong. It isn’t in the spirit of Christ nor of the NT nor of the Church.
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manualman
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A priest expressing glee at the conversion of Anglicans is hardly an expression of hatred.
Indeed, from the catholic point of view, it is something to rejoice over when someone with a proper understanding and respect for the Eucharist actually gets to receive the real thing! Again, I’m speaking from the catholic perspective. From our side of the fence, the defects in form in a generation of Anglican priests lead to a loss of genuine apostolic succession. No apostolic succession, no eucharist or confession or last rites.
Any catholic that would NOT rejoice at the conversion of a non-catholic doesn’t understand his faith very well. As for extra glee on an Anglican conversion, just see it from our side. It’s love and an understanding of the difference that makes for the glee, not disgust for the PEOPLE in Anglicanism.
Indeed, from the catholic point of view, it is something to rejoice over when someone with a proper understanding and respect for the Eucharist actually gets to receive the real thing! Again, I’m speaking from the catholic perspective. From our side of the fence, the defects in form in a generation of Anglican priests lead to a loss of genuine apostolic succession. No apostolic succession, no eucharist or confession or last rites.
Any catholic that would NOT rejoice at the conversion of a non-catholic doesn’t understand his faith very well. As for extra glee on an Anglican conversion, just see it from our side. It’s love and an understanding of the difference that makes for the glee, not disgust for the PEOPLE in Anglicanism.
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Sixtus
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Ronnock 20 posted
In Uk here, I have personal friend who is an Anglican Minister. I know of several Anglican Ministers. I have many friends who are Anglican and Lutheran. I do not have a problem with them or their denom.
I was not familiar with that. It is news to me.
In Uk here, I have personal friend who is an Anglican Minister. I know of several Anglican Ministers. I have many friends who are Anglican and Lutheran. I do not have a problem with them or their denom.
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jazzy_987
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I do not think so. For I fact, I don’t at all.
After all, Anglican and Catholic church have similar beliefs and MAY accept each other soon.
After all, Anglican and Catholic church have similar beliefs and MAY accept each other soon.
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Nighthaven
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I dislike the dissenting American Episcopalians who have single handedly managed to split the Anglican Church in America. Thankfully the Archbishop of Canterberry figured out a solution to this, but it shouldn’t of even happened in the first place.
One day talks with Catholics and Anglicans will reach the point where we will be in union with each other, but this bothersome splinter church will never enjoy such a union, which means not all members of the Anglican faith will enjoy unity.
Its too much to hope that every Anglican will pledge loyalty to the Archbishop. Unfortunately they have allowed American culture to dictate morality to them instead of the bible it self.
So yes I do dislike Anglicans, the dissenting ones, the same as I dislike dissenting Catholics.
One day talks with Catholics and Anglicans will reach the point where we will be in union with each other, but this bothersome splinter church will never enjoy such a union, which means not all members of the Anglican faith will enjoy unity.
Its too much to hope that every Anglican will pledge loyalty to the Archbishop. Unfortunately they have allowed American culture to dictate morality to them instead of the bible it self.
So yes I do dislike Anglicans, the dissenting ones, the same as I dislike dissenting Catholics.
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nonsumd
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As others have said, it would not be very Catholic for a Catholic to “despise” anyone. In any case, I do not believe Catholics in general are any more dismayed or put off by Anglicanism than by other Protestant movements (yes, I know many Anglicans protest at being classified with Protestants). In fact, I believe many Catholics appreciate how much Anglicans retained from Catholicism.
Henry VIII, erstwhile “Defender of the Faith” against Lutheranism, perhaps scandalizes Catholics rather more than Luther or Calvin, since his motives for breaking with Rome were personal and political rather than doctrinal (and whereas Calvin had the anti-trinitarian Servetus burned, Henry VIII had Thomas More beheaded).
I say Anglicanism in general cannot disturb Catholics any more than other forms of Protestantism, because there does not seem anymore to be anything you can pin down as “Anglicanism in general.”
It’s not a just a question of there being “Re-Catholicizing” Anglicans at one end of the house and “Presbyterianizing” Anglicans at the other with Methodists setting up their own bungalow in the backyard.
Now there are Anglicans like Bishop Spong who can barely be said to believe in God, at least one that corresponds to that of historical Christianity. If anything is despicable, it is self-satisfied tirades like Spong’s against the Christianity that Catholics, Orthodox, and most Protestants all profess.
As for the Eucharist, is it true that an Anglican can believe anything he or she wanted to about it, from it being the literal Body and Blood of Christ to it being a mere symbol?
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PauloFreire2
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Many people don’t ever fully accept converts.
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mary_bobo
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This may be what is true in your case, but I have been a Catholic for probably more years than you have lived and I have never, ever heard anything about another religion in church.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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Catholics are rather keen on Catholicism - so they seem to assume that
*]everyone else ought to be
*]the wonderfulness of the CC is clear as day
*]all other Christianities can be judged as though they were meant to be like Catholicism- that’s human nature It’s no different in kind (AFAICS) from the assumption that the USA is the model for all other nations: which sometimes turns up in some curious forms.
); & Anglicans are part of “the opposition”, the non-Catholic massa damnata (as they would once have been regarded): but nothing more, I think.
If there is such an attitude - maybe it comes from the fact of there being so many likenesses between the two; but that is sheer guess-work.
Besides, a lot of religious people despise a lot of religions - the Web is full of sites expressing anything but enthusiasm for religions other than the site-master’s own; & that is too is human nature
- that’s human nature
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brotherhrolf
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You know something, Mary? Me neither. In my entire life, I have never heard a priest assail another faith from the pulpit - not even before Vatican II. My diocese has a cordial relationship with our local Episcopalian churches. Our choir director for many years was/is Episcopalian. My choir sang for the wedding of one of our choir members to an Episcopalian and “blew it” because there are only slight differences between the two liturgies. (Choirs have these organic reflexes to sing certain responses [even when said responses are different]). I don’t have any reason to despise Episcopalians/Anglicans. Non-issue as far as I’m concerned.
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Allweather
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I actually went to an Anglican church for a couple of months back during my conversion process, over 20 years ago. The reasons I went there aren’t important. But I did investigate them. They were a delightful congregation, very old. No young people at all. I don’t think there was anyone there under the age of 45. Small congregation, too. I never saw more than about 50 people at church, and this was an old, stone building that could easily accomodate several hundred people. Obviously, at one time it had been a thriving community. But when I was there, it was dying off. I found the worship similar to Catholic liturgy, but not the same. I may’ve found more to like there if it had been a thriving church, but the fact that they were fading away just cast a pall on it for me, so I stopped going there.
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Greg27
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One should be careful with broad-brush stroking of Catholics into one box. I have no hatred of Anglicans; they helped me a lot on my own faith journey in Christ.
Anglicans of course are not in full communion with the Church so that presents a lot of problems in terms of ecunical matters, but nowhere are Catholics encouraged or enjoined to hate them.
Anglicans of course are not in full communion with the Church so that presents a lot of problems in terms of ecunical matters, but nowhere are Catholics encouraged or enjoined to hate them.
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paarsurrey
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The Catholics should not despise the Anglican, and resolve the petty differences through dialogue and peaceful discussions. Love solves problems not hatred.
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Muhammad had a marvelous record of a peace loving person for 40+13+2=55 years, he joined in welfare activities if there was any in Mecca, he helped the needy and in distress, he stood for the human cause, he never harmed any person. His record in these 55 years is clean by any standards.
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BelFarfalla
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The title of this thread has really bothered me because, well for one thing it is just not true. I don’t think that the thread was started to cause problems, but it surely can be misinterpreted.
Paarsurrey, you have misunderstood this thread. There is not hate between Anglicans and Catholics. I don’t know anyone, Catholic or Anglican who holds the history of centuries ago against anyone of today. No one who lived today was involved in what happened in the 1500’s.
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paarsurrey
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What happened in the 1500’s, by the way?
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The first forty years i.e. before Muhammad was appointed ProphetMessenger by GodAllahYHWH has been offered as a reasonable argument/challenge in Quran before Infidels-of-Mecca, and they could not deny its truthfulness.
Muhammad had a marvelous record of a peace loving person for 40+13+2=55 years, he joined in welfare activities if there was any in Mecca, he helped the needy and in distress, he stood for the human cause, he never harmed any person. His record in these 55 years is clean by any standards.
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