Do Catholics despise Anglicans?

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JoyforCatholic said:
To get back to the main “Question” of the Thread-- Do Catholics Despise Anglicans–

my experience thus far with a Catholic wife (married almost 10 years, known each other for 13), Catholic Friends and now becoming a Catholic-- I’d answer that in general, NO.

In reality, this seems a bit silly to even be asking-- If anything, I have found a tremendous amount of charity in Catholics towards Protestants of all stripes; be they Anglican, Lutheran, Baptist, etc. It is usually the opposite from the other side though towards Catholics.

It is still considered acceptable and “en vogue” if you will, to have anti-Catholic prejudices in American and the West today. Many of the more rabid Protestants simply say that such anti-Catholic bias is “proof” of Catholics being “fallen” from God and the Gospel, etc. It really is the kind of bigoted remarks one expects of Klansmen and White Supremacists and Nazis/Fascists.

What my experience in the Continuing Anglican “church” Movement has lead me to believe, although I didn’t want to at first, that many of the CLERGY in its movement probably do harbor anti-Catholic sentiments due to the problems they have with submission to the authority of the Holy Father. This is only my opinion and speculation however it is based on my own experience there.

I want to be clear that I am NOT talking about the Episcopal Church (TEC). While the TEC has its own issues with the whole “sexual identity crisis” going on right now; they are are for the most part MUCH more charitable about their clergy who come home to the Church-- I’d refer you to the kind comments given in regards to Michael Herzog, former Episcopal Bp. of Albany who “swam the Tiber” earlier this year-- the public praise of Mr. Herzog were given by his successor in Albany.

The main issue, from what I can tell, that Anglicanism (especially the Continuing “church” part) has is that it on this search for identity-- it says it is both “protestant” and “catholic” yet in reality is much more the former than the latter because it’s like saying one is a little bit pregnant-- no, you either are or are not. One can’t be Catholic AND protestant. One is merely Protestant at that point.

While you have the CC types who are searching for the “validity” of their orders and other things they simply can’t bring themselves to recognize (or accept is a better word) what Cardinal Newman, Cardinal Manning, Monsignor Ronald Knox (the son of the Anglican Bp. of Winchester) and Monsignor Hugh Benson (the son of the Abp. of Canterbury) and countless others saw (my humble self included)-- that the FULLNESS of CATHOLIC FAITH is found in the Chair of Peter and those Bishops in Communion with the Successor of Peter-- the Holy Father, the Pope.

THIS HUBRIS is what keeps many an Anglican (at least in the CC clergy circles, in my opinion from my experience) practicing Protestants and outside the Ark of the Catholic Church.

St. Thomas More, Pray for us!

In Christ the Lord
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As I said once before, what you found amongst the Continuum clergy, and what I find, differs, more than a little. I find it far more likely that Continuing Anglican clergy, so far from harboring anti-Catholic sentiments, proclaim themselves, and their Church, part of Catholicism (as in the placard framed in the narthex of my parish church). Now, no doubt this raises a whole 'nother piscine kettle, but resentment of the Catholic Church, or the Roman variety thereof, ain’t part of it.

Mileage, as all know, may vary. That’s my experience.

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus
 
JoyforCatholic said:
To get back to the main “Question” of the Thread-- Do Catholics Despise Anglicans–

my experience thus far with a Catholic wife (married almost 10 years, known each other for 13), Catholic Friends and now becoming a Catholic-- I’d answer that in general, NO.

In reality, this seems a bit silly to even be asking-- If anything, I have found a tremendous amount of charity in Catholics towards Protestants of all stripes; be they Anglican, Lutheran, Baptist, etc. It is usually the opposite from the other side though towards Catholics.

It is still considered acceptable and “en vogue” if you will, to have anti-Catholic prejudices in American and the West today. Many of the more rabid Protestants simply say that such anti-Catholic bias is “proof” of Catholics being “fallen” from God and the Gospel, etc. It really is the kind of bigoted remarks one expects of Klansmen and White Supremacists and Nazis/Fascists.

What my experience in the Continuing Anglican “church” Movement has lead me to believe, although I didn’t want to at first, that many of the CLERGY in its movement probably do harbor anti-Catholic sentiments due to the problems they have with submission to the authority of the Holy Father. This is only my opinion and speculation however it is based on my own experience there.

I want to be clear that I am NOT talking about the Episcopal Church (TEC). While the TEC has its own issues with the whole “sexual identity crisis” going on right now; they are are for the most part MUCH more charitable about their clergy who come home to the Church-- I’d refer you to the kind comments given in regards to Michael Herzog, former Episcopal Bp. of Albany who “swam the Tiber” earlier this year-- the public praise of Mr. Herzog were given by his successor in Albany.

The main issue, from what I can tell, that Anglicanism (especially the Continuing “church” part) has is that it on this search for identity-- it says it is both “protestant” and “catholic” yet in reality is much more the former than the latter because it’s like saying one is a little bit pregnant-- no, you either are or are not. One can’t be Catholic AND protestant. One is merely Protestant at that point.

While you have the CC types who are searching for the “validity” of their orders and other things they simply can’t bring themselves to recognize (or accept is a better word) what Cardinal Newman, Cardinal Manning, Monsignor Ronald Knox (the son of the Anglican Bp. of Winchester) and Monsignor Hugh Benson (the son of the Abp. of Canterbury) and countless others saw (my humble self included)-- that the FULLNESS of CATHOLIC FAITH is found in the Chair of Peter and those Bishops in Communion with the Successor of Peter-- the Holy Father, the Pope.

THIS HUBRIS is what keeps many an Anglican (at least in the CC clergy circles, in my opinion from my experience) practicing Protestants and outside the Ark of the Catholic Church.

St. Thomas More, Pray for us!

In Christ the Lord
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All you English Confessors and Martyrs, pray for us.
 
Nella said:
So what? Luther had a higher calling and had the courage to do what others before him were burned at the stake for (by the RCC). Your Catholic spin on history and all of your reading with extreme Catholic bias doesn’t change the truth.
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My spin?

Who are you to decide that was the higher calling? By what criteria?

EDIT: Just noticed Nella was banned.

Oh well. Good luck to Nella.
 
Nella said:
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I do not agree with you. I came from a Catholic parish where coffee hour after mass may as well have been called bashing Protestants hour. Anglicans were always at the top of the list with such cheap shots as: they think they are us, they aren’t smart enough to be real Catholic people and they are just watered down Catholics and not real ones of course. That is Anglican bashing in the purest form.
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Nella-- such bashing as you describe would be considered uncharitable and definitely NOT what Our Lord expects or demands of any of us. The fact is that “bashing” does go both ways, and like I said the title of the thread is somewhat assumptive in that it asks us to pose the question of whether or not Catholics Despise and Entire Group of Protestants-- I would hope they do not, but I do know this-- the Church officially does not condone or teach such “despising” of separated Brethren (i.e. Protestants).

Remember that in one of the Books of Common Prayer there were indeed prayers against the Pope in the General Litany, I believe. They were later removed, as they ought to have been.

To others who responded to my post of yesterday-- I think the general “anathema” that certain Continuing clergy hold against Rome is much more widespread than you would want to believe-- it certainly surprised me to see it come out when I decided to come home to the Church.

But then again the whole “Continuing Anglican” movement is a strange animal-- it’s more a cult of personality and competing personalities than anything else which is why when I read “press releases” (always by these groups and never from Rome) that they are seeking greater unity with Rome I take it with a grain of salt-- it’s part and parcel of their search for recognition and thus legitimacy. I hope the Holy Father and the Vatican are aware of just what colorful characters some of these folks are.

Our Lady of Walshingham Pray for Us!

In Christ the Lord,
 
Nella said:
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I do not agree with you. I came from a Catholic parish where coffee hour after mass may as well have been called bashing Protestants hour. Anglicans were always at the top of the list with such cheap shots as: they think they are us, they aren’t smart enough to be real Catholic people and they are just watered down Catholics and not real ones of course. That is Anglican bashing in the purest form.
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You claim that you were a Catholic, and seemingly the reasons why you left had nothing to do with doctrine. You seemed to have departed because we as a group of believers despise and thrash non-Catholics, particularly Anglicans.

Those Catholics you associated with seemed to be an awful bunch. They didn’t have anything better to do after Mass but to bash Protestants, particularly Anglicans. We are told we have to accept what people say here as the truth, and not call them liars.

Fine. These Catholics, however, seemed out of the ordinary for a group of believers. If they were just average people, and I am giving them the benefit of a negative doubt, I really wonder whether you were not just looking for trouble.

If you want to run a survey to find out who were the biggest group of murderers, robbers, thieves, child abusers, theives, liars, adulterers, Catholics would, according to you, far outdistance any other group.

You seem to find threads that have to do with bad personalities, wrong-doings, sins of all kinds, which can be attributed to Catholics, and to nobody else. You avoid any discussion of doctrine or theology. You’ve been challenged on this before, several times, including by myself.

Please tell us why you left the Catholic Church, and why your choice of sects was so much the better, whether it has to do with doctrines of Justification, Predestination, the Sacraments, the Mass, the Pope, Councils of the Church, Mariology, Soteriology, whatever.

We all would love hearing from you some doctrinal discourse of
what it is you believe and profess, rather than bashing the rest of us on this Board.

Peace

P.S. If you continue to bash us, I am going to make a formal protest that you have outworn your welcome here, and be removed from participation.
 
“To others who responded to my post of yesterday-- I think the general “anathema” that certain Continuing clergy hold against Rome is much more widespread than you would want to believe-- it certainly surprised me to see it come out when I decided to come home to the Church.”

For myself, it is not a question of what I want to believe. It is a question of what I have observed. No doubt it is the same for you. But we have observed different things.

GKC
 
Nella said:
Please… This is unsubstantiated propaganda and nothing better than rumors. This is really despicable. Come on.
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Believe it or not, the Augustinians are actually proud that Luther rose from one of their number. I am a frequent visitor to an Augustinian Priory. I am familiar with the affection they place on him. They would not lie. Why would they?

I suggest that you read for yourself. I am astonished that you did not know this. If you prove me wrong, then I will go on the internet and publish a full retraction and apology.

In Christ
 
Nella said:
I have dealt with them, in fact if you want truth, you should change your signature because you are truly no Episcopalian.
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I do not know if Contarini is Episcopalian. What I do know is that have read his/her posts with interest. I am astounded at the breadth and depth of knowledge. I stand in awe of Contarini.
 
Sixtus said:
I do not know if Contarini is Episcopalian. What I do know is that have read his/her posts with interest. I am astounded at the breadth and depth of knowledge. I stand in awe of Contarini.
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Count me in too.🙂
 
Contarini said:
Well, it’s a weird question. What Episcopalians are out to kill you or to do any of the things you mention?

Edwin
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My dear Contarini. My statement is a rhetorical one. It is not to be taken literally.

I merely drew attention to the fact that I had been personally targeted by a manager at work in a former job who was an Episcopalian who tried to destroy my marriage by phoning my wife when I was at work, to tell her I was with my gay lover. I have never been unfaithful gay or otherwise. This caused major problems for me.

He did tell me that he ‘was out to sack me as he was at war with Catholicism’.

I am not saying that all Episcopalians are of that mindset. On the contrary, I am sure there are good and bad in all denoms. I merely referred to my problems. By contrast, within Anglicanism in UK have many friends including clergy. I for one do not hate anyone including Episcopalian or Anglican. ON the contrary, see them as my seperated brethren where the emphasis is on ‘brethren’ not ‘seperated’

In Christ
 
Sixtus said:
I do not know if Contarini is Episcopalian. What I do know is that have read his/her posts with interest. I am astounded at the breadth and depth of knowledge. I stand in awe of Contarini.
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From what I have read, he/she seems quite offensive to Episcopalians especially Nella. I don’t stand in awe of that for sure.
 
NO! This Catholic does not ‘despise’ Anglicans. This Catholic hopes they will come home to Rome! There looks to be further splits coming as they continue to change what ideas will be tolerated/ accepted this year. And next year it may be something else.

I go to an Anglican Use parish when I visit my folks in San Antonio. I invite all Episcopalians to vist www.Atonementonline.com for some reasons why they should come home to Rome!

Ave Maria!
 
Thank you John Paul II! He allowed the anglican use, and it is a blessing to so many.

Of blessed memory, JPII you are in my heart always:)
Ave_Maria said:
NO! This Catholic does not ‘despise’ Anglicans. This Catholic hopes they will come home to Rome! There looks to be further splits coming as they continue to change what ideas will be tolerated/ accepted this year. And next year it may be something else.

I go to an Anglican Use parish when I visit my folks in San Antonio. I invite all Episcopalians to vist www.Atonementonline.com for some reasons why they should come home to Rome!

Ave Maria!
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Hellisreal said:
Thank you John Paul II! He allowed the anglican use, and it is a blessing to so many.

Of blessed memory, JPII you are in my heart always:)
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I agree with that. Anglicans are our brethren. 🙂

I very much regret that some of the postings I have made on this thread have been driven more by emotion than charity. :o

I apologise to my Episcopalian brethren and humbly ask your forgiveness.
 
I certainly can’t say I despise Anglicans (or anyone merely based on their religion). I’d say I owe a serious debt to my Anglican upbringing, without which, I may never have found my way into the Catholic Church.

It was my love and appreciation for the English saints such as Thomas Becket that helped me realize that to be truly “Anglican” I had to come into full communion with those great men and women. (Having Joseph Ratzinger elected Pope helped speed the decision making process along quite a bit, too!) 😃

I do know that quite a few former Anglicans (and most Continuing Anglicans) harbor quite a bit of resentment, not so much towards Anglicans, but against the leadership (or lack thereof) in the AC. (Which I see as an inherent weakness in Anglican ecclesiology).
 
Sixtus said:
I do not know if Contarini is Episcopalian. What I do know is that have read his/her posts with interest. I am astounded at the breadth and depth of knowledge. I stand in awe of Contarini.
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He’s a good and decent person, and quite a fine scholar to boot.
 
To speak to the OP for a moment, in my experience (K-12 Catholic school etc.), I cannot recall any of my teachers in school or the priests giving homilies ever saying a critical word about Protestants at all, much less Anglicans/Episcopalians in particular.

I started reading about history from a very young age, so, if anything, it was my personal reading of conventional history books (without any pro-Catholic bias in them at all) that gave me negative ideas about Protestantism – and, oh yeah, seeing televangelists and media coverage gave me some ideas too. But that did not give me any ideas about Anglicanism in particular.

I just think Luther himself would find strange the sorts of people who consider him their hero.

I once knew an Anglican who thought Bishop Spong’s “Christian” atheism was the best thing since sliced bread; he lionized Luther. At the thought of such an Anglican, Henry VIII, who after all didn’t stop opposing Luther’s ideas just because he himself broke from Rome, must be spinning in his grave!

The dominant mythology of our US society is secular, and its main rival is Protestant fundamentalism. Strategic alliances each side makes with Catholicism notwithstanding, the one thing those two rivals can agree about is that the Catholic Church has been the great villain of history. Hence, the strange spectacle of atheists and secularists taking Luther’s “I stand here and can do no other” as the birth of modern individualism and burning candles and laying wreaths in his honor.

Luther would have such people burned at the stake or at the very least poured the same sort of invective on them as he did on the Jews, for instance.

I myself have come to be rather ambivalent at Luther. I can respect the earnestness of his quest for Jesus – there is much in his writings of great spiritual value. He could have been a great saint of the Catholic Church. But alas he invented sola fide, sola scriptura, abridged the scriptura, made alliances with secular princes that ultimately resulted in what Edwin/Contarini has described for the separate Englsh case as “idolatrizing the state,” etc., etc.
 
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