Do Catholics faver Mary over Jesus?

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Ricardo Gomez:
But then, a mutilation caused by physical pain is called what?
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Excuse me for interjecting. But I believe it’s called “self-flagellation” or “self-mortification”.
 
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NonDenom:
Hi Cats
I noticed a similer question on this forum, and while it is a good one I have to answer NO, I don’t favor Paul over Jesus. I also don’t recall hearing anything about Paulian devotion going on among Protestants. This also prompted me to ask a similer question to Catholics.
Do Catholics with all the Marion devotion, favor Mary over Jesus?
Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
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No.
 
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NonDenom:
Hi Cats
I know that you are having loads of fun but you are totaly missing the boat here. When that child is kneeling down beside the bed or that Prot is kneeling down at the pew they are not praying to that object. That child is not saying their prayer to the bunny, the prot is not directing their prayer to the pew. When a Catholic kneels down in front of a statue of Mary and then prays to Mary it looks like you are praying to that statue. I’m not saying that you are I’m just telling you how some others see this.
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This is not addressing your original question: i.e. “Do Catholics Favor Mary Over Jesus?” The simple answer to that question - as many have already stated - is “No.”

Your latest comment addresses the Catholic tradition of using statues or icons as aids in prayer - a broader issue than Marian devotion.

It has been well addressed by other posters and established to you multiple times that Catholics are not taught by the Church to pray to statues. We use a statue or a crucifix or a candle, as a visual aid to focus our prayer (just like some protestant churches do). It’s a cultural issue more than any sort of doctrine. Statues aren’t required, but they are part of our Church history and they aid us when we reflect about those who went before us in Christ.

Consider that if you pray with your bible in your hand you not praying to your bible? If you put your hand on your heart or remove your hat during the pledge of allegiance or the singing of the national anthem you are not worshipping the flag? Are you worshipping your pastor when you refer to him as “Reverend?” Of course not. So it’s silly to assume that just because a Catholic is kneeling in prayer before a statue is somehow worshipping that piece of plaster.

Also, I think it’s been stated already but, outward movements and gestures like kneeling or bowing do not equal prayer or worship and to think that is the case is to have a very juvenile understanding of the concept of worship. (I liked the statement about having to “correct” the japanese from worshipping each other when they bow. lol)

In short, you have moved from questioning doctrine to questioning Catholic culture. I think your questions arise from a failure to understand the Catholic culture - not from any prejudice. These forums are a great place to learn more about Catholic culture and doctrine. Best of luck in your search.

-Peace
 
Ricardo Gomez:
If you could direct me to this accurate information I would be glad to here it, thanks.
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You can read Not made by hands by Thomas Sennott.

A Hand Book on Guadalupe.

And don’t forget that Pope JPII said that Our Lady of Guadalupe the patron Saint of North America.

Mark 9:24 I do believe, help my unbelief
 
There are anti-RCC here in this forum,who disguised themselves as Catholics to sow confusion and chaos about the true teaching of the Church.I hope R Gomez,is not one of them! How can a practicing RC,favor the Blessed Virgin Mary over Jesus.This is the perception of many Protestants and ex-RCs, which is absolutely incorrect!
 
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SusanL:
Also, what do you believe? Do you believe that we are worshipping Mary or do you believe us when we say we’re not?
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NonDenom: You haven’t answered my question. What do you think?
 
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Lillith:
NonDenom…would you please not call us cats? I personally take the time to spell out protestant, because prots is offensive, can you not extend us this courtesy?
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Oooooh, so that’s what he meant when he said “Hi Cats”, he meant Catholic.

I just thought he was in a band.:hmmm:
 
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NonDenom:
Hi Cats
I know that you are having loads of fun but you are totaly missing the boat here. When that child is kneeling down beside the bed or that Prot is kneeling down at the pew they are not praying to that object. That child is not saying their prayer to the bunny, the prot is not directing their prayer to the pew. When a Catholic kneels down in front of a statue of Mary and then prays to Mary it looks like you are praying to that statue. I’m not saying that you are I’m just telling you how some others see this.
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I notice you conveniently glide past the obvious here…
The child bows to the bunny. The other children bow to the bed. The evangelical Christians I grew up around bow to the pews. Yet, you have no problem with that, because (I quote you): “they are not praying to that object”.
Gee, how do you know??? Because you don’t have a vested interest in proving that Baptists & Methodists worship pews, nor that protestant children worship beds.
You clearly* do* have a vested interest in “proving” that Catholics worship Mary…because if you could just prove that, all your little ducks would fall into a row…Well, sorry, but you are simply succeeding making yourself look perfectly ridiculous, instead. The only thing you have proved, is that you don’t know what you’re talking about…(My grandmother would have told you that you “don’t know beans from onions”…but, since she was one of those people that “worship pews”, so you probably aren’t interested…)
Sheeshhhh…
 
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silvano:
There are anti-RCC here in this forum,who disguised themselves as Catholics to sow confusion and chaos about the true teaching of the Church.I hope R Gomez,is not one of them! How can a practicing RC,favor the Blessed Virgin Mary over Jesus.This is the perception of many Protestants and ex-RCs, which is absolutely incorrect!
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ok, there is no such thing as MANDAS, and yes, I have to confess: nobody practices physical pain in the name of our Virgin Mother.

I hope such a statement could make some people happy even if it is a lie.

Mr Gonez
 
And don’t forget that Pope JPII said that Our Lady of Guadalupe the patron Saint of North America.
Without reading the recomended book, I still think is more like an act of faith.

Mark 9:24 I do believe, help my unbelief
 
Ricardo,
Not one person in this very long thread has said, “Yes… I favor Mary over Jesus.” I don’t and I don’t know anyone who does… The Catholic Church doesn’t teach that Mary is “more important” than Jesus - And so this is how I feel… if somebody does favor her over Jesus, that’s between him & God. I’ll let God deal with that… I’m busy working on overcoming my own sins…

Blessings to you,
CM
 
Yes, some catholics does favor Mary over Jesus in practices, but not all catholics are like this. This is wrong practices (thus not the teaching of the church). One should pray to Jesus more than to Mary.

To believe too much in our own works drive us to believe more in Rosary and Novena than in the bible teachings. And I would say it openly and out loud : this is not good. Rosary and Novena is good to help when one is so “distressed” so he can’t pray anymore… then he need help from mother Mary and the Saints. This is OK. But if we put our hope in Rosary and Novena to solve our problems… “the more accurate the novena, the better”… this is wrong, thus not a good practice of faith. Mary and the Saints are to testify Jesus to us. They are not supposed to be the focus. We are to focus on Jesus only.

No matter how holy Mary and the Saints much more holy is God in Jesus Name. We are to see Mary and Saints as our “human examples” but Jesus as our “brightest star”, in whom our we put our deepest hope of salvation. God is our healer, our provider, our protection, our counsel, our redeemer, the mediator of the covenant is Jesus. Mary is the ark of the covenant in the sense that she carries Jesus’s body for nine months. But we are to believe in Jesus, we are the ark of the covenant forever in Jesus Name provided we carry this covenant in our hearts and hold on to it. Mary believes “the good news” (the annunciation) so she becomes the ark, so are we to believe in the good news, we carry God’s covenant in our hearts always.
 
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francisca:
Yes, some catholics does favor Mary over Jesus in practices, but not all catholics are like this. This is wrong practices (thus not the teaching of the church). One should pray to Jesus more than to Mary.

To believe too much in our own works drive us to believe more in Rosary and Novena than in the bible teachings. And I would say it openly and out loud : this is not good. Rosary and Novena is good to help when one is so “distressed” so he can’t pray anymore… then he need help from mother Mary and the Saints. This is OK. But if we put our hope in Rosary and Novena to solve our problems… “the more accurate the novena, the better”… this is wrong, thus not a good practice of faith. Mary and the Saints are to testify Jesus to us. They are not supposed to be the focus. We are to focus on Jesus only.

No matter how holy Mary and the Saints much more holy is God in Jesus Name. We are to see Mary and Saints as our “human examples” but Jesus as our “brightest star”, in whom our we put our deepest hope of salvation. God is our healer, our provider, our protection, our counsel, our redeemer, the mediator of the covenant is Jesus. Mary is the ark of the covenant in the sense that she carries Jesus’s body for nine months. But we are to believe in Jesus, we are the ark of the covenant forever in Jesus Name provided we carry this covenant in our hearts and hold on to it. Mary believes “the good news” (the annunciation) so she becomes the ark, so are we to believe in the good news, we carry God’s covenant in our hearts always.
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Your first and last paragraphs are ‘mostly’ okay, but your second paragraph shows that you don’t understand the rosary, or novenas…the rosary is a prayer not only dedicated to Mary, but Our Lord as well - in fact we dwell on Christ’s life, death and resurrection as focal points in the rosary. Not only that, but it is not soley for the purpose of praying to get out of a ‘hard time’ but to enlighten our spiritual lives. We should pray for many purposes besides hardships, but also in thanksgiving, and perseverence, others, etc…What then do you think about many of the saints that took to praying the rosary many times a day? (For example, it was said that Padre Pio prayed the rosary some 30 times a day, every day.)
 
Just like there are Bible Christians who are not examples of proper behavior, you will find Catholics who can be used as examples of the same.

I recently watched a video in which they “proved” wrongness of Catholicism by watching some peoples actions and judging them rather than checking what does the Church really teach. They even had some Pastor saying “I have seen some Catholics do this”

This is attacking perception instead of true Catholic teaching. Very similar to the examples used humorously in this thread.

I appreciate your honesty in asking Catholics what they think and I believe you have recieved very clear answers that we do not place Mary over Jesus, this is just a common mis-conception which is tossed around.

If you would get a chance to read a book about the Mass you would see that Catholic worship is all about Jesus.

God Bless
Scylla
 
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" judging them rather than checking what does the Church really teach."

What I have been doing after I found out what the Vatican’s opinion is on the subject, is talk to the Catholic preachers who are not aware of it. Because it may seem illogical, but there are a lot of Catholic preachers, who preach with exageration over our Virgin Mother’s role in our search for salvation.

No body is making it worst than those who are just making unaccurate comments instead of helping in the matter.

Mr gonez
 
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Eden:
You asked what mutilation by physical pain is called and I said it’s called self-flagellation or self-mortification.

I understand what you are saying, and while most of us practice some form of mortification or self-flagellation (cuaresma), to suffer physical pain or mutilation without the proper spiritual growth won’t take us any where. A person with the proper spiritual growth won’t practice such a thing, however.

Now that you mention it, at the beginning of chapter 2 of the Davinci Code a practice like the one we are talking about is mention isn’t it?
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