Do Catholics faver Mary over Jesus?

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Hi Cats
I noticed a similer question on this forum, and while it is a good one I have to answer NO, I don’t favor Paul over Jesus. I also don’t recall hearing anything about Paulian devotion going on among Protestants. This also prompted me to ask a similer question to Catholics.
Do Catholics with all the Marion devotion, favor Mary over Jesus?
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NonDenom:
Hi Cats
I noticed a similer question on this forum, and while it is a good one I have to answer NO, I don’t favor Paul over Jesus. I also don’t recall hearing anything about Paulian devotion going on among Protestants. This also prompted me to ask a similer question to Catholics.
Do Catholics with all the Marion devotion, favor Mary over Jesus?
Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
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You’ll be happy then to know that, NO Catholics don’t emphasize Mary over Jesus. I think it may seem like we do to those Protestants who only mention her at Christmas, as if she had no more to do with Jesus’ life and ministry than to give birth to him. We Catholics often wonder why that is. Can you tell us? 🙂

And what is meant by some Protestants favoring Paul over Jesus is that some emphasize what they think Paul taught over what they think Jesus taught, because Paul’s words are easier to spin to mean just about anything anyone wants them to mean. Which is precisely why Peter warned people in 2 Pet. 3:16, citing: “There are some things in them [Paul’s writings] hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction.” Now, I’m not saying that you or your particular Protestant denom is doing that, but it is certainly true that there are those who do, which is why we ought to be very careful to read Paul’s theology in the light of the Gospel Jesus taught and not the other way around.
 
NonDenom, your answer is fair.

Many, including myself at times, claim Protestants only care about the epistles of Paul. And you seem to be making the point that the same could be said with respect to Catholic devotion to Mary.

But I detect a difference. A non-Catholic, like you, can tell me straight out that you don’t place Paul on equal footing with Jesus, and I believe you. I take your answer at face value.

Yet when Catholics clarify the role of Mary, we state that we do not worship her. We identify longingly with her because - face it - Christ took her DNA literally within himself to walk the earth. She’s not a deity and she ought not to be worshiped; but she’s not an ordinary girl either!

Anyway, we try to tell you guys that we don’t worship Mary, and still the attack-videos get made by the anti-Catholic kooks, as if it has never been sincerely explained to them many, many times. And the charge gets perpetuated, as you have just done.

Isn’t that sad?
 
Actually, we believe that Mary brings us closer to Jesus. When we pray the Rosary, we are meditating on the life, death and resurrection of Jesus as seen through the eyes of Mary.

Mary always points us to her son. That’s a beautiful thing.
 
The whole issue here has to do with the fact that our Virgin Mother has been related to the chapter 12 of the book of Revelation.
Most of us, Catholics, decide to attack our protestant brothers when it comes to Mary. When in reality there are thousands of “Catholics”, who will mutilate their bodies Dec/12 of every year.

Does any body has a commentary with spiritual content regarding the issue?

Please, let’s grow a little each day.
 
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NonDenom, your answer is fair.

Many, including myself at times, claim Protestants only care about the epistles of Paul. And you seem to be making the point that the same could be said with respect to Catholic devotion to Mary.

But I detect a difference. A non-Catholic, like you, can tell me straight out that you don’t place Paul on equal footing with Jesus, and I believe you. I take your answer at face value.

Yet when Catholics clarify the role of Mary, we state that we do not worship her. We identify longingly with her because - face it - Christ took her DNA literally within himself to walk the earth. She’s not a deity and she ought not to be worshiped; but she’s not an ordinary girl either!

Anyway, we try to tell you guys that we don’t worship Mary, and still the attack-videos get made by the anti-Catholic kooks, as if it has never been sincerely explained to them many, many times. And the charge gets perpetuated, as you have just done.

Hi Cats
I hear what you are saying, but there is one problem. Protestants don’t bow before a statue of Paul and pray to that statue. That is why Prots say that you worship Mary. It’s the old if it smells, sounds and looks like a duck then it must be a duck thing. If I were to go in my front yard and kneel before a statue, my neighbors wouls say that I’m worshiping that statue. You can’t blame people for thinking this. It may not be as it appears, the problem is, that is what it appears to be.
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NonDemon

How should we respond to the Ark?

😃

:confused:

:hmmm:

John chose to call Mary the Ark of the new covenant…

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven: and the ark of his testament was seen in his temple. And there were lightnings and voices and an earthquake and great hail. (DRB)

and remebering that there were origionally no chapter or verse numbers…

Rev 12:1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.
Rev 12:2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth: and was in pain to be delivered. (DRB)

see the similarity of structure here? and of course we must remember that this references Isaiah…

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and his name shall be called Emmanuel. (DRB)

to make things short the conclusion is: The ark is the woman (paralel structure), the woman is the Virgin (fulfillment of prophecy). So then how are we to respond to the ark?
 
I think that it might appear that way to some who don’t understand Catholics.
Jesus is our Brother/our Friend and Mary his Mother and we show love and respect for our Brother/Friend in respecting His/our Mother.
 
Ricardo Gomez:
Most of us, Catholics, decide to attack our protestant brothers when it comes to Mary. When in reality there are thousands of “Catholics”, who will mutilate their bodies Dec/12 of every year.

Does any body has a commentary with spiritual content regarding the issue?

Please, let’s grow a little each day.
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What the heck are you talking about?

:hmmm:
 
Ricardo Gomez:
The whole issue here has to do with the fact that our Virgin Mother has been related to the chapter 12 of the book of Revelation.
Most of us, Catholics, decide to attack our protestant brothers when it comes to Mary. When in reality there are thousands of “Catholics”, who will mutilate their bodies Dec/12 of every year.

Does any body has a commentary with spiritual content regarding the issue?

Please, let’s grow a little each day.
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ehhhhhhhhhh???

Michael :confused:
 
Non-Denom, may I reccomend you read the absolutely brilliant book, Christs Mother and Ours by Fr. Oscar Lukefahr. It’s excellent for explaining Catholic veneration of Mary, the scripture behind it etc.

You can get the book for free through the Catholic Home Study Service. As I live in the UK it took a few months for me to get it but as you are American you should recieve it much quicker.

Michael 😃
 
Hi Cats
I hear what you are saying, but there is one problem. Protestants don’t bow before a statue of Paul and pray to that statue. That is why Prots say that you worship Mary. It’s the old if it smells, sounds and looks like a duck then it must be a duck thing. If I were to go in my front yard and kneel before a statue, my neighbors wouls say that I’m worshiping that statue. You can’t blame people for thinking this. It may not be as it appears, the problem is, that is what it appears to be.
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See, you’re doing it here. We tell you we are not praying to the statue, and just because you think it looks like we are, well then, we must be right? Wrong. Statues are a reminder, a visual reminder. They help some people to become recollected. Do you honestly think we believe the statues are divine or that we are worshipping man-made items? Could so many people be that delusional? Use your logic. We tell you we’re not praying to statues; take us at our word. If I saw you in your front yard kneeling at a statue, I’d say that statue is helping you to think more deeply about our Lord…I’d think that statue were reminding you of something, just as our photos remind us of something. I wouldn’t jump to the first conclusion I came up with based on my thoughts–I’d assume what someone told me time and time again, ad nauseum, were how it was. I guess it wouldn’t hurt to remind you that “appearances can be misleading or is it ‘deceiving?’.” We’re supposed to act differently because some Protestants jump to incorrect conclusions? How about taking people at their word. I’m curious as to how many Protestants have actually been to a Catholic Mass to see exactly how it is we worship and adore our Lord, rather than just rely on what someone tells them.

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NonDenom wrote:
Protestants don’t bow before a statue of Paul and pray to that statue. That is why Prots say that you worship Mary. It’s the old if it smells, sounds and looks like a duck then it must be a duck thing. If I were to go in my front yard and kneel before a statue, my neighbors wouls say that I’m worshiping that statue. You can’t blame people for thinking this. It may not be as it appears, the problem is, that is what it appears to be.
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Ah, but merely bowing/kneeling is not worshipping. This is particularly hard for Americans to understand because we don’t have royalty. Bowing is a sign of respect, not worship. True worship means offering up a sacrifice of some sort. The simple act of bowing or kneeling in prayer is not worship. American Protestants have adopted bowing/kneeling as worship, in place of sacrifice, so naturally they equate bowing/kneeling to worship. It is a difference of perception and intention between us.

There is no reason why we Catholics ought to give up our perfectly legitimate practices solely because Protestants misunderstand what we are doing. Protestants ought to take the time to find out what Catholics are truly doing, and what we mean by what we are doing before accusing us of idolatry, don’t you think? 😉
 
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NonDenom:
Hi Cats
I noticed a similer question on this forum, and while it is a good one I have to answer NO, I don’t favor Paul over Jesus. I also don’t recall hearing anything about Paulian devotion going on among Protestants. This also prompted me to ask a similer question to Catholics.
Do Catholics with all the Marion devotion, favor Mary over Jesus?
Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
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No.

Trick
 
“Hail Mary full of grace the lord is with you, blessed are you amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.” Are you disgusted yet? you shouldn’t be this is right out of the Bible.

“Holy Mary, Mother of God”…relates to full of grace and the fact that Jesus is God and Mary is his mother. “pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death”
a petition for Mary whose faith was perfect, to pray for us to the lord.

LK 1 46 And Mary said, "My soul magnifies the Lord, 47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, 48 for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed;

It is biblical
 
Our Lord Jesus Christ is the bridegroom. That makes Mary our mother-in-law. How should we treat our mil?
Lukelion
 
No

Catholics don’t worship statues either, they are reminders. Kinda like a person kissing a photo of his kids.

Now we have to tell the Japanese to stop worshipping each other since they bow to one another.

See we need to not judge or see things with the eyes of men, God knows the heart.

God Bless
Scylla
 
When a young man ask a woman to be his bride, he often drops down to one knee. Is the young man worshipping his future bride? Of course not. He is simply showing her respect.

Back to the original question. ONe of the aspects of Catholisim that impresses me is its ability to read bible text in context. There are some Protestants who don’t do this. ALthough you can not make generalized statements about Protestants, there are some extreme fundamentalists that seem to ignore any verse that doesn’t agree with their own predetermined beliefs. Among these there does seem a tendency to over emphasize Paul at the expense of Jesus. As NonDenom has made the point that he doesn’t do this I will take his word for it. 🙂
 
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