Do Catholics have the same unity with Muslims as they do with Protestants?

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Do Catholics have the same unity with Muslims as they do with Protestants?

Sometimes it’s simply a misunderstanding since forum site conversation is very limited. However, it seems to me that some on here believe Catholics have the same unity with Muslims as the do with Protestants (baptized in Triune formula). I think that is incorrect scripturally and the Catechism of the Catholic Church too. What are your thoughts on the issue in our pluralistic world? Does it even matter that Protestants are united to Christ and Muslims are not in Catholic theology?

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Christian_Unity said:
Do Catholics have the same unity with Muslims as they do with Protestants?

Sometimes it’s simply a misunderstanding since forum site conversation is very limited. However, it seems to me that some on here believe Catholics have the same unity with Muslims as the do with Protestants (baptized in Triune formula). I think that is incorrect scripturally and the Catechism of the Catholic Church too. What are your thoughts on the issue in our pluralistic world? Does it even matter that Protestants are united to Christ and Muslims are not in Catholic theology?

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One who believes in Jesus Christ is obviously closer in communion with the Catholic Church than one who is not. One who has been validly baptized has definately entered into the family of God.

One who has not been afforded the opportunity to know Christ, however, cannot be viewed as one who would reject Christ. Only God knows that. Along the same lines, one who has not been validly baptized, through no fault of their own, cannot be viewed as rejecting baptism. Again, only God knows.

And then there are those who call themselves Christian who reject the most fundamental beliefs of Christianity, the source and summit of the Christian faith; the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

There are some who call themselves Christian and yet are quite polytheistic, as in the case of the LDS Church. We have more in common with Islam than we do with Mormonism.

The degree to which we are in unity with any religion or Christian ecclesial community varies greatly and is dependent upon, in the Christian community, how much of the apostolic faith one has rejected and how much one has kept. Outside of the Christian world we have to view what we have in common; Do we both believe in one God? That’s a good start. Do we have any common scriptural background? A belief in the God of Abraham would be a good thing. That may be where it ends and that would be the extent of unity between us.
 
SteveVH said:
One who believes in Jesus Christ is obviously closer in communion with the Catholic Church than one who is not. One who has been validly baptized has definately entered into the family of God.

One who has not been afforded the opportunity to know Christ, however, cannot be viewed as one who would reject Christ. Only God knows that. Along the same lines, one who has not been validly baptized, through no fault of their own, cannot be viewed as rejecting baptism. Again, only God knows.

And then there are those who call themselves Christian who reject the most fundamental beliefs of Christianity, the source and summit of the Christian faith; the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

There are some who call themselves Christian and yet are quite polytheistic, as in the case of the LDS Church. We have more in common with Islam than we do with Mormonism.

The degree to which we are in unity with any religion or Christian ecclesial community varies greatly and is dependent upon, in the Christian community, how much of the apostolic faith one has rejected and how much one has kept. Outside of the Christian world we have to view what we have in common; Do we both believe in one God? That’s a good start. Do we have any common scriptural background? A belief in the God of Abraham would be a good thing. That may be where it ends and that would be the extent of unity between us.
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How about the Catechism of the Catholic Church since that source calls Protestants (baptized in Triune formula) separated brethren in Christ. That has to have significant theological truth to it.
 
I have never heard or seen a Muslim denigrate Mary. They believe that of all born of woman, only Mary and Jesus were not touched by the devil at their birth. Even if an imperfect understanding, that is a very unifying aspect, just as we are united in the Body of Christ with all believing, baptized Christians. The Semitic Muslims are the seed of Abraham, so that is another aspect to consider. We call all to unity, as God loves each.
 
po18guy said:
I have never heard or seen a Muslim denigrate Mary. They believe that of all born of woman, only Mary and Jesus were not touched by the devil at their birth. Even if an imperfect understanding, that is a very unifying aspect, just as we are united in the Body of Christ with all believing, baptized Christians. The Semitic Muslims are the seed of Abraham, so that is another aspect to consider. We call all to unity, as God loves each.
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Do you believe you have the same unity with Muslims as with Protestants because of Mary instead of Christ?
 
po18guy said:
I have never heard or seen a Muslim denigrate Mary. They believe that of all born of woman, only Mary and Jesus were not touched by the devil at their birth. Even if an imperfect understanding, that is a very unifying aspect, just as we are united in the Body of Christ with all believing, baptized Christians. The Semitic Muslims are the seed of Abraham, so that is another aspect to consider. We call all to unity, as God loves each.
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I too have never heard Muslims denigrate Mary, but I have heard then denigrate Jesus, proclaiming him to be just a man, with some believing that he did not die on the cross but escaped and lived out his earthly life in India.

Of course we are closer to most Protestants in terms of unity, we share the same Sacrament of Baptism which puts us in partial communion.
 
Fr_P said:
I too have never heard Muslims denigrate Mary, but I have heard then denigrate Jesus, proclaiming him to be just a man, with some believing that he did not die on the cross but escaped and lived out his earthly life in India.

Of course we are closer to most Protestants in terms of unity, we share the same Sacrament of Baptism which puts us in partial communion.
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The Quran specifically teaches that Jesus was not crucified.
 
Christian_Unity said:
The Quran specifically teaches that Jesus was not crucified.
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1 Corinthians 15:14

“And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.”

If Jesus did not die, there is no resurrection, and without resurrection there is no salvation. I am glad I am not a Muslim.
 
Fr_P said:
I too have never heard Muslims denigrate Mary, but I have heard then denigrate Jesus, proclaiming him to be just a man, with some believing that he did not die on the cross but escaped and lived out his earthly life in India.

Of course we are closer to most Protestants in terms of unity, we share the same Sacrament of Baptism which puts us in partial communion.
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Here is another point Father P. When a Protestant who was baptized in the Triune formula and converts to the Catholic Faith, we know that the Catholic Church will not rebaptize that convert. I’m sure it’s the same for Orthodox Christians and other Triune Christians too who convert to the Catholic Faith.

So, why do Mormon Christians and other non-Triune worshipers of God have to be baptized when they convert to the Catholic Faith? If baptism is considered when Catholics are born again, how can the Church teach that non-Christian religions can lead to Heaven without partaking in the sacrament of baptism?
 
Christian_Unity said:
Do Catholics have the same unity with Muslims as they do with Protestants?

Sometimes it’s simply a misunderstanding since forum site conversation is very limited. However, it seems to me that some on here believe Catholics have the same unity with Muslims as the do with Protestants (baptized in Triune formula). I think that is incorrect scripturally and the Catechism of the Catholic Church too. What are your thoughts on the issue in our pluralistic world? Does it even matter that Protestants are united to Christ and Muslims are not in Catholic theology?

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The souls of people matter to me as a Catholic and the Church. In terms of religious unity…as far as I am concerned we have no unity with Islam. With some non Catholic denoms we are closely related…with others, not. If someone thinks that muslims identify or feel unity with Christians of any stripe…perhaps reading a newspaper or two would be in order.🤷
 
Christian_Unity said:
So, why do Mormon Christians and other non-Triune worshipers of God have to be baptized when they convert to the Catholic Faith? If baptism is considered when Catholics are born again, how can the Church teach that non-Christian religions can lead to Heaven without partaking in the sacrament of baptism?
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I hope I don’t offend anyone, but I don’t believe Mormons are Christians. it’s there cosmology which convinces me!

For those who have not had the opportunity to receive Christian Baptism there is always Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood. I personally don’t presume that non-Christians have heard the Gospel and rejected it. There is still much work for us to do!
 
Christian_Unity said:
Do you believe you have the same unity with Muslims as with Protestants because of Mary instead of Christ?
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Of course not.

It is just that no Muslim will ever insult the woman that bore Christ. Neither do demons, in the course of exorcisms, ever dare to insult Christ’s mother.

An awful lot of “Christians”, in apparent attempts to insult the Catholic Church, belittle or make common Christ’s own mother.

You can really and truly benefit from a copy of Catholicism for Dummies. Do you have one?
 
Christian_Unity said:
Do Catholics have the same unity with Muslims as they do with Protestants?

Sometimes it’s simply a misunderstanding since forum site conversation is very limited. However, it seems to me that some on here believe Catholics have the same unity with Muslims as the do with Protestants (baptized in Triune formula). I think that is incorrect scripturally and the Catechism of the Catholic Church too. What are your thoughts on the issue in our pluralistic world? Does it even matter that Protestants are united to Christ and Muslims are not in Catholic theology?

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[bibledrb]Matthew 20:1-16[/bibledrb]

BTW you have some questions left unanswered in other threads. Take your time but not too long. 🍿🍿
 
po18guy said:
I have never heard or seen a Muslim denigrate Mary. They believe that of all born of woman, only Mary and Jesus were not touched by the devil at their birth.
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The Qur’an actually devotes more attention to Mary than does the New Testament. As for ‘being touched by the devil at birth’ there is no concept of Original Sin in Islam, period. Yes, Jesus and Mary are both considered sinless, but most Muslims regard all the Prophets as sinless.
 
Fr_P said:
I too have never heard Muslims denigrate Mary, but I have heard then denigrate Jesus, proclaiming him to be just a man, with some believing that he did not die on the cross but escaped and lived out his earthly life in India.
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You’re referring to the Ahmadiyya sect, I believe. In Pakistan they aren’t even considered Muslims. Of course no Muslim thinks Jesus is God, but there is certainly nothing in the Qur’an which denigrates him.
 
Fr_P said:
I too have never heard Muslims denigrate Mary, but I have heard then denigrate Jesus, proclaiming him to be just a man, with some believing that he did not die on the cross but escaped and lived out his earthly life in India.

Of course we are closer to most Protestants in terms of unity, we share the same Sacrament of Baptism which puts us in partial communion.
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Indeed. Islam is not a revealed religion, and there is no evidence that I am aware of that Muhammad tested the spirit that spoke to him. Any religion that denies that Christ came in the flesh is false, by definition. Yet, all religions have some element of truth in them, else they would be flatly rejected.

What strikes me is that demons will not insult the Blessed Virgin, so they tempt man to do their work for them. After having difficulty with Catholic Marian doctrine for years, I now realize that she is the key to unity, as her entire purpose is to lead us to Christ. This is especially true with the Muslims.
 
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