Do Catholics Have to Vote for Romney

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Vatican’s Declaration on Procured Abortion says

Man may never obey a law which is in itself, immoral and such is the case of a law which would admit in principle, the liceity of abortion. Nor can he take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law or vote for it.
Voting for a law is not the same thing as voting for a person. So this declaration does not prove that you must vote for Romney, who has over the course of his life expressed a variety of positions on this such laws. This lack of direct application is a counterbalance to the argument about proportionality with other issues.
 
Voting for a law is not the same thing as voting for a person. So this declaration does not prove that you must vote for Romney, who has over the course of his life expressed a variety of positions on this such laws. This lack of direct application is a counterbalance to the argument about proportionality with other issues.
Every politician has a plan of what they would do/their views regarding marriage, abortion. If you vote for politcian know is pro gay marriage, pro abortion, you are voting for that platform to be enacted in to law just like any other issue such as health care that you would vote for them and then that be enacted
 
The Electoral College was exactly what the founders envisioned. They certainly didn’t trust direct democracy. That’s why they gave us a representative republic.

Not only that, they originally envisioned that the Senate would not be elected by the people of each state, but elected by the various State legislatures, while the Representatives in the House would be elected by the people in each Congressional district. Personally, I think the original system was better than the current system.

And no party can ‘end abortion’ simply by being in power for 8 years. The ‘right’ to abortion came about through a supreme court decision, and can only be overturned by the SCOTUS (which requires a case be presented to it) or by constitutional amendment. And Justices serve for life, so a president doesn’t get to just put in who he wants when he wants. He also has to get any nominee through the Senate approval process.

It’s a frustating system. But tyranny is worse, including popular tyranny. Politics is the art of the possible.
there was a way-they just didn’t want to do the hard work-and that brings to the question of WHY. If being against abortion is so important to the GOP, all those people we have been voting for since the 1970’s…why was that not a major priority as soon as they had that majority? Did anyone even try?

Bottom line-the GOP NEEDS this issue. How many people, just on this board have admitted that the major reason that they are voting for Romney is because of the abortion issue? If they end abortion, they run the risk of losing a major voting block-people who don’t look at anything else the Party does and votes for them on this one issue.
 
Every politician has a plan of what they would do/their views regarding marriage, abortion. If you vote for politcian know is pro gay marriage, pro abortion, you are voting for that platform to be enacted in to law just like any other issue such as health care that you would vote for them and then that be enacted
Not true. Politicians are people and they change their minds. They are a complicated combination of views toward many different issues. It is not as simple as a straight up or down vote on a single issue.
 
Not true. Politicians are people and they change their minds. They are a complicated combination of views toward many different issues. It is not as simple as a straight up or down vote on a single issue.
or more accurately-they say what they need to say on the campaign trail and it’s only after they get elected that we find out what their real priorities are. If I have a huge voting block that will vote for me if I say I will do this ONE thing-don’t you think I’m going to say it?

Which is worse-the person who admits that he’s not going to do anything to change something-or the person who says he’s going to work hard for something and then does nothing?
 
Actually, that’s only true by the American definition of the term. Nelka is British, and by Commonwealth usage, the USA is all at once a federation, a republic, and a representative democracy. The three emphasise different aspects and are not considered exclusive. Any how, that’s just semantics. 🙂
 
Actually, that’s only true by the American definition of the term. Nelka is British, and by Commonwealth usage, the USA is all at once a federation, a republic, and a representative democracy. The three emphasise different aspects and are not considered exclusive. Any how, that’s just semantics. 🙂
Right–you beat me to saying that. Also, it’s true that politicians, including democrats, will say what they need to say to be elected–we all know that. Plus, Romney has promised that he will attempt to repeal the Affordable Healthcare Act (not the HHS) on his first day in office. Am I going to vote for someone whose first act in office will be to ensure that I, along with many I love and a large part of the country, including a huge bloc of children, will be denied healthcare because they cannot afford insurance or their work does not offer it? Not likely.

On the other hand, do I feel that Obama has done enough for the country that it outweighs his views on abortion, in which case I might well vote for him? Not really. Frankly I was disappointed in his performance. Therefore, I may not vote at all.
 
I’m not really impressed with either party or candidate, so I might just write in somebody. Usually i write in a joke candidate (last election it was Chuck Norris), this time IDK, maybe Ron Paul (i’m sorry he is a joke of a candidate, even if his ideas are good).
 
there was a way-they just didn’t want to do the hard work-and that brings to the question of WHY. If being against abortion is so important to the GOP, all those people we have been voting for since the 1970’s…why was that not a major priority as soon as they had that majority? Did anyone even try?

Bottom line-the GOP NEEDS this issue. How many people, just on this board have admitted that the major reason that they are voting for Romney is because of the abortion issue? If they end abortion, they run the risk of losing a major voting block-people who don’t look at anything else the Party does and votes for them on this one issue.
Did anyone even try what? A constitutional amendment? No. Legislation? Yes, a lot of it. A bill banning partial birth abortion was passed by GOP led congresses three times and vetoed by a Democratic president each time. In nearly every state in the union, over the past 40 years, attempts have been made to limit abortion through legislation. Those attempts have been fought tooth and nail by pro-abortion Democrats at every level, blocked in the legislatures, and when that didn’t work, lawsuits filed in the courts! Republican presidents have put in place the Mexico City policy to limit U.S. support for abortion overseas. Democratic presidents have overturned the policy. There has been a lot of pro-life activity going on, and it has been opposed nearly every step of the way by pro-abortion Democrats.
 
there was a way-they just didn’t want to do the hard work-and that brings to the question of WHY. If being against abortion is so important to the GOP, all those people we have been voting for since the 1970’s…why was that not a major priority as soon as they had that majority? Did anyone even try?

Bottom line-the GOP NEEDS this issue. How many people, just on this board have admitted that the major reason that they are voting for Romney is because of the abortion issue? If they end abortion, they run the risk of losing a major voting block-people who don’t look at anything else the Party does and votes for them on this one issue.
Romney’s stance on abortion,is probably the major consideration for faithful Catholics,however,even if that weren’t in the equation,he would still get my vote because I believe he and Ryan will be able to pull our country out of the economic malaise we are living,Obama wants to fundamentally change our country and not for the good of the people. His idiology is counter intuitive to the principles upon which our country was founded.
 
Not true. Politicians are people and they change their minds. They are a complicated combination of views toward many different issues. It is not as simple as a straight up or down vote on a single issue.
That is not how Catholic teaching on voting works, there is no route to voting for a pro abortion politician in the hope of that person changing their mind. There is no guarantee of that happening
 
Based on my understanding Catholics are forbidden to vote for Obama, so are you then compelled to vote for Romney? Can you not vote for president at all (and just vote for issues or smaller races) or maybe vote for a third party candidate?
A vote for a thrid party candidate is a vote for Obama.🙂
 
Life has no guarantees. But let’s compare:

Romney is a good role model. As a possible President and leader of the most powerful country on earth, we need to realize, he is openly against:

Abortion
Same-sex marriage
Embryonic stem cell research

This is a step in the right direction and he chose a running mate who professes the same things.

Or do we want a sitting President who is a bad role model, and who is openly for:

Abortion
Same-sex marriage
Embryonic stem cell research

I mean, vote for who you want, or not. But I’m not voting for Obama because he is enabling the Culture of Death.

Finally, if anyone says you can’t impose your beliefs or desires or wants on the people, remind them that they are voting for what they believe, want and desire for themselves. It is not logical to believe that anybody who votes is not voting for what they want no matter who they are.

Peace,
Ed
 
I can’t vote for someone who openly wages war on religious freedom and is pro choice. It goes against what our church holds most important and that’s the sanctity of life. And in my opinion someone who is openly pro choice shouldn’t be allowed to take communion. Just my opinion though
 
That is untrue. Please show me where the USCCB has stated this. In fact, they state that Catholics should NOT be “single issue voters”. The church is a CHURCH, not a political party.
The USCCB is NOT the catholic church. Take your advice and directions from Rome.

I’m going to write in Rick Santorum, or myself.
 
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