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Lapey
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“Do Catholics know when the Bread and Wine become Jesus’ Body and Blood?”
The prayers of consecration and the host is lifted, this is called the “epiclesis”. It takes place during the Liturgy of the Eucharist, after the Liturgy of the Word which the two parts make up the Catholic mass.
Sorry, I for got to say, YES I worship Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. He has made it clear to Me that He is truly there when I kneel in front of Him and stare into His face. Adoration is a great way to enter into some of the most grace filled moments you can experience.
First thing is most important however, you must believe or be open and invite Him to show yoou His presence. Do that and as He has done for me, He will show you He is the Eucharist and the Eucharist is Him!
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schaick
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I do believe in the real presence in, under and with the bread-sacramental union. Paul is recognizing the bread and wine and the body and blood.-
1 Corinthians 11
27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.
Jesus commanded us to eat, drink- nothing is said about worshipping. For the sacrament to **come to completion **we must eat and drink.
Were talking about this on another thread:
TriuneUnity #46 explained it:
*We would say that the entire process includes consuming the elements. Without a reception of the elements the sacrament is not being celebrated validly. So, for example, we would not consider the consecration of the host to be valid if it’s done for the sole purpose of eucharistic adoration without eating and drinking. However, that is different than saying the real presence isn’t there.
As to dogmatically stating when the presence is there or how long it remains is beyond our confessions. We are satisfied with simply observing the Lord’s command. Receptionism is troubling, in that it makes the presence dependent on the actions of the communicant, rather than on the promise of the Word. *
Bluegoat #68 said
*In Anglicanism many would say that the Body and Blood are there objectively, but we receive them by faith. So like any sacrament, we must assent to participate in it to the level we are able to offer assent and understanding. *
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twopekinguys
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twopekinguys!
Does this mean that you are two friends? If you are one you cannot be both Catholic and Protestant. It would be like saying you are both night and day, black and white?
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It is explained on our profile, so there really should be no confusion.
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Soutane
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We do NOT adore Mary.Adoration is reserved for God alone.That is why when the consecrated host(Christ Himself)is placed in the monstrance for the people to see it is called"Adotation".We venerate Mary-HUGE difference.
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Soutane
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“Jesus commanded us to eat, drink- nothing is said about worshipping. For the sacrament to come to completion we must eat and drink.”
Nothing is said about not worshipping either or anything FORBIDDING Adoration.You forget that Catholics are not Sola Scripturists and reject that concept as heretical.We believe in addition to Holy Scrioture,in Holy Apostolic Tradition as well as the Divine and HS protected teaching authority of the Magisterium.The Host IS CHRIST just the accidents remain.Look up the meaning of memorial in Koine Greek-it is much more than the meaning of memorial in english.I wouldn’t DARE not worship Him in that Sacramental form.He is God.
Nothing is said about not worshipping either or anything FORBIDDING Adoration.You forget that Catholics are not Sola Scripturists and reject that concept as heretical.We believe in addition to Holy Scrioture,in Holy Apostolic Tradition as well as the Divine and HS protected teaching authority of the Magisterium.The Host IS CHRIST just the accidents remain.Look up the meaning of memorial in Koine Greek-it is much more than the meaning of memorial in english.I wouldn’t DARE not worship Him in that Sacramental form.He is God.
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Ignatius
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The Eucharist is Jesus Christ!
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schaick
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There is scripture forbidding the worship of man-made ogjects, graven images.
I find it interesting that using GOD’s Word as our final authority in matters dealing with how to be closer to GOD, our salvation as heretical.
blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Luk&c=22&v=1&t=KJV#conc/19
in remembrance g364 ἀνάμνησις anamnēsis
Shows the use of the word remembrance in other Bible verses, nothing about worship:
blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=remembrance&t=KJV
I have been asking for some time about the Sacred Traditions. Is worshipping the Eucharist a tradition that must be followed for one’s salvation?
Not talking about whether there is real presence or not-that is a given.
Can you show me how the Apostles worshipped the Eucharist and the chain of passing that tradition down - beginning with Peter?
The focus of our worship is Jesus during our entire service, including during the Lord’s Supper, but His worship remains outside the Eucharist…
Does your entire service focus on Jesus and is then shifted from Jesus to the Eucharist?
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GKC
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Again, one worships Christ, in the Eucharist. That’s what it is, after consecration…Christ’s Body and Blood, soul and divinity. Christ. No one necessarily expects you to agree with this. But that you comprehend it is increasingly in doubt. There is no distinction between Jesus, and His Body and Blood, in the Eucharist.
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TriuneUnity
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Ha.
Well, the 39 Articles are very “Protestant” on the issue of adoration. Because the Articles present a Reformed understanding of the Supper, they don’t consider it to be His true body and blood. Therefore, I suppose it would only be logical not to adore it or process with it.
From a Lutheran perspective, the eucharist is surely worthy of worship because it IS Christ. Worship at the receiving of Christ is entirely appropriate. However, we are not given any instruction to adore it (as in a monstrance) or process with it, therefore, we don’t.
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mullenpm
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The time I spend in front of the Tabernacle and in Adoration of the Holy Eucharist is the most important and happiest time of my life.:heaven:
Of course, Catholics adore the Holy Eucharist - it is the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Savior Jesus Christ.
Oh, if you only understood - and I will pray that you may some day truly understand.:hug3:
Of course, Catholics adore the Holy Eucharist - it is the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Savior Jesus Christ.
Oh, if you only understood - and I will pray that you may some day truly understand.:hug3:
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Rence
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All of them do.
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ccolley
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I think the most compelling argument for Christ’s Real Presence and the reason the we worship Him when we worship the Eucharist, is this story…
On the evening of the last day of his October 1995 visit to the U.S. Pope John Paul II was scheduled to greet the seminarians at St. Mary’s Seminary in Baltimore. It had been a very full day, beginning with Mass at the Oriole Park followed by a parade through the downtown streets.
The Schedule was tight so the plan was to simply greet the seminarians while they stood outside on the steps. But, Pope John Paul II made his way through their ranks and into the building. His plan was to first make a visit to the Blessed Sacrament. When his wishes were made known, security personnel quickly flew into action ahead of the Pope. Their activities included a sweep of the building, paying closest attention to the chapel where the Pope would be praying. For this purpose, highly trained dogs were used to detect any persons who might be present.
The dogs are trained to locate living people in collapsed buildings after earthquakes and other disasters. These intelligent and eager canines went through their rounds int he halls, offices and classrooms quickly and were then sent into the side chapel where the Blessed Sacrament is reserved. Upon reaching the tabernacle, the dogs sniffed and whined and pointed, refusing to leave. They were convinced that they discovered SOMEONE there and firmly remained, their attention riveted to the tabernacle until called out by the handlers. We Catholics know they were right, they found a REAL LIVING PERSON in the tabernacle.
Jesus is not present WITH the bread and wine…it is no longer bread and wine…but it is JESUS Himself! AND we DO worship Him! AMEN!
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dcana
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As many persons have said, the Eucharist is Jesus, and we worship Jesus. End of story. However, we don’t only worship Him in Eucharistic Adoration. We worship Him who is the Eucharist at every Mass. Excuse me, but why are we on our knees? When the priest elevates the Host we say “My LORD and my GOD!” The question should be, do Protestants worship their “eucharist,” which we know is in fact nothing but a “cookie,” as Jack Chick would say, and some wine? Nevertheless. If not, why not? Could it be that deep down, maybe subconsciously, they know, quite correctly, that nobody is there? I’m sure there are many who do believe, however, and I’m deeply sorry that they have never tasted of the symbolic bread of which Jesus said that whoever eats of it has eternal life within them. Way to go, Luther! :bighanky
may he rest in your eternal peace, Lord, if it is possible)
may he rest in your eternal peace, Lord, if it is possible)Quite right! One must not worship any man-made object. To do so is idolatry.
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Soutane
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I already have but you either missed it or ignored it
“Does your whole service focus on Jesus and is then shifted from Jesus to the Eucharist?”
At the instant of consecration the bread and wine cease to exist only the sensal accidents remain the Eucharist is Jesus Christ on the Altar Himself in Sacramental form.there is NO difference between Christ and the Eucharist; the confection of the Eucharist BY GOD through the priest makes Christ as physically present as he was at the last supper,calvary and the wedding feast of heaven.These are not reenactments or any thing symbolic the actual Last Supper,Crucifixtion and the wedding feast in heaven are made simultaneously kpresent on the altar and of course Christ is there physically.During consecration the congregation kneels in adorative worship the altar boy rings one bell as notice that Christ is coming and at the moments of consecration rings the bells three times to signify Christ’s presence on the altar.Then we obey His command to eat His Body and Drink His Blood else we will have no Life Withihn us.At Benediction a Consecrated host-Christ Himself is placed in a monstrance for adoration and worship.It is thrilling and overwhelming to be kneeling several feet from God Himself albeit in sacramental form.The Peace that pervades the Church and congregation is palpable and moving.I invite you to experience Eucharistuc adoration yourself.There are a plethora of prayers that can be said privately but you will experience a peace that syrpasses all understanding.If it was bread and we believed it only represented Christ we would be idolators.But because it is Jesus Himself we are not.
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Bill_Pick
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I adore Jesus present in the Eucharist and in the tabernacle
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