Do Christians Admit that Muslims are Correct?

[Judas_Thaddeus]

No we don’t. They are the ones who need to prove that we did, since they came afterwards.

So…Christians do nothing and let Islam deceive as it wills…?
Don’t Agree!

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

I did not say Muslims are of Abraham, though it is an important point to make that
traditionally, the Arabs are supposed to be the descendents (or at least people of)
Ishmael, whom God did not forsake in the desert. Does that make Islam correct?
Not at all, but that is missing the point.

I did not say “Because Muslims claim the abrahamic God we should consider Muslims
of Abraham?”, but what I’m saying is that we should not cast them aside and have
nothing to do with them ever on the basis that Islam is nothing like Christianity.

When a Muslims says “Jesus wasn’t Crucified”, the Christian who says he believes
in a different Jesus should have no real reason to correct the Muslim, because they
are talking about two different Jesuses, Christian is right on his Jesus, Muslim cor-
rect on his as well, and there is no reasonable chance to share the Gospel.

If, however, the Christian accepts the idea that the Muslim believes in the same Jesus,
but the Muslim said Jesus wasn’t crucified, NOW the Christian has a common ground
to work with the Muslim and there is indeed hope for sharing the Gospel.

Who said anything about casting them aside? Simply don’t recognise they are “abrahamic” whatever that might mean in anyway. Nor do they have the true God.

 

[cath4alltime]

I don’t believe it is accurate to label God as Christian or Muslim or Jewish or what have you. There is only one God who has created all. What is different is the way we view God and worship him. Our expectations and understanding of God may differ, but God remains the God of all since he is the creator and father of all. I can admit that the God we all worship is one, but this doesn’t mean our visions of God are the same or approach the truth in uniformity. I believe the vision of the Father which Jesus presented us through his life and ministry and ultimately his death and resurrection is the greatest understanding of God we can have this side of the beatific vision. It is not a vision shared by our Muslim or Jewish brothers and sisters, but this doesn’t make God a different God.

I respectfully disagree

 

[drac16]

I find it refreshing that you, Judas, are taking the time to investigate Islam with intellectual integrity, rather than going to a bunch of anti-Islam websites and regurgitating their arguments. Christians would do well to imitate your behaviour.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

I find it refreshing that you, Judas, are taking the time to
investigate Islam with intellectual integrity, rather than going to a bunch of anti-Islam
websites and regurgitating their arguments. Christians would do well to imitate your
behaviour.

Thank you, I still disapprove of Islam, please bear in mind, but there’s a lot
of false junk information on the web and the researching Christian ought to
be careful, otherwise they end up looking pretty stupid.

 

[Seeking_Truther]

Having read some Islamic writings I have come to this contrasting conclusion…according to the Bible God delights in making and keeping his promises. This is a very stark contrast to ‘Allah’ who, in my opinion, is presented in the Koran as being capricious. Allah is subject to whims, impulses, and can be quite unpredictable at times. This convinced me that they are not one in the same.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Having read some Islamic writings I have come to this contrasting conclusion…according to the Bible God delights in making and keeping his promises. This is a very stark contrast to ‘Allah’ who, in my opinion, is presented in the Koran as being capricious. Allah is subject to whims, impulses, and can be quite unpredictable at times. This convinced me that they are not one in the same.

Now you seem to be focusing on the name “Allah”, as though it has no connec-
tion to God, EVEN THOUGH it is used by Arabic speaking Christians and Jews.

Also, the question wasn’t “Do Christians and Muslims believe in the same God?”,
the question was “Do Christians Admit that Muslims are Correct?”, and by your
answer, I’m inferring that you say “Yes, Muslims are Correct.”

 

[agnes_therese]

Now you seem to be focusing on the name “Allah”, as though it has no connec-
tion to God, EVEN THOUGH it is used by Arabic speaking Christians and Jews.

Also, the question wasn’t “Do Christians and Muslims believe in the same God?”,
the question was “Do Christians Admit that Muslims are Correct?”, and by your
answer, I’m inferring that you say “Yes, Muslims are Correct.”

Looks more to me like Seeking Truther said exactly the opposite.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Looks more to me like Seeking Truther said exactly the opposite.

Not really, because if God worshiped by Muslims is “not” the same as God worshiped by
Christians, then the Christian cannot say that Muslims are wrong about God, because
“clearly” they are not talking about the same God.

Muslims say “Jesus wasn’t really Crucified.” Now how, pray tell, is the Christian supposed to
argue that point when he/she rejects the idea that they are talking about the same Jesus?

That’s the barrier I am trying to break.

 

[rinnie]

Muslims believe in One God, that he is NOT a Triune Being, that Jesus is NOT the Son of God, NOR was
he actually crucified, that the Holy Spirit is nothing more than the angel Gabriel, and so much more.

Will the Christian refute all those beliefs about God? or will the Christian simply say
that the Muslim believes in a different god, a different Jesus, and leave it at that?

I ask because once the Christian identifies the God believed in Islam as not referring
to the same God in Christianity, that is in my mind admitting that Muslims are correct.

The Muslims can say that Jesus was not really crucified, but how can the Christian say
that this Muslim is incorrect when the Christian says that this is a different Jesus?
What should actually occur is to explain that Jesus was crucified, reveal how the prophets
foresaw that event, prove what it means for us, and that the Qur’an and Muhammad are wrong.

I go by the teachings of my Pope. He says they have the same God as I.

It kinda goes like this. If it is raining outside and someone says no its not. Does that mean its not? Of course not,

So if they say Jesus is not God does not make it so. If they say they pray to the One God the Father Almighty the God of Abraham do they pray to Jesus? Well there is only one God.

So rather they accept or realize there is only one God and Jesus is the one God, has nothing to do with the truth.

The truth is we both pray to the same ONE GOD. It truly does not matter how we choose to address the one God.

Rather we call him God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Or any other name that means ONE GOD.

 

[rinnie]

Not really, because if God worshiped by Muslims is “not” the same as God worshiped by
Christians, then the Christian cannot say that Muslims are wrong about God, because
“clearly” they are not talking about the same God.

Muslims say “Jesus wasn’t really Crucified.” Now how, pray tell, is the Christian supposed to
argue that point when he/she rejects the idea that they are talking about the same Jesus?

That’s the barrier I am trying to break.

Rather or not Muslims accepts Jesus in the Trinity as the One True God. or rather they accept his resurrection from the dead has nothing to do with rather they are correct in praying to the one true God.

I am quite here. What does them saying they pray to the one true God have to do with them denying the death of Christ?

I mean no offense many Protestants reject Christ in the Eucharist. But still pray to him. I do not agree with them. That is not the truth given to us by God. But I can still accept them as Christians and thier rrejection of Christ in the Eucharist is a barrier I have to accept. Because I cannot change it.

So do you have a problem when Protestants reject the SAME Jesus in the Eucharist?

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Rather or not Muslims accepts Jesus in the Trinity as the One True God. or rather they accept his resurrection from the dead has nothing to do with rather they are correct in praying to the one true God.
I am quite here. What does them saying they pray to the one true God have to do with them denying the death of Christ?
I mean no offense many Protestants reject Christ in the Eucharist. But still pray to him. I do not agree with them. That is not the truth given to us by God. But I can still accept them as Christians and thier rrejection of Christ in the Eucharist is a barrier I have to accept. Because I cannot change it.
So do you have a problem when Protestants reject the SAME Jesus in the Eucharist?

No no, you’re missing the point.
Try again.

 

[rinnie]

So because they claim the abrahamic God we should consider them of Abraham? I don’t think so, there is no abrahamic family other than israel and Israel is the church.

They claim the God of Abraham. So yes if they claim the God of Abraham do you claim the God of Abraham. Beings that there is only one God of Abraham. We both either pray to him or Abraham claimed 2 gods.

I have never recalled Abraham claiming a false God and other then the one God creator of heaven and earth.

 

[rinnie]

Muslims believe in One God, that he is NOT a Triune Being, that Jesus is NOT the Son of God, NOR was
he actually crucified, that the Holy Spirit is nothing more than the angel Gabriel, and so much more.

Will the Christian refute all those beliefs about God? or will the Christian simply say
that the Muslim believes in a different god, a different Jesus, and leave it at that?

I ask because once the Christian identifies the God believed in Islam as not referring
to the same God in Christianity, that is in my mind admitting that Muslims are correct.

The Muslims can say that Jesus was not really crucified, but how can the Christian say
that this Muslim is incorrect when the Christian says that this is a different Jesus?
What should actually occur is to explain that Jesus was crucified, reveal how the prophets
foresaw that event, prove what it means for us, and that the Qur’an and Muhammad are wrong.

Okay let me ask you this way. How can Jesus Christ be a different Jesus? The Church teaches us the Muslims worship the same God as us. Just because they do not see Jesus in the Trinity and we do how can he be different?

A Christian can say easily it is incorrect when a Muslim deny the death of Jesus because it is incorrect.

If Muslims had the fullness of the truth they would belong to the Catholic Church.

The RCC is who proclaims to have the fullness of the truth not Muslims.

 

[rinnie]

Muslims believe in One God, that he is NOT a Triune Being, that Jesus is NOT the Son of God, NOR was
he actually crucified, that the Holy Spirit is nothing more than the angel Gabriel, and so much more.

Will the Christian refute all those beliefs about God? or will the Christian simply say
that the Muslim believes in a different god, a different Jesus, and leave it at that?

I ask because once the Christian identifies the God believed in Islam as not referring
to the same God in Christianity, that is in my mind admitting that Muslims are correct.

The Muslims can say that Jesus was not really crucified, but how can the Christian say
that this Muslim is incorrect when the Christian says that this is a different Jesus?
What should actually occur is to explain that Jesus was crucified, reveal how the prophets
foresaw that event, prove what it means for us, and that the Qur’an and Muhammad are wrong.

See you seem to believe that because Muslims do not see God in the Trinity as the Christian God as you put it then it cannot be the same God.

The Church teaches that the God they pray to is indeed the One True God the same God as Christians see as the Trinity God.

Let me say this another way how can the One True God the God we pray to and they pray to NOT be the Trinity God?

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Okay let me ask you this way. How can Jesus Christ be a different Jesus? The Church teaches us the Muslims worship the same God as us. Just because they do not see Jesus in the Trinity and we do how can he be different?
A Christian can say easily it is incorrect when a Muslim deny the death of Jesus because it is incorrect.
If Muslims had the fullness of the truth they would belong to the Catholic Church.
The RCC is who proclaims to have the fullness of the truth not Muslims.

No no again, There are Christians who DO say that Muslims have a different God, different
Jesus. I don’t like that attitude, and if you don’t have that same “different God” thought like
other Christians do, great.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

See you seem to believe that because Muslims do not see God in the Trinity as the Christian God as you put it then it cannot be the same God.
The Church teaches that the God they pray to is indeed the One True God the same God as Christians see as the Trinity God.
Let me say this another way how can the One True God the God we pray to and they pray to NOT be the Trinity God?

Okay this reply is a little confusing, but I’m sure that the point is being missed again.
If you believe Christians and Muslims DO believe in the same God, EXCELLENT!
That’s exactly the attitude I want to inspire in other Christians.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

They claim the God of Abraham. So yes if they claim the God of Abraham do you claim the God of Abraham. Beings that there is only one God of Abraham. We both either pray to him or Abraham claimed 2 gods.

I have never recalled Abraham claiming a false God and other then the one God creator of heaven and earth.

My point is that muslims pray to something that is either a false demon, doesn’t exist or something else, not the God of Abraham. The God of Abraham is trinity and Muslims deny trinity, thust they are not abrahamic in their faith, maybe insofar as their lineage is concerned but that can be debated.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

My point is that muslims pray to something that is either a
false demon, doesn’t exist or something else, not the God of Abraham. The God of Abraham
is trinity and Muslims deny trinity, thust they are not abrahamic in their faith, maybe insofar
as their lineage is concerned but that can be debated.

It is very easy to conclude differences in Deity when one affirms the Trinity while the other
does not, but then you must address Judaism. If Islam has a different God on basis of the
disbelief of Trinity, why do the Jews fall in that same category?

I am open to the possibility that a demon might have fooled Muhammad, but if such was the
case, would it not have been the said-demon’s intent on talking about the same God while at
the same time giving false information about that same One True God?

To deny the Trinity is not to deny God, but to believe falsely ABOUT the True God.

 

[cath4alltime]

My point is that muslims pray to something that is either a false demon, doesn’t exist or something else, not the God of Abraham. The God of Abraham is trinity and Muslims deny trinity, thust they are not abrahamic in their faith, maybe insofar as their lineage is concerned but that can be debated.

Amen