Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

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Marybeloved said:
That statement should be

You did not intend to deny that throughout History and in virtually all Muslim-dominated Countries Muslims have been anything but “remarkably tolerant” towards non-Muslim populations living in their midst??

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What I mean by ‘tolerance’ is the tolerance that is actually taught in the Qur’an, NOT the tolerance practiced by some Muslims when it comes to matters of faith.

To illustrate this level of tolerance which Islam teaches as compared to the tolerance taught by other faiths, do you know of any verse in the Bible which states to non-believers that “our Lord and your Lord is one”?
 
hamba2han said:
What I mean by ‘tolerance’ is the tolerance that is actually taught in the Qur’an, NOT the tolerance practiced by some Muslims when it comes to matters of faith.

To illustrate this level of tolerance which Islam teaches as compared to the tolerance taught by other faiths, do you know of any verse in the Bible which states to non-believers that “our Lord and your Lord is one”?
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Frankly Hamba ~

How can this be…???

Our Allah and your Allah is one

Jesus Christ is The Son of God -

Allah claims he has no son -

Our Jesus Christ lived, crucified, & resurrected

Allah claims this did not happen

So, how can “Our Allah and your Allah is one” ???/
 
jakasaki said:
Frankly Hamba ~

How can this be…???

Our Allah and your Allah is one

Jesus Christ is The Son of God -

Allah claims he has no son -

Our Jesus Christ lived, crucified, & resurrected

Allah claims this did not happen

So, how can “Our Allah and your Allah is one” ???/
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I can now see hammy quickly looking at deedats ‘inspiring’ words now…:rolleyes:
 
dolphinlove said:
I can now see hammy quickly looking at deedats ‘inspiring’ words now…:rolleyes:
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😃

Hi - ya dear friend…!!! Long time no see here… 😛

It’s a legitimate question - how can they be the same…???

I just don’t get it…
 
hamba2han said:
What I mean by ‘tolerance’ is the tolerance that is actually taught in the Qur’an, NOT the tolerance practiced by some Muslims when it comes to matters of faith.

To illustrate this level of tolerance which Islam teaches as compared to the tolerance taught by other faiths, do you know of any verse in the Bible which states to non-believers that “our Lord and your Lord is one”?
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You’re right, I don’t know of any such verse in the Bible. I do know of one that states that we should be like God, our father who causes it rain on the good and evil, and the sun to shine on the good and evil

But do you want to know the meaning of tolerance! Do you want to see it and hear what it sounds like?

If you can show me any Qur’anic verses that command Muslims to turn the other cheek to their slapper when they are slapped/struck, to give extra to those who unjustly take from them, to pray for those who persecute them, to love those who do not love them and to do good to those who do evil to them, to pay back good for evil and indeed to love their enemies;

If you can show me anywhere in your Qur’an where Allah or Mohammed says:

"You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, offer no resistance to one who is evil. When someone strikes you on your right cheek, turn the other one to him as well. If you anyone wants to go to law with you over your tunic, hand him your cloak as well."

or

"You have heard that it was said, '“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

When you can give me an example of your prophet of remaining silent when he was slandered and falsely accused (rather than plot/arrange assassinations of his critics/detractors);

Of an example where he firmly rebuked his own disciple for trying to defend him by using a sword (from people…soldiers who had come to arrest him with swords and clubs in order to bring him to his death) and where he said to him “Put away your sword! Whoever lives by the sword shall die by the sword!” and not only that but proceeded to heal the wound of the soldier who had been hurt by his own disciple, before they took him away to try him and have him killed!!!

When you can point to an example of your prophet of praying to God for the sake of the people who brutalized him worse than a wild animal, uttering no curse, no angry or any unkind word but only “Forgive them father, for they know not what they do!”

When you can show that to me in your Book, Prophet or religion, then you can brag that your religion teaches “remarkable tolerance” more than others, simply because it states to unbelievers “Your God and my God are One”!
 
hamba2han said:
What I mean by ‘tolerance’ is the tolerance that is actually taught in the Qur’an, NOT the tolerance practiced by some Muslims when it comes to matters of faith.

To illustrate this level of tolerance which Islam teaches as compared to the tolerance taught by other faiths, do you know of any verse in the Bible which states to non-believers that “our Lord and your Lord is one”?
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You’re right, I don’t know of any such verse in the Bible. I do know of one that states that we should be like God, our father who causes it rain on the good and evil, and the sun to shine on the good and evil

But do you want to know the meaning of tolerance! Do you want to see it and hear what it sounds like?

If you can show me any Qur’anic verses that command Muslims to turn the other cheek to their slapper when they are slapped/struck, to give extra to those who unjustly take from them, to pray for those who persecute them, to love those who do not love them and to do good to those who do evil to them, to pay back good for evil and indeed to love their enemies;

If you can show me anywhere in your Qur’an where Allah or Mohammed says:

"You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, offer no resistance to one who is evil. When someone strikes you on your right cheek, turn the other one to him as well. If you anyone wants to go to law with you over your tunic, hand him your cloak as well."

or

"You have heard that it was said, '“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

When you can give me an example of your prophet of remaining silent when he was slandered and falsely accused (rather than plot/arrange assassinations of his critics/detractors);

Of an example where he firmly rebuked his own disciple for trying to defend him by using a sword (from people…soldiers who had come to arrest him with swords and clubs in order to bring him to his death) and where he said to him “Put away your sword! Whoever lives by the sword shall die by the sword!” and not only that but proceeded to heal the wound of the soldier who had been hurt by his own disciple, before they took him away to try him and have him killed!!!

When you can point to an example of your prophet of praying to God for the sake of the people who brutalized him worse than a wild animal, uttering no curse, no angry or any unkind word but only “Forgive them father, for they know not what they do!”

When you show me an example of your prophet defending the brutal stoning of a woman, saying “He who has not sinned, let him throw the first stone” and thereby rejecting all such harsh and hypocritical brutality shown to fellow sinners.

When you can show that to me in your Book, Prophet or religion, then you can brag that your religion teaches “remarkable tolerance” more than others, simply because it states to unbelievers “Your God and my God are One”!
 
jakasaki said:
Frankly Hamba ~

How can this be…???

Our Allah and your Allah is one

Jesus Christ is The Son of God -

Allah claims he has no son -

Our Jesus Christ lived, crucified, & resurrected

Allah claims this did not happen

So, how can “Our Allah and your Allah is one” ???/
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Let us say that once upon a time, there were two tribes who lived in different lands and had different cultures but both of them worshiped the Sun.

One day, while on a hunting expedition, the two tribes met and eventually discussed about what they believed.

Tribe A said to Tribe B “Our Sun is your Sun”.

But Tribe B said “The Moon is the child of the Sun”

Tribe A however argued that the Sun has no child.

Tribe B replied “The Moon is the child who the Sun sacrificed in order to atone for the sins of all of the people who lived on Earth”.

Tribe A however said “The Sun does not need to sacrifice anything at all because it is always ready to forgive the sins of all of the people it shines it’s light on”.

Unfortunately, these two tribes could not agree on whether or not the Moon is really the child of the Sun… but the good news is that they did agree that they both worshiped the same Sun.

And so you see, this seeming “contradiction” between the different belief of two faiths is actually very simple to understand once you view it in it’s proper perspective.
 
Marybeloved said:
If you can show me any Qur’anic verses that command Muslims to turn the other cheek to their slapper when they are slapped/struck, to give extra to those who unjustly take from them, to pray for those who persecute them, to love those who do not love them and to do good to those who do evil to them, to pay back good for evil and indeed to love their enemies;

If you can show me anywhere in your Qur’an where Allah or Mohammed says:

"You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, offer no resistance to one who is evil. When someone strikes you on your right cheek, turn the other one to him as well. If you anyone wants to go to law with you over your tunic, hand him your cloak as well."

or

"You have heard that it was said, '“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

When you can give me an example of your prophet of remaining silent when he was slandered and falsely accused (rather than plot/arrange assassinations of his critics/detractors);

Of an example where he firmly rebuked his own disciple for trying to defend him by using a sword (from people…soldiers who had come to arrest him with swords and clubs in order to bring him to his death) and where he said to him “Put away your sword! Whoever lives by the sword shall die by the sword!” and not only that but proceeded to heal the wound of the soldier who had been hurt by his own disciple, before they took him away to try him and have him killed!!!

When you can point to an example of your prophet of praying to God for the sake of the people who brutalized him worse than a wild animal, uttering no curse, no angry or any unkind word but only “Forgive them father, for they know not what they do!”

When you can show that to me in your Book, Prophet or religion, then you can brag that your religion teaches “remarkable tolerance” more than others, simply because it states to unbelievers “Your God and my God are One”!
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Amazing what is mentioned in the bible, you picked my best verses but I wish that Christians practice what they preach with less fear or anger.
 
hamba2han said:
Let us say that once upon a time, there were two tribes who lived in different lands and had different cultures but both of them worshiped the Sun.

One day, while on a hunting expedition, the two tribes met and eventually discussed about what they believed.

Tribe A said to Tribe B “Our Sun is your Sun”.

But Tribe B said “The Moon is the child of the Sun”

Tribe A however argued that the Sun has no child.

Tribe B replied “The Moon is the child who the Sun sacrificed in order to atone for the sins of all of the people who lived on Earth”.

Tribe A however said “The Sun does not need to sacrifice anything at all because it is always ready to forgive the sins of all of the people it shines it’s light on”.

Unfortunately, these two tribes could not agree on whether or not the Moon is really the child of the Sun… but the good news is that they did agree that they both worshiped the same Sun.

And so you see, this seeming “contradiction” between the different belief of two faiths is actually very simple to understand once you view it in it’s proper perspective.
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I know the point you’re trying to illustrate here, but certain things must be corrected,

The tribe that argues that the Sun has no child, has no clue what that actually means. This tribe has been mislead by its founder to believe that Tribe B think that the sun gives birth sexually like human beings, and so proclaim proudly “The sun begets not, nor is it begotten!” All the while having no clue what these words really mean to Tribe B- You see the person who founded Tribe A and taught it about the Sun, really had no idea what he was talking about and had simply copied this practice of worshiping the sun from Tribe B and C who are his neighbors. This was made worse by the fact that he had spoken only to exiled members of Tribe B and no legitimate tribesmen of Tribe B, and these exiles were even more confused than this person. So Tribe A members are completely clueless about the true nature of the Sun as taught by Tribe B.

Tribe A say that the Sun needs no sacrifice to forgive sins, but Tribe A is utterly clueless of these things:- a) The Sun also does not need to use Tribe A’s founder or any human to teach Tribe A about itself and can communicate without any book/prophet to Tribe A- The Sun actually can do whatever it wants, but simply chooses to save the Tribes as it wishes. b) Nobody sacrifices another, but the Sun, (not the moon) that can do anything, appears to the Tribes as one of them and chooses to sacrifice itself as a member of the Tribes in order to attain the gift of its full light to the Tribes, beyond what they legitimately deserve.

I know…I couldn’t resist:D
 
Flyingg said:
Amazing what is mentioned in the bible, you picked my best verses but I wish that Christians practice what they preach with less fear or anger.
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I know…Guilty here;)

I just got worked up thinking that Hamba actually believes that the Qur’an teaches a superior form of tolerance than Jesus Christ…I’m as far from the example of my lord as the East is from West:( Pray for me, when you talk to God, ok?😛
 
Marybeloved said:
I know the point you’re trying to illustrate here, but certain things must be corrected,

The tribe that argues that the Sun has no child, has no clue what that actually means. This tribe has been mislead by its founder to believe that Tribe B think that the sun gives birth sexually like human beings, and so proclaim proudly “The sun begets not, nor is it begotten!” All the while having no clue what these words really mean to Tribe B- You see the person who founded Tribe A and taught it about the Sun, really had no idea what he was talking about and had simply copied this practice of worshiping the sun from Tribe B and C who are his neighbors. This was made worse by the fact that he had spoken only to exiled members of Tribe B and no legitimate tribesmen of Tribe B, and these exiles were even more confused than this person. So Tribe A members are completely clueless about the true nature of the Sun as taught by Tribe B.

Tribe A say that the Sun needs no sacrifice to forgive sins, but Tribe A is utterly clueless of these things:- a) The Sun also does not need to use Tribe A’s founder or any human to teach Tribe A about itself and can communicate without any book/prophet to Tribe A- The Sun actually can do whatever it wants, but simply chooses to save the Tribes as it wishes. b) Nobody sacrifices another, but the Sun, (not the moon) that can do anything, appears to the Tribes as one of them and chooses to sacrifice itself as a member of the Tribes in order to attain the gift of its full light to the Tribes, beyond what they legitimately deserve.

I know…I couldn’t resist:D
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What I see is that Tribe A and Tribe B are arguing over which fake belief is more real:D well at least they can see the Sun!
 
Marybeloved said:
I know…Guilty here;)

I just got worked up thinking that Hamba actually believes that the Qur’an teaches a superior form of tolerance than Jesus Christ…I’m as far from the example of my lord as the East is from West:( Pray for me, when you talk to God, ok?😛
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That’s good, we all have mistakes, I like Jesus teachings ( most of them but not all). I can’t pray for you, I’m an atheist 😛
 
rain_bow said:
Oh really? so who is in the 1st place after Christians? Muslims or Jews? Muslims reject the fatherhood of God and believe that both OT and NT are forged. Atleast Jews believe in OT.Who has the better chance? Muslims or Jews? I think Jews should have the better chance what does The Catechism say?answer me please ok :)? I do not know about it.
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THE catechism (no matter what you think) states that GOd does have a plan of salvation for the Muslims . They worship the Father in the trinity whether they know it or not . There are three divine persons in the trinity (Matt 28:19) They worship the first divine person as the Jews do . GOd the father is who they worship . They believe that the Torah and the Gospels are corrupt yes and also believe that the Quran is the perfection and last revelation. Either the Devil came to Muhammad or he made it up . The Quran is false and everyone in their right mind that has read it knows it . Still does not change the fact that they worship the same part of God as the Jews do. Hopefully this was not too deep for you .
 
hamba2han said:
Let us say that once upon a time, there were two tribes who lived in different lands and had different cultures but both of them worshiped the Sun.

One day, while on a hunting expedition, the two tribes met and eventually discussed about what they believed.

Tribe A said to Tribe B “Our Sun is your Sun”.

But Tribe B said “The Moon is the child of the Sun”

Tribe A however argued that the Sun has no child.

Tribe B replied “The Moon is the child who the Sun sacrificed in order to atone for the sins of all of the people who lived on Earth”.

Tribe A however said “The Sun does not need to sacrifice anything at all because it is always ready to forgive the sins of all of the people it shines it’s light on”.

Unfortunately, these two tribes could not agree on whether or not the Moon is really the child of the Sun… but the good news is that they did agree that they both worshiped the same Sun.

And so you see, this seeming “contradiction” between the different belief of two faiths is actually very simple to understand once you view it in it’s proper perspective.
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Hamba… pay attention… to my post… and inquiry…

Originally Posted by jakasaki
Frankly Hamba ~

How can this be…???

Our Allah and your Allah is one

Jesus Christ is The Son of God -

Allah claims he has no son -

Our Jesus Christ lived, crucified, & resurrected

Allah claims this did not happen

So, how can “Our Allah and your Allah is one” ???/

Hamba

Answer the question …!!! Don’t want to read about tribes ( et al)

If the koran is THE WORD OF ALLAH, answer my questions.

Thanks ~

Good night… See you guys tomorrow…
 
jakasaki said:
Hamba… pay attention… to my post… and inquiry…

Originally Posted by jakasaki
Frankly Hamba ~

How can this be…???

Our Allah and your Allah is one

Jesus Christ is The Son of God -

Allah claims he has no son -

Our Jesus Christ lived, crucified, & resurrected

Allah claims this did not happen

So, how can “Our Allah and your Allah is one” ???/

Hamba

Answer the question …!!! Don’t want to read about tribes ( et al)

If the koran is THE WORD OF ALLAH, answer my questions.

Thanks ~

Good night… See you guys tomorrow…
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Hey All,

To be fair, he has tried to answer you with the analogy.

He’s saying, Christians and Islam worship one God, but some of their ideas about him conflict. At the end of time, all will be made clear and the wrong side will know the truth about God. That’s how he has explained the differences you note between Christianity & Islam, and I happen to agree with him, because there is only one being in existence who fits the bill (one invisible creator of all that exists, benevolent, all-powerful, all-knowing, present everywhere, limitless).

Got to dash now, Peace!
 
Yes Muslims and Christians worship the same God, but Muslims are not descendants of Ishmael and Abraham, they claim to be, but there is no historical precedence for this. Second, Islam is not revealed by God, there are too many contradictions with Judaism and Christianity for it to be so, and all the elements it has from Christianity are from heretical sects like the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas which is the basis for their nativity narration. So what is the conclusion? Either Muhammad was possessed by Satan or he made the whole thing up, there is no other way. On that note, Islamic Heaven seems to be Satanic in origin, it is nothing more than an orgy, complete with an Islamic brothel where men can choose from virgins or males to engage in sexual deviancy. After they die, good Muslims are rewarded with 72 virgins and 28 young boys to have at their leisure.
 
Discipulo said:
Yes Muslims and Christians worship the same God, but Muslims are not descendants of Ishmael and Abraham, they claim to be, but there is no historical precedence for this.
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I think that there is Biblical evidence for Arabs being the descendants of Ishmael, and genetic evidence that Jews and Arabs are closely related.
Second, Islam is not revealed by God, there are too many contradictions with Judaism and Christianity for it to be so, and all the elements it has from Christianity are from heretical sects like the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas which is the basis for their nativity narration.
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There is no question that the message that Mohammed receives from the Archangel Gabriel fundamentally contradicts the Judeo-Christian message that comes before. Therefore, it cannot be a Christian belief that Islam comes from either God or Gabriel in all its aspects at least.
So what is the conclusion? Either Muhammad was possessed by Satan or he made the whole thing up, there is no other way. On that note, Islamic Heaven seems to be Satanic in origin, it is nothing more than an orgy, complete with an Islamic brothel where men can choose from virgins or males to engage in sexual deviancy. After they die, good Muslims are rewarded with 72 virgins and 28 young boys to have at their leisure.
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On the one level, the logic is sound, but on the other it does not account for the advances toward God that descendants of the ‘wild donkey’ Ishmael have made under Islam.

I tend to see things that way that Salim Mansur has expressed it that Mohammed introduced the God of the Bible to the descendants and the conquested peoples of the sons of Ishamel. To the extent that the wisdom of the Bible and the traditions of Judaism and Christianity have been rejected by these sons of Ishmael, the Islamists have strayed from God too.
I think that there is a lesson in that for us Christians too, when it comes to our relationship with the Jews.
 
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