Do Democrats Know How Radical Bernie Sanders' 'Medicare For All' Plan Is?

[stinkcat_14]

“Benefits” applies to insurance schemes.

Benefits applies to welfare programs as well. TANF provides welfare benefits. The word benefits is not exclusive to insurance.

 

[o_mlly]

Benefits applies to welfare programs as well. TANF provides welfare benefits. The word benefits is not exclusive to insurance.

Welfare recipients do not pay “premiums.”

 

[frobert]

Recent articles on single payer

Why Do Republicans (and Some Democrats) Vilify Single Payer? The Nation. Because ka-ching.

The answer has everything to do with our campaign-finance system.

North Country Looks At Single-Payer Health Care Adirondack Almanac. Multiply this patient work by tens-of-thousands, and you see why the political class has found the single payer idea difficult to uproot and destroy.

Friedman’s analysis projects a reduction in current health-care spending in excess of 15 percent, or $45 billion annually, by 2019. The savings would come from the removal of for-profit private health insurers from the health-insurance market in New York State, which would eliminate the cost of their overhead and profit. Additionally, Friedman points to:

Reduced cost of employer administration of employee health benefits
Reduction in physician and hospital billing expenses
Reduced cost of prescription drugs and medical devices by way of single-payer negotiation with manufacturers.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Welfare recipients do not pay “premiums.”

In the case of Medicare, yes they do. But answer me this question: Why shouldn’t recipients of parts B and D pay the full cost of those programs in their premiums? Why do the taxpayers need to be burdened with that $300 billion per year cost?

 

[o_mlly]

In the case of Medicare, yes they do.

Logical fallacy – begs the question.

But answer me this question: Why shouldn’t recipients of parts B and D pay the full cost of those programs in their premiums? Why do the taxpayers need to be burdened with that $300 billion per year cost?

For the same reason all taxpayers are burdened with a fiscally irresponsible federal government.

 

[stinkcat_14]

For the same reason all taxpayers are burdened with a fiscally irresponsible federal government.

Let me rephrase the question, if the federal government proposed reducing the deficit by making medicare recipients pay the full cost of parts B and D, would you be in favor of such a proposal?

 

[o_mlly]

Let me rephrase the question, if the federal government proposed reducing the deficit by making medicare recipients pay the full cost of parts B and D, would you be in favor of such a proposal?

Sure. As long as I don’t have to step over dead old people in the street. And, only if you agree to pick up the other ~ $300 billion required to balance the budget in tax increases or reduction in other federal expenditures.

In justice I’d also like to see all Medicare recipients reimbursed all Medicare taxes not yet paid out as benefits.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Sure. As long as I don’t have to step over dead old people in the street. And, only if you agree to pick up the other ~ $300 billion required to balance the budget in tax increases or reduction in other federal expenditures.

In justice I’d also like to see all Medicare recipients reimbursed all Medicare taxes not yet paid out as benefits.

I have paid plenty of medicare payroll tax. The payroll tax however, only covers part A. But since the payroll tax has already been spent on current recipients, where is the government going to get the money to reimburse me?

 

[o_mlly]

… where is the government going to get the money to reimburse me?

That’s the problem. “Not in my backyard” and “not out of my pocket” explain the downward spiral of our USA political experiment. Tell that to Bernie, et. al.

 

[stinkcat_14]

That’s the problem. “Not in my backyard” and “not out of my pocket” explain the downward spiral of our USA political experiment. Tell that to Bernie, et. al.

You were the one who was claiming that I should be reimbursed. Personally, I am willing to write it off. But you claim that justice requires that I am due my taxes back. Where would the government get the money that you say I am owed?

 

[o_mlly]

e, et. al.

You were the one who was claiming that I should be reimbursed. Personally, I am willing to write it off.

If you’re a Medicare recipient, then good for you. Justice gives you no authority to require others to do the same. You can always overpay your taxes as well.

 

[stinkcat_14]

If you’re a Medicare recipient, then good for you. Justice gives you no authority to require others to do the same. You can always overpay your taxes as well.

Your not answering the question. If the government owes me this money, where are they going to get it to pay it to me.

 

[o_mlly]

Your not answering the question. If the government owes me this money, where are they going to get it to pay it to me.

The same place the government goes to pay all its obligations – the US Treasury. Start a new thread if you want to change the topic to public finance.

 

[frobert]

If the government owes me this money, where are they going to get it to pay it to me.

You are not alone, the US debt is over 20 trillion dollars.

Fortunately for the US, the government has a printing press to print money into existence. Printing money is not necessarily a bad thing, but unfortunately, only a small percentage of population benefits,

 

[stinkcat_14]

The same place the government goes to pay all its obligations – the US Treasury. Start a new thread if you want to change the topic to public finance.

The topic is public finance, is it not? Medicare for all, just like medicare for some is financed by taxes, is it not?

 

[MonteRCMS]

Why on Earth does anyone want the government to control medical treatment???

They fake the money supply … you want them to fake health care as well?

 

[o_mlly]

The topic is public finance, is it not?

I don’t see the words “public” or “finance” in this thread’s topic.

Medicare for all, just like medicare for some is financed by taxes, is it not?

You need to start a new thread – deficits are not financed by tax revenue.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Why on Earth does anyone want the government to control medical treatment???

They fake the money supply … you want them to fake health care as well?

Good question, why would anyone support medicare for anyone. The thing that boggles my mind is that we actually have posters that are against medicare for everyone, but support medicare for some. How one can logically do that escapes me.

 

[o_mlly]

You are not alone, the US debt is over 20 trillion dollars.

And advocates who simply say let’s put this burden solely on the “Medicare for some” group miss your point.

If we are serious about the root problem then get the federal government out of the health care insurance business! Return Medicaid to the states. Faze the feds out of the welfare business; give it back to the states. Also, do we need departments of Agriculture, Education, Energy, Housing and Urban Development, … (add to the list)? And, do we really need 435 representatives and their staffs and bulging budgets in the House? Wouldn’t half as many do as well at half the cost?

Just eliminate “Medicare for some” as if that addresses the real problem is nonsense. We all should have some skin in this game, not just the elderly.

 

[stinkcat_14]

And advocates who simply say let’s put this burden solely on the “Medicare for some” group miss your point.

If we are serious about the root problem then get the federal government out of the health care insurance business! Return Medicaid to the states. Faze the feds out of the welfare business; give it back to the states. Also, do we need departments of Agriculture, Education, Energy, Housing and Urban Development, … (add to the list)? And, do we really need 435 representatives and their staffs and bulging budgets in the House? Wouldn’t half as many do as well at half the cost?

Just eliminate “Medicare for some” as if that addresses the real problem is nonsense. We all should have some skin in this game, not just the elderly.

Who is placing the problem of the deficit solely on medicare recipients? Yes, they contribute a great deal to the problem, but they are not the sole cause of the problem. Medicare is a government program however that serves no useful purpose. Government programs that serve no useful purpose should be the first on the chopping block, should they not?