Do Democrats Know How Radical Bernie Sanders' 'Medicare For All' Plan Is?
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Xanthippe_Voorhees
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Sanders entire platform is based on crazy, untenable promises given by people who will never be affected by them to those who will get what they “want” but suffer in other ways and be happy about it.
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Vonsalza
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…that are routinely carried out by pretty much every other first-world country.
You know a “Medicare for All” system of some sort is how pretty much every other nation on the planet where people don’t live on dirt floors administers their healthcare, right?
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tomarin
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The only response to your argument that I’ve ever seen that seemed serious is that the United States’ population is too ‘heterogeneous’ to make this work … which I’ve never quite understood.
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PJH_74
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The failicy of thinking we don’t already have a system that does a form of wealth transfer is ignoring that those with insurance are already paying higher healthcare prices for those who can’t afford insurance. Preventative healthcare reduces the overall cost to society, including future healthcare costs. It will probably also reduce the number of people on permanent disability, which is essentially welfare for life.
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Xanthippe_Voorhees
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A deeper look “under the hood” reveals many issues with those types of systems. I mean that poor baby Charlie Gerard was just in the news. America might not have it perfect, but we have freedoms and options other “advanced” nations do not.
Just because “everyone” does it, by no means makes it good or tenable. The rich still have private coverage and the poor, while cared for, are on a mediocre system that has them waiting months for things.
Just because “everyone” does it, by no means makes it good or tenable. The rich still have private coverage and the poor, while cared for, are on a mediocre system that has them waiting months for things.
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Xanthippe_Voorhees
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Except it didn’t work. When Romeny care was rolled out in MA, offering health care for all ER visits increased and preventative care decreased. Perhaps it’s a problem with the American people.
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Jig_Saw
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So he’s trying to appeal to Trump voters who base their vote on crazy, untenable promises.
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Xanthippe_Voorhees
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I think that’s a game all politicians play. However, I was referring to some of his other ridiculous gestures of grandeur like “free” college.Xanthippe_Voorhees:
So he’s trying to appeal to Trump voters who base their vote on crazy, untenable promises.
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Anonymous1
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You mean like any other country?
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Vonsalza
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Oh I’ll make no claim that these systems are perfect. No complex system is.
Poor Charlie Gerard had an aggressively terminal condition.
I don’t think many in America “get” that. Or they just don’t want to.And everyone does it because it’s generally just better. Lower healthcare spending per capita than the US and higher ranks than the US on infant mortality and life expectancy.
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Vonsalza
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No room for that kind of rhetoric here.
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Anonymous1
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The infant mortality rates in the US are higher that the countries that the peoples ancestors came from, so it cannot be a genetic factor. It is because of backward US policies.
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JimG
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From the linked IBD article:
"But let’s start with this. There is no industrialized country in the world that has a government-run health care system as vast as the one Sanders proposes.
Not one."
"But let’s start with this. There is no industrialized country in the world that has a government-run health care system as vast as the one Sanders proposes.
Not one."
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niceatheist
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Only as a matter of scale.
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Jig_Saw
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I think ‘free’ college is doable, but it would require an overhaul in the educational system so that tuition isn’t a subsidy for a professors who barely work and administrators who make way, way too much money and are far too numerous.
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Xanthippe_Voorhees
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Which is why, like universal medicare, it’s a bit silly to bring it up as something that can happen in the next few years. Our current systems (in both cases) simply cannot manage efficiently the money they do have. Getting a “bottomless pit” to pay for it would only do further damage.
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JimG
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Not according to the article. Sanders wants everything covered, no exceptions. No other nation does that. Again, from the article:
“Plenty of other countries “guarantee” health care to their citizens, and pay most of the costs with tax dollars. But none promises first-dollar coverage for all health care, without limits.”
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JimG
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If all insurance plans are to be outlawed in favor of a single federal plan, how will physicians who now have direct primary care practices be affected? Many physicians have DPC practices which charge a monthly fee for care but accept no insurance whatever, federal or private. There are even some specialty groups which do the same, or simply work on a fee for service basis, usually with far lower prices. Would they be forced to go out of business or work for the government?
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PJH_74
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We could probably cut back a little on military spending…if you want a prominent military bottomless pit, look up the F35 project. We spend 1 third of military expenditures world wide and many of the other top 10 spenders are NATO allies.
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