Do Eastern Catholics believe in Mortal/Venial Sins??

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I am Byzantine Catholic as well as my family and, yes, we do believe in mortal and venial sins. And yes, we go to confession and are not able te receive the Eucharisdt if we are in the state of mortal sin. We are under the Pope and therefore follow all the rules that Latin Rite Catholics do! 🙂 We do have more fasting and abstinance rules and more Holy days and a difference in the Divine Liturgy but other than that we are observant of all the laws of the Catholic Church.

Answers to this question are found in the Catechism For Byzantine Catholics on page 21 This book is published by Prow books, 8000- 39th Avenus,Kenosha, WI 53141
 
Same thing goes for a Latin/Roman Church.
Your point being, especially since you are arguing there is no distinction between traditions on this and sundry other subjects? Is the question here whether or not Latin Catholics accept the framework of mortal and venial sin (which would be rather rhetorical)?
 
Your point being, especially since you are arguing there is no distinction between traditions on this and sundry other subjects? Is the question here whether or not Latin Catholics accept the framework of mortal and venial sin (which would be rather rhetorical)?
it is exactly what I said I responded to your post. A Latin Priest can get into the subject more deep too …but that does not change the Teaching of the Church --there are serious sins and there are those that are not serious (no matter what terms one uses locally).
 
Q: Do Eastern Catholics believe in Mortal/Venial Sins??

A: Yes for they are Catholics. Though they may use different terms etc.
 
Whereas Latins teach that venial sins (though they need likewise to be forgiven) do not need to be confessed directly to a priest,
While this is true, I would say that we Latin Catholics are generally encouraged to confess ALL our sins in confession, regardless of whether they’re mortal or venial. I’ve certainly never been told to confess only mortal sins, or anything like that. I imagine someone would only be told something like that for special pastoral reasons. . . or if there was a HUGE lineup. 🙂
 
it is exactly what I said I responded to your post. A Latin Priest can get into the subject more deep too …but that does not change the Teaching of the Church --there are serious sins and there are those that are not serious (no matter what terms one uses locally).
So there is only one acceptable understanding of the Teaching of the Church
 
Q: Do Eastern Catholics believe in Mortal/Venial Sins??

A: Yes for they are Christians in the various Catholic Churches that make up the Catholic Church. Though they may use different terms etc.
 
Since the simple answer of “yes” is not forthcoming, its time politely step aside, with a suggestion that you recommend the EC subforum be discontinued, as it is rendered moot.
Huh?

There are various theologies and schools of spirituality etc etc in the Catholic Church. They may approach certain truths in various ways --sure.
 
Q: Do Eastern Catholics believe in Mortal/Venial Sins??

A: Yes for they are Christians in the various Catholic Churches that make up the Catholic Church. Though they may use different terms etc.
 
I am not an Eastern Catholic but will note that yes such is part of the Catholic Faith --it is held by all Catholic Churches to be a reality.

Now some may use different *“terms” *to discuss the reality of “mortal sin” and “venial sin” --such as “serious sin” for mortal sin and “light sins” or just “sins” for venial. But in the Church as a whole differing terms are used (serious, mortal, grave for the one…venial, light, daily sins for the other). There can be various spiritual approaches too regarding overcoming etc the daily sins…that can differ and even in the same Church (such is the nature of spiritualities and differing schools of theology)
No, there is a difference. What you would regard as “venial sin” would just as well be considered “serious sin” to Easterns and Orientals that needs to be confessed just as much as “mortal sin.”
While this is true, I would say that we Latin Catholics are generally encouraged to confess ALL our sins in confession, regardless of whether they’re mortal or venial. I’ve certainly never been told to confess only mortal sins, or anything like that. I imagine someone would only be told something like that for special pastoral reasons. . . or if there was a HUGE lineup. 🙂
Therein lies the distinction. Orientals fully recognize the juridic element of the Sacrament of Confession (on this point, we are similar to the Latins), but we do not assess the necessity for confession according to its juridic effect on the soul, but rather on its therapeutic effect for the soul (in this we are similar to the Easterns). We do have a different standard for assessing what needs to be confessed than the Latin Catholic Church.

Having said all that, there is nothing here that could merit disunity between our Churches.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
This is what the Latins believe as well. Do you have any proof otherwise? Why do you say “the East viewpoint…” as if the Latins do not teach this as well?
Where did I say that the Latins do not teach it? See, we are having arguments here because we keep filling in stuff the other isn’t saying. I’m trying to explain what the Eastern understanding it. Whatever you think that means in regards to Latin teaching is your conclusion, not mine.
The Latins have a similar concept. It seems your distinction between “voluntary and involuntary sin” is similar if not identical to the Latin distinciton between “formal and material sin.” If course, the difference could be as little as the distinciton between “mortal and venial” sin. Do you know for sure? Where are the definitive Eastern teachings on what is “voluntary sin” and what is “involuntary sin” to justify your “worlds apart” perception?
“Since a voluntary act and its disorder are of the essence of sin, venial sin as it is a voluntary act…”
newadvent.org/cathen/14004b.htm#IV

The East maintains its view of sin as sickness. Whether you act or not you are sick. And there is no little sickness or great sickness. A common cold can lead to worse sickness if untreated, thus the concept of “venial sin” which does not need to be confessed does not exist. All sins need to be confessed, but also that we do not have that concept that sins must be confessed first before Communion. As with sickness, treatment is ongoing and we do not view Confession as curing one completely. Rather it is part of a process, like taking a pill every 8 hours or something.
That’s true, but I would like to ask you if such mistakes by our little children are considered “sin” in the exact same sense as the sin of a full grown adult.
Yes, despite lacking the malice an adult would have, it is still counter to the nature of God not to share. Our goal in life is to share in God’s life (theosis) thus we should act as God acts. Even through ignorance if we are brought up by sin, like for example those child soldiers in Cambodia who were taught to kill at a young age not knowing anything else, they cannot get to heaven because the their actions and their mentality is contrary to the nature of God.

Again, this is why we do not think that Confession admits one to Communion. If I say commit adultery yesterday and then I went home feeling really bad about it. I thought about it all night and I am really sorry about it and regret it, I come to confession this morning, does that guarantee I have removed all lust in my heart? I regret that one act, but my afliction of lust may not have ended right there and then. That is why from the Eastern praxis it is foolish to impose a “you must be cleansed by confession before you receive Communion.” From the Eastern point of view I still am lustful and thus I will never be rid of that sin until I am completely reformed and rid of lust in my heart. That means I may never be worthy of Communion for all of my life! The important thing is that I have a repentant heart, I want to change. No one pretends that they can change overnight and thus that is not imposed. Confession is not a magic act that will change me instantly. But if I pray and fast and confess regularly, then I am to be admitted to Communion even if I sinned before receiving because I am struggling towards holiness. What would exempt one from Communion is not the presence of sin which is always there, but rather one’s hold onto sin. If one doesn’t even want to change then one’s heart is hardened and therefore Christ cannot work within him/her to remove the affliction of sin.
Do we give them communion to strengthen them on their spiritual journey, or because we think God will count these mistakes they make as sins that need to be forgiven in the exact same way that a full grown adult needs his sins forgiven?
Communion is our spiritual food that gives us Life. We eat it to give us strenth through the grace God fills our souls with. The Eastern analogy of sickness and medicine continues here. The Eucharist is medicine. We need to keep taking it, it is the only way we will get rid of the sickness of sin.
 
The requirement to confess mortal sins (serious sins) is universal across the Catholic Church.

Light sins need not be confessed --though they are recommended to be confessed.

Now if ones spirituality etc urges one to “always confess” certain sins that are not “serious sins” but which are “serious” in another way (not that they have brought death to the life of grace --but are more serious difficulties for ones spiritual life) -yes by all means confess those too.

Indeed it is recommended to confess venial sins both those that are more deliberate and those that are less so.
 
Can you clarify what you mean by “sin free?” Are you saying that even children are inclined to sin and that this is reflected in their actions (something with which I can’t comprehend a Latin would disagree)? Or are you saying that little children are actually sinning in the same way that a full-grown adult is sinning (with which I can see a Latin would disagree)?

Blessings,
Marduk
The concept of “State of Grace”. As I explained above, the East doesn’t see sin just as something you committed, but also something you are inclined to do. If I commit something and confess it, how can I be a state of grace if my heart is still inclined to repeat that sin? I don’t want to, but many of us will sin again given the right circumstance. For example, I had committed adutery with one specific woman. I do not commit any other mortal sin my entire life, but this one specific woman is my weakness, like Kryptonite. So I figured that other women won’t attract me as much so I move far away. Let us say this woman lives in China and I moved to Europe or North America. I have confessed my sin and given my initiative to move, clearly there is that desire to not sin again. Tell me, 10 years later, am I in a state of grace? Mind you in this hypothetical scenario, my only weakness to commit mortal sin is this woman. I have not seen her for 10 years. I have done whatever I can not to think and fantasize about her, like prayer, fasting, more confession, keep busy with work and family. So is this really a state of grace? By not commiting that act again?

The Eastern praxis doesn’t see it that way. If I were to see that woman again after 10 years or even 20 or 50, will I still feel that lustful desire for her/ If yes, then I was never cured of my sinful inclination anyway. Avoiding the act itself doesn’t mean you have avoided the sin. Lust is still in my heart, I just didn’t get the chance to act on it. The only time I am really free of sin is that even if that woman came in front of me naked and I wouldn’t feel an ounce of lust. When I see her as truly an image of God and love her as God loves her, only then can I say that I am free from that sin. That is why from the Eastern praxis it does not make sense to only accept one for Communion by going to Confession for one act.
 
The requirement to confess mortal sins (serious sins) is universal across the Catholic Church.

Light sins need not be confessed --though they are recommended to be confessed.

Now if ones spirituality etc urges one to “always confess” certain sins that are not “serious sins” but which are “serious” in another way (not that they have brought death to the life of grace --but are more serious difficulties for ones spiritual life) -yes by all means confess those too.

Indeed it is recommended to confess venial sins both those that are more deliberate and those that are less so.
This doesn’t fit into the Eastern praxis. We can go another 50 pages here but it will not change 2000 years of Eastern tradition.

Why don’t you take time into learning why the East has this view point instead of being hardheaded and insisting on your ways? You’re already spent a lot of time posting the same thing over and over again. If you used that time to learn about what the East actually teaches and why, you’d have a greater appreciation of the East and won’t be so violent against it.

If you don’t want to learn about the East, then please leave us alone. Don’t insist foreign teaching unto us if you are uninterested in our spirituality anyway.
 
This doesn’t fit into the Eastern praxis. We can go another 50 pages here but it will not change 2000 years of Eastern tradition.

Why don’t you take time into learning why the East has this view point instead of being hardheaded and insisting on your ways? You’re already spent a lot of time posting the same thing over and over again. If you used that time to learn about what the East actually teaches and why, you’d have a greater appreciation of the East and won’t be so violent against it.

If you don’t want to learn about the East, then please leave us alone. Don’t insist foreign teaching unto us if you are uninterested in our spirituality anyway.
Huh?

I am NOT insisting on my own ways. I am insisting on the Teaching of the Catholic Church. And have provided ample documentation from the Catholic Church. Including from Eastern Catholic Churches in other threads on this subject. I am not in any way “violent” against anything of the Eastern Catholic Churches. I have been in various Eastern Catholic Churches and have counted among my friends even an Eastern Catholic Priest-Monk. And have even assisted in his Divine Liturgies and Offices.

Please do not post such as you just posted.
 
Therein lies the distinction. Orientals (not sure about the Easterns) recognize the juridic element of the Sacrament of Confession as much as the Latins, but we do not assess the necessity for confession according to its juridic effect on the soul, but rather on its therapeutic effect for the soul. We do have a different standard for assessing what needs to be confessed than the Latin Catholic Church.
What do you mean by “juridic effect on the soul”? My understanding of confession is that it repairs my relationship with God which has been broken or damaged by my sins, and that it restores my inner integrity. Is that juridic?
 
I am NOT insisting on my own ways. I am insisting on the Teaching of the Catholic Church. And have provided ample documentation from the Catholic Church. Including from Eastern Catholic Churches in other threads on this subject.
Frankly, whether this is intended or not, your posts most always come across as very anti-Eastern. They purposely emphasize universality of thought, theology, and obligation, whereas the Catholic Church herself embraces unity in diversity (see below, as an example).
 
Huh?

I am NOT insisting on my own ways. I am insisting on the Teaching of the Catholic Church. And have provided ample documentation from the Catholic Church. Including from Eastern Catholic Churches in other threads on this subject. I am not in any way “violent” against anything of the Eastern Catholic Churches. I have been in various Eastern Catholic Churches and have counted among my friends even an Eastern Catholic Priest-Monk. And have even assisted in his Divine Liturgies and Offices.

Please do not post such as you just posted.
How many times have we went around this table before? There is a difference between East and West. Why would Blessed Pope John Paul II even write Orientale Lumen and ask the Latins to learn the East if there is no difference anyway?
 
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