Kind of. They believe in two ordinances not sacraments.As Catholics we believe in the seven tradition sacraments (baptism, confirmation, Eucharist, confession, anointing, orders, and matrimony). “Mainline” Protestants believe in only 2 (baptism & “the Lord’s Supper”). Do other Protestants (e.g. Non-Denominational Evangelicals, Baptists, & Fundamentalists) believe in NO sacraments?
What’s the difference, in their view, between a sacrament and an ordinance?Kind of. They believe in two ordinances not sacraments.
Your going to have to wait until an evangelical or baptist responds, but I believe that they believe that scaraments giving grace is tantamount to earning grace by participation in the sacraments.What’s the difference, in their view, between a sacrament and an ordinance?
Fair enough, but how is their view of an “ordinance” any different than say a Lutheran’s view of a “sacrament?” Do they just prefer a different terminology to further separate themselves from the Church’s historic understanding?Your going to have to wait until an evangelical or baptist responds, but I believe that they believe that scaraments giving grace is tantamount to earning grace by participation in the sacraments.
I see it the opposite way. A sacrament is something that God does for us, an ordinance is something that we do for God. Thus they blur law and gospel by declaring baptism and the eucharist to be ordinances nor sacraments.
Lutherans believe that the sacraments are outward elements such as water or bread and wine which combined with a promise from God effects and offers the forgiveness of sins.Fair enough, but how is their view of an “ordinance” any different than say a Lutheran’s view of a “sacrament?” Do they just prefer a different terminology to further separate themselves from the Church’s historic understanding?
Makes sense. Thanks.Lutherans believe that the sacraments are outward elements such as water or bread and wine which combined with a promise from God effects and offers the forgiveness of sins.
I don’t believe that Baptists and Evangelicals believe that sacraments effect the forgiveness of sins.
I’m an Evangelical, and the two main Evangelical churches (one Methodist-based and one from Lutheran roots) which I’ve been involved in both believe baptism and the Lord’s Supper are sacraments in which, as House said, God does something for us, as well as commands which we are to obey. If I had time, I’d dig up and post a statement that’s online from one of tthe churches about sacraments.Your going to have to wait until an evangelical or baptist responds, but I believe that they believe that scaraments giving grace is tantamount to earning grace by participation in the sacraments.
I see it the opposite way. A sacrament is something that God does for us, an ordinance is something that we do for God. Thus they blur law and gospel by declaring baptism and the eucharist to be ordinances nor sacraments.
So there is wide-spread disagreement within Protestantism as to the nature of “Sacraments” and to whether they ought to be called “Sacraments” or “Ordinances.” Is that correct?I’m an Evangelical, and the two main Evangelical churches (one Methodist-based and one from Lutheran roots) which I’ve been involved in both believe baptism and the Lord’s Supper are sacraments in which, as House said, God does something for us, as well as commands which we are to obey. If I had time, I’d dig up and post a statement that’s online from one of tthe churches about sacraments.
Some weeks ago I was on a thread with another Evangelical who I believe is a Baptist (?), and it appeared that he saw sacraments as in House’s first paragraph. I started to discuss that with him, but had too much going on IRL to continue.
I hope you’re not suggesting by your quotation marks that “Lord’s Supper” is a defective term! It’s straight out of I Corinthians.As Catholics we believe in the seven tradition sacraments (baptism, confirmation, Eucharist, confession, anointing, orders, and matrimony). “Mainline” Protestants believe in only 2 (baptism & “the Lord’s Supper”). Do other Protestants (e.g. Non-Denominational Evangelicals, Baptists, & Fundamentalists) believe in NO sacraments?
I’m suggesting it’s the term they use…I hope you’re not suggesting by your quotation marks that “Lord’s Supper” is a defective term! It’s straight out of I Corinthians.
House already answered well.Fair enough, but how is their view of an “ordinance” any different than say a Lutheran’s view of a “sacrament?” Do they just prefer a different terminology to further separate themselves from the Church’s historic understanding?
They believe in 2 ordinances generally baptism and communionWhat’s the difference, in their view, between a sacrament and an ordinance?
So essentially you’ve explained that Christians are often not obedient. I agree.They believe in 2 ordinances generally baptism and communion
An ordinance is a sacrament without grace.
They don’t believe that God pours out grace during these. Instead they believe it is something done out of obedience as a public display of the faith and grace already given during the conversion experience.
Huge difference.
This theology has lead to a crisis of sorts as massive numbers of evangelicals see no need for baptism or the lords supper.
Many go without baptism and the lords supper is given sometimes just a couple times a year.
I would say this is the exception rather than the rule. If there’s been an evil group of Catholic Priests who strayed away and took advantage of their position; disregarding true doctrine, well that’s an individual problem.As has been pointed out there is wide disagreement in Protestantism regarding this.
Sometimes I felt their core doctrine Was “have a dynamic preacher who could pack the pews, and lots of fun activities”. The rest seemed secondary.
I’d rather not have this thread hi-jacked, but the quote in bold is begging the question.So essentially you’ve explained that Christians are often not obedient. I agree.
I would say this is the exception rather than the rule. If there’s been an evil group of Catholic Priests who strayed away and took advantage of their position; disregarding true doctrine, well that’s an individual problem.
Evangelicals preach Christ. Just because we have more fun doesn’t mean we’re any less right.
What does confessing your sins look like dronald?We believe we are commanded to take part in certain things. Call it whatever you want; I prefer the word “command”.
Baptism - We must be Baptized. We believe it’s a public proclamation of Christ’s death and resurrection. We believe that our life changes when we accept Christ and repent, and the proclamation of this is done through Baptism.
Eucharist - The word comes from Jesus “Giving thanks”. Likewise we give thanks and remember Christ’s blood and body poured out for us. And proclaim such until He returns.
Marriage - We believe that when two publically proclaim their love and devotion to each other with at least one witness they are then married. Usually we have such led by a minister.
Confirmation - I don’t really see how this would work? We confirm our Faith at Baptism. Kind of like the thousands that were Baptized in one day by the Apostles.
Confession - It’s huge in Evangelical Church’s, more than Catholics like to believe. We do confess our sins to one another, but we believe God forgives the heart.
Anointing orders - Usually the Pastors lay their hands on others and pray before the Church.
Contrary to what some have said in this post, evangelicals most certainly do believe in 2 sacraments. Some evangelicals call these “ordinances” or “sacerdotal ordinances,” while other evangelicals use “sacrament” and “ordinance” interchangeably.As Catholics we believe in the seven tradition sacraments (baptism, confirmation, Eucharist, confession, anointing, orders, and matrimony). “Mainline” Protestants believe in only 2 (baptism & “the Lord’s Supper”). Do other Protestants (e.g. Non-Denominational Evangelicals, Baptists, & Fundamentalists) believe in NO sacraments?
For Pentecostals, baptism and living out our baptism has the following meaning:[The] Church’s concept of a sacrament proposes the participation of two parties: God (the party of the first part) has made a provision, and with specific actions, or deeds, we (the parties of the second part) respond to His provision. God, being the initiating party, has made a deposit of gracious provisions. For our part we, too, make a deposit: our faith to believe and our willing obedience to participate.
It first starts at Baptism where one is encouraged to confess their previous sins immediately prior to their Baptism to the entire Church.What does confessing your sins look like dronald?