Do Faeries exist?

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seeker777 said:
Rubbish.

Then you are suggesting that God allowed the boy to be born broken, so that he could show everyone the awesome power at his beck and call.

Why wouldn’t God have done the right thing and allowed the boy to have been born healthy, thereby saving everyone the emotional distress. What, so everyone could be impressed by his miracle? ( If I believed, that is what I would want to know)
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You ask why God didn’t do “the right thing”. I’d start by saying that this assumes you know what the right thing is.

It’s not that bad to judge God’s ways from your own perspective and standards, but that requires that you have some kind of moral equivalency with God.

I’m more than happy to accept that - but I’d need you to tell me about your moral life and whether you commit sins or do wrong to others (intentionally or not).

Wrongdoing colors your judgement about things, and about God. If you can’t control your own behavior … then on what standard do you judge others, and especially judge God?

It’s just something to think about.

We know God through observations in nature but also through revelation that He gave us. He has spoken to mankind. Within that, we can see that God is the author of goodness. For yourself, the primary goodness is your own life – something you don’t know where it came from, but which is a gift to you.

Your moral quality also belongs to you and it’s something you can improve and make more perfect.

Eventually, we can arrive at an understanding of transcendence. We can understand pain, suffering, deprivation, inequality, courage, happiness, hardships and the limits of life on earth.

Why did God create you? What purpose and meaning does your life have? On what basis do you judge what is good or evil?

What is the spiritual life? Within that, we can find the meaning of miracles also.
 
seeker777 said:
I do.

I’ll present Christopher Hitchen’s challenge to those of faith and as of yet, no one has presented a response;

Name on thing that a religious person has done or does, that a non-believer couldn’t or doesn’t also do.
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Be forgiven of sin.
 
seeker777 said:
Prove it. Saying, ’ the Bible tells me so’, is not a proof. :rolleyes:
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A sin is an offense against God.

To be forgiven of sin, one must seek forgiveness from God.

Atheists do not believe in God, therefore they do not think that they sin, nor do they seek forgiveness.

Therefore, believers can be and are forgiven of sin, but atheists are not.
 
seeker777 said:
Whether or not God is a figment of peoples imagination.
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Do you believe in Satan? Do you believe in good and evil?
God is good.
Satan is evil.
The evil that you see in this world is a direct result of Satan’s works. He looks for weak souls to prey on, he and other evil spirits prowl the earth seeking the ruin of souls.

Believe in God. He is the way and the light and the truth.
 
reggieM said:
Therefore, believers can be and are forgiven of sin, but atheists are not.
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How does that help humanity? I think your missing the spirit of my post.

You could also have said " A Roman Catholic Priest has the power to summon the Holy Spirit to change bread into the flesh of Christ".

There you win! :rolleyes:

That is not the spirit of the challenge. Your examples have nothing to do with helping humanity and to a non-believer, talking about the necessity to have sins ( and original sin ) forgiven is nothing more than a delusion.

You can’t conjure up what an atheist believes to be a delusion ( and you can offer no proof that it is real) and say, Ah Ha, I’ve bested you sir!

If your content that you have answered the question ( which has never been answered by the way) then you are a genius and should immediately correspond with Scott Hahn to start your very own apologetics school. 😉
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
Do you believe in Satan? Do you believe in good and evil?
God is good.
Satan is evil.
The evil that you see in this world is a direct result of Satan’s works. He looks for weak souls to prey on, he and other evil spirits prowl the earth seeking the ruin of souls.

Believe in God. He is the way and the light and the truth.
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God created Satan and allows him to prey on his children, therefor this Satan that you fear, is the result of Gods work.
 
seeker777 said:
God created Satan and allows him to prey on his children, therefor this Satan that you fear, is the result of Gods work.
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Wrong! Satan rebelled against God, and was cast out of Heaven. God gave his angels and mankind free will.
 
seeker777 said:
God created Satan and allows him to prey on his children, therefor this Satan that you fear, is the result of Gods work.
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yes, God created “satan”, i.e., the angel lucifer. lucifer turned on God because he became jealous.

we all have free will, even the angels. God creates, but he does not force us to love him, to follow his laws. we have the choice.

as for your challenge in the previous post… that is something that troubles me… we have so many diametrically opposed views in the world and we can’t convince each other that ours is the correct one, be it religious, political, child rearing, etc. etc. i guess that’s part of our free will. we make decisions based on our experiences and our perceptions of the world around us.

we would be thrilled if you joined us in our faith, but somethings you just have to experience in your own time. why some of us get the gift of faith and others don’t??? again, it’s God’s way. our life experiences help us to greater appreciate the faith once we receive it fully.

you’ll never convince (most) of us that our faith is a figment of our imagination. but we will be praying that you find the faith.
 
Seems to me seeker777 isn’t really looking but rather has his eyes shut tight.

Honey, are you playing devil’s advocate to help us and you just happen to be obstinant as a side result or are you being close minded because your pride is getting in the way?
 
seeker777 said:
Name on thing that a religious person has done or does, that a non-believer couldn’t or doesn’t also do.
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  1. Pray for the good of their enemies.
  2. Desire humility.
  3. Start a ‘human’ institution that has lasted over 2 millenia.
  4. Bring a dead language back to vernacular (Hebrew)
  5. Have faith.
  6. Remain celibate to serve others.
  7. Look forward to Heaven.
  8. Engage in spiritual warfare.
  9. Exorcize demons.
  10. Self infliction of temporal punishment for sin.
  11. Unite the Roman Empire.
Oh wait, you only asked for one!
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
Wrong! Satan rebelled against God, and was cast out of Heaven. God gave his angels and mankind free will.
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God is omniscient.

God created Satan knowing he would rebel

Satan rebelled and God cast him down to earth

Satan preys on Gods children

God accepts this

Christians brush this all off with a wave of ’ free will’.

Yet God, being omniscient, willingly created an angel that he knew would rebel and by his placing Satan on the earth, God also knew that Satan would prey on his kids.

God knew all of this ahead of time, yet went ahead and cast the most evil being in the universe in the same playground as his kids. :eek: 🤷
 
tobias said:
  1. Pray for the good of their enemies.
  2. Desire humility.
  3. Start a ‘human’ institution that has lasted over 2 millenia.
  4. Bring a dead language back to vernacular (Hebrew)
  5. Have faith.
  6. Remain celibate to serve others.
  7. Look forward to Heaven.
  8. Engage in spiritual warfare.
  9. Exorcize demons.
  10. Self infliction of temporal punishment for sin.
  11. Unite the Roman Empire.
Oh wait, you only asked for one!
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Everything except for the supernatural ( can’t prove it’s real) can be done by a secular atheist. You have not provided one real ‘thing’ that can only be done by a person of religion.
 
seeker777 said:
Everything except for the supernatural ( can’t prove it’s real) can be done by a secular atheist. You have not provided one real ‘thing’ that can only be done by a person of religion.
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but if you doubt God, why would you look forward to his heaven?
 
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