Do God and evolution agree?

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Because all things would be created instantly, modern science says otherwise
 
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Incorrect. Science should not stick its nose in religious claims.
 
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Fatima-Crusader said:
Because all things would be created instantly, modern science says otherwise
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The Catholic Church values science as a valid way to discover God’s creation.
Faith and reason work together, and the Church condemns fideism.
 
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Fatima-Crusader said:
Again just qutoing the council
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The Church’s magisterial thought is more than quotes from councils. The Church has a long history of philosophical and theological excellence. There are many good Catholic sources you can learn from.

One thing the Catholic Church does not do is fundamentalism, which takes scripture passages and council quotes out of context.
 
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How is science doing that? I’m not seeing it.
 
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Well the council quote is infalline and im not cherry picking
 
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They both can be true–all of creation came into being at once, but then was shaped over time. This is pretty much what the Big Bang theory posits. St. Augustine explains this idea in Book 6 of his “Literal Meaning of Genesis.”

He explains that the six days represent not literal days, but a scheme or plan of creation. The actual creation during those “days” was instantaneous and of things in potency and causation, but not necessarily their final visible form which would be shaped later over time. For example, he places the actual formation of man’s body after the seventh day (thus, the second creation account in Genesis):

St. Augustine
There can be no doubt, then, that the work whereby man was formed from the slime of the earth and a wife fashioned for him from his side belongs not to that creation by which all thing were made together, after completing which, God rested, but to that work of God which takes place with the unfolding of the ages as He works even now.
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He even goes on to compare this to how God continues to shape things like mountains.
 
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Yes but why would it say “finally man” if it wasent talking about the time of creation
 
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Man was created in potency at that time too, as everything else, but fully formed later, like everything else.
 
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Easy. Don’t believe in any God/gods, evolution, as defined here, did all the work by itself. Here, God is just a word. Complete compliance is sought, which is why these threads exist.
 
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I guess I’m not understanding. We are allowed to believe that God used the process of evolution to create.
 
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We are allowed to believe this. We are not allowed to believe in atheist evolution.
 
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Fatima-Crusader said:
Because all things would be created instantly,
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That isn’t what the passage is saying. You were not created instantly at the beginning of time. I wasn’t. The computer you are sitting at or mobile device you are using wasn’t.

That interpretation doesn’t even make sense in any context, without even involving scientific theories.
Fatima-Crusader said:
modern science says otherwise
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Common sense says otherwise.
 
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Thanks, you really helped, but does finally mean there cant be any more creation after the creation of adam?, wouldnt a new animal being born or evolved contradict this?
 
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no.
302 Creation has its own goodness and proper perfection, but it did not spring forth complete from the hands of the Creator. The universe was created “in a state of journeying” ( in statu viae ) toward an ultimate perfection yet to be attained, to which God has destined it. We call “divine providence” the dispositions by which God guides his creation toward this perfection:
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http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p4.htm
 
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edwest said:
We are allowed to believe this. We are not allowed to believe in atheist evolution.
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Unfortunately, some don’t seem to know the difference.
 
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JulianN said:
How is science doing that? I’m not seeing it.
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The issue always seems to be that some peoples’ religious beliefs will conflict with science, and rather than question their own beliefs and trying to find a way to move past apparent conflicts, or modify their interpretations of Scripture and Tradition, they simply reject science out of hand. It’s a form of compartmentalization, and to my view, a tragic failure of imagination to assert the Bible is a science text and any science that even appears to conflict with that very limited and one dimensional view of Scripture must be wrong.

Science has nothing to say on the existence of God. It never will. That isn’t how science works. If there is an apparent conflict, the conflict is not between the Bible and science, the conflict is between simplistic Biblical interpretations and modern understandings of the world. I’ve met plenty of Catholics who have no problem with evolutionary biology, geology, cosmology and the like, so so far as I’m concerned, the conflict is not religious at all.
 
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Is this another thread about “time”? It sure seems like it.

Or perhaps it’s a thread trying not to be about time.
 
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