Do Homosexuals Have The Equal Rights in the USA?

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If you’re saying “homosexual acts occur in nature, so they are not unnatural or immoral” then I guess you’d have to concede that rape, murder, and cannibalism are also not immoral.

No, your understanding of natural law is completely wrong. Human nature is not the same as the nature of a brute beast. “Natural law” is not synonymous with “laws of nature”. All acts that we do are human acts, and they must be perfective of the human qua human to be natural.
 
buffalo said:
A chaste homosexual has no need to declare themselves to anyone. If they do it is to advance the agenda.
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It truly doesn’t matter what anyone says, does it? It amazes me that your fingers are able to type out those sentences, considering the countless times it’s been pointed out how untrue they are.

I am officially and loudly declaring myself a chaste homosexual. Why would I need to do that you ask? Because there are people in this Church and this world who need support and help in living chastely with their homosexual orientation. There are people, young ones epecially, who need to know that it can be done. They need to know that the truth can be lived because there are those who are living it. It needs to be declared because I am not and I will not be ashamed of being a chaste homosexual. I will not hide in shame nor keep my mouth shut (for your sake) because my countless prayers to not be homosexual were not answered. What agenda do I advance? I advance an agenda of living the truth. Why on earth would I NOT have a need to declare that? Buffalo, you may see no need and you may not want to hear the declaration of a chaste homosexuals. Thankfully, I don’t care. Why? Because there are people out there who need to hear it and who need to know that chaste homosexuality is possible.
 
Kolbe300 said:
It truly doesn’t matter what anyone says, does it? It amazes me that your fingers are able to type out those sentences, considering the countless times it’s been pointed out how untrue they are.

I am officially and loudly declaring myself a chaste homosexual. Why would I need to do that you ask? **Because there are people in this Church and this world who need support and help in living chastely with their homosexual orientation. There are people, young ones epecially, who need to know that it can be done. **They need to know that the truth can be lived because there are those who are living it. It needs to be declared because I am not and I will not be ashamed of being a chaste homosexual. I will not hide in shame nor keep my mouth shut (for your sake) because my countless prayers to not be homosexual were not answered. What agenda do I advance? I advance an agenda of living the truth. Why on earth would I NOT have a need to declare that? Buffalo, you may see no need and you may not want to hear the declaration of a chaste homosexuals. Thankfully, I don’t care. Why? Because there are people out there who need to hear it and who need to know that chaste homosexuality is possible.
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“Be ye followers of me, brethren, and observe them who walk so as you have our model.”
“Glorify and bear God in your body.”
“For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, * who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven*.”
 
It is possible for all people to lead a chaste life in accordance with the teachings of Our Lord. Perhaps we should all be expounding on this for the benefit of all mankind in our quest for eternal life in heaven. Being chaste is a virtue regardless of sexual orientation, isn’t it? Being heterosexual does not give license for immoral activity, having sexual relations outside of the bonds of Holy Matrimony and for the sole intent of pleasure without the possibility of procreating is still wrong in the eyes of God. The plight of the human being, regardless of sexual orientation is temptations of a sexual nature. It’s what we choose to do about that regardless of what society may say that matters.
 
this may be semantics thing but a homosexual is some who has same-sex sex only. If you so not participate in same-sex sex how can you be homosexual?

The church only recognises sex inside the sacrament of marriage. All sex outside of marriage is a mortal sin and leads one to hell, not heaven. The church and we its members are called to inform those who do evil that they are going down the wrong path. We do this in charity, not hate.

We are called to love our nieghbor and that includes those who openly sin, but we also called to hate the sins that they and we do.

The danger in my opinion of the gay rights movement is that they are trying to make that which is a sin no longer a sin in the eyes of society. Nothing good has come from this movement, nor will good ever come from this movement.

Look what it has done to the Anglican & some protestant churches. It has signed the death of the Anglican church, where people are leaving in droves.
 
lynx said:
Since my last gay in the military thread went so well, and since it got moved here, I figured I’d start another thread on the more broad topic of homosexual rights in the USA.

So, some things to think about
  • Are homosexuals marginalized in society? (ie, freedom of expression)
    • How and where if at all?
  • Are homosexuals marginalized by the law?
    • If so with respect to what?
What I tend to see on this board is one of two things, either a disconnect that gays are a marginalized minority group, or belief that gays have an overarching agenda to corrupt and plunge society into moral decay which makes it moral to discriminate against them. Tell me what you think!
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Are homosexuals marginalized in society? No they have plenty of gay pride (one of the seven deadly sins) prarades they write books, and have a place in pop (worthless) culture with whats her face and the gay dude in those movies and stuff.
Are homosexuals marginalized by the law? no. They can vote and the anti-sodomy laws have been repealed so no. I think the gays just like to complain and look for attention.
 
ERose said:
awatkins69;6818582:
It’s essentially an involuntary orientation.
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i agree with everything in your post except this one line. There is no scientific proof for a homosexual gene. None. The hs gene is just propaganda.
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Just because there isn’t a gay gene doesn’t mean it is chosen. Here’s an excellent video on the possible causes of homosexuality:

www.homosexuality101.com

BTW, I also don’t think there is a gay gene, but the possibility of there being a gay gene would NOT contradict anything that the Catholic Church teaches.
 
BobObob said:
Just because there isn’t a gay gene doesn’t mean it is chosen. Here’s an excellent video on the possible causes of homosexuality:

www.homosexuality101.com

BTW, I also don’t think there is a gay gene, but the possibility of there being a gay gene would NOT contradict anything that the Catholic Church teaches.
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I do not agree with her I do believe there is a gay gene or the “Prenatal Hormonal Exposure” she lists. I know, have known, several SSA people and by no means believe they all arrived at that point the same way. Some were SSA cradle to grave and no (name removed by moderator)ut from anyone could change that. She is well meaning however the facts are these reprobate therapies are bullying, to impose reprobate theory is in my mind to sin. That is unrelated to whether society must give them children, cut their taxes, and make them a wealth person.
 
BobObob said:
Just because there isn’t a gay gene doesn’t mean it is chosen. Here’s an excellent video on the possible causes of homosexuality:

www.homosexuality101.com

BTW, I also don’t think there is a gay gene, but the possibility of there being a gay gene would NOT contradict anything that the Catholic Church teaches.
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all action are chosen. we have free will. if someone is a homosexual they ultimately choose to be one. just because you are inclined to one vice or another doesn’t obsolve you from the choice you ultimately make.
 
Texas_Roofer said:
BobObob;6825814:
Just because there isn’t a gay gene doesn’t mean it is chosen. Here’s an excellent video on the possible causes of homosexuality:

www.homosexuality101.com
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BTW, I also don’t think there is a gay gene, but the possibility of there being a gay gene would NOT contradict anything that the Catholic Church teaches.

I do not agree with her I do believe there is a gay gene or the “Prenatal Hormonal Exposure” she lists. I know, have known, several SSA people and by no means believe they all arrived at that point the same way. Some were SSA cradle to grave and no (name removed by moderator)ut from anyone could change that. She is well meaning however the facts are these reprobate therapies are bullying, to impose reprobate theory is in my mind to sin. That is unrelated to whether society must give them children, cut their taxes, and make them a wealth person.
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I think you’re right about people having SSA for different reasons. It is easy to put people in a box and assume they’re all the same.

Regarding therapy, I think it would be very wrong for individuals to be forced into these sessions and be told by a person who doesn’t yet know them how they got SSA. On the other hand, I personally know individuals who have experienced considerable reduction of their SSA without therapy. Some of these individuals mentioned the “Journey Into Manhood” retreat as instrumental for the reduction of their SSA and their overall well being. For other individuals with SSA, this retreat may or may not do what it did for the individuals I know.

Overall, I think more research, both biological and psychological, needs to be done in the area of sexual orientation.
 
I think enough research has been done to arrive at some conclusions.

narth.com/docs/hope.html

I think both sides should honestly look at why Homosexuality was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual in 1973. Was it based on science or not?

God bless,
Ed
 
Okay, a few days ago I commented on this thread. Well, someone here at CAF, who will remain anonymous, was kind enough to blow the whistle that my comment was harsh and not Christian-like. I completely understand and am not one to judge. I am deeply sorry.
 
Absolutely! ALL Americans should receive equal rights. The problem is not that homosexuals are NOT receiving equal rights, but rather, they are receiving privileged rights. It’s my opinion that the United States has a tendency to promote these special privileges in society towards any minority group.

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edwest2 said:
I think enough research has been done to arrive at some conclusions.

narth.com/docs/hope.html

I think both sides should honestly look at why Homosexuality was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual in 1973. Was it based on science or not?

God bless,
Ed
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Well, I do not know what the “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual in 1973” is but the website is far from a bias source. This blaming mommy & daddy is pure BS. They should grow to understand freud thus they would know their work has already been done.
 
awatkins69 said:
Hey Ed.

That’s my point. Environmental and psychological factors play a role. But all of that is involuntary on the child’s part. They cannot control their environment. All in all, when they hit puberty, they’re not making the decision of which way they feel. They just feel a certain way. For these feelings they hold no responsibility and should not feel guilty.

I agree, there is no reason to go around flaunting your sexual orientation as if it were something to be proud about. Neither should you feel guilty about it. Generally, you’re not responsible for it, and you deserve neither praise nor condemnation. That goes for straights or gays.
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There are many gays who will tell you they knew they were gay in second and third grade. I do believe there is a genetic component very much the way someone is left handed or right handed. Do they have equal right and protections? No. I find it hard to make any argument that they do. The very fact that multiple times this year someone will wait outside a certain bar for the chance to beat up a gay man they have never met and do not even know. How would you feel if you knew there was a pretty good chance you or someone you knew was going to be beaten by a group of people who thought they had every right to beat Catholics for fun, good sport, etc.
 
ERose said:
BobObob;6825814:
Just because there isn’t a gay gene doesn’t mean it is chosen. Here’s an excellent video on the possible causes of homosexuality:

www.homosexuality101.com
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BTW, I also don’t think there is a gay gene, but the possibility of there being a gay gene would NOT contradict anything that the Catholic Church teaches.

all action are chosen. we have free will. if someone is a homosexual they ultimately choose to be one. just because you are inclined to one vice or another doesn’t obsolve you from the choice you ultimately make.
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I’m talking about the orientation.

Having a homosexual orientation, meaning one experiences more sexual attraction to members of the same sex than to the opposite sex, is not a sin.
 
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