Do Jews and Muslims pray to the one true God?

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Hi everyone. I was just wondering if Jews and Muslims pray to the one true God or not? I ask because they reject the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus. Therefore, is it possible that they are praying to the one true God? :confused:
 
Yes, Jews and Muslims pray to the one who revealed himself to Abraham, and since the one who revealed himself to Abraham is the one true God, they pray to the one true God, though they are ignorant that this God is a Trinity, and that Jesus is this God.

The Church’s Teaching
Pope Gregory VII, in 1076 AD, wrote a letter to the Muslim An-Nasir, king of Bujaya, capital of the Sanhaja Hammadids, in which he affirms that Muslims worship the same God as Christians:

“Your highness wrote to us this year asking us to consecrate as bishop the priest Servandus according to Christian procedures. Since your request seemed right and very good, we were eager to comply. At the same time you sent us some presents and, in deference to St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles, and through love of us, you released some Christians who were held captive in your land, promising to release others in the future.
God, the Creator of everything, without whom we could not do or think of anything good, clearly inspired you to do this generous act. He who enlightens every man coming into this world (John 1:9) gave you the idea. Almighty God, who wills that all should be saved and none lost, values above all else in us our love for our fellow man after the love which we owe to him, and that we should not do to others what we do not want done to ourselves (cf. Mt. 7:1-5).
We, more than other peoples, should practice this virtue of love, that is, *you and we together, who under a different form believe in and adore the same and only God whom we praise and worship *every day as the Creator of the ages and Lord of this world. As the Apostle Paul said, ‘He is our peace, who made both one’ (cf. Eph. 2:14-16). …
God knows that we love you for the sake of his honour alone and that we wish you health and glory in this life and the next. We pray to him from the depth of our heart that after a long life he will give you the happiness of resting at Abraham’s side." (Patrologia Latina, vol. 48, col. 450., emphasis added)

The same thing is taught equivalently by the Second Vatican Council, and on several occasions asserted explicitly by Pope John Paul II:
“We know that God is the one who rewards goodness and punishes evil. The Church in Sumatra is happy that this certitude is shared by all the people of the region: with our Christian brothers and sisters who believe in the same Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and also with the followers of Islam who believe in the same good and just God.” (Homily, October 13, 1989, emphasis added)

The Counter-Argument
The argument that because Muslims deny the Trinity, they do not worship the true God, falls into the fallacy of accident.The following argument is a paraphrase of an actual argument denying that Muslims worship one and the same God as Christians worship, the one true God.

“Since a Christian cannot deny the Trinity, he cannot affirm the monotheism of Judaism or Islam, since these two faiths deny the Trinity. Therefore I say that Jews, Christians and Muslims do not all worship the same God. If they did, that would mean that Jews and Muslims worship a Trinitarian God, though being ignorant of his Triune nature. But this is patronizing to Jews and Muslims, and fails to take seriously their emphatic affirmations of the radical monotheism of God.”

The argument put into logical/syllogistic form:

A. Muslims emphatically deny the Blessed Trinity.
B. He who denies something does not worship that thing.
C. Therefore, from A and B, Muslims do not worship the Blessed Trinity.
D. The Blessed Trinity is the God worshipped by Christians.
E. Therefore, from C and D, Muslims do not worship the same God worshipped by Christians.

The Solution
There is a fallacy in this argument, called the fallacy of accident. The mistake lies in the fact that something is true in a certain respect, and it is assumed to be true in another way, or even that it is true in every possible way.

Imagine a situation where Peter puts a cup of poisoned water in front of John, who is very thirsty. The following argument exactly parallels the preceding argument about Muslims and Christians:
A. John vehemently dislikes Peter’s poison.
B. He who vehemently dislikes something does not desire to drink that thing.
C. Therefore, from A and B, John does not desire to drink Peter’s poison.
D. Peter’s poison is the contents of the cup on the table.
E. Therefore, from C and D, John does not desire to drink the contents of the cup on the table.

Now in fact, John doesn’t desire to drink the poison insofar as it is poison. But it doesn’t follow that he doesn’t desire to drink the poison in some other way, namely insofar as he supposes it to be water.

In the same way, in the arguments about Muslims, the Muslims don’t worship the Blessed Trinity as the Blessed Trinity. It doesn’t follow that they don’t worship the Blessed Trinity in some other respect, (e.g., insofar as it is the one that revealed itself to Abraham), thereby worshipping the Blessed Trinity in ignorance of the fact that it is a Trinity, just as one might desire poison in ignorance. 🙂

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Yes, Jews and Muslims pray to the one who revealed himself to Abraham, and since the one who revealed himself to Abraham is the one true God, they pray to the one true God, though they are ignorant that this God is a Trinity, and that Jesus is this God.
The Jews do, Muslims don’t unless you think the one who revealed things to Mohammed was the same as that spoke to Abraham and Moses like Muslims believe. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=237711

See also: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3627687&postcount=40
 
I personally believe the Jews, Christian and Muslim worship the same God, they just understand God differently.

We could say, that Muslims worship the same God as us but have been blinded to the reality of God.

It is possible to worship the true God and yet not know to whom you worship. (Refer to Acts 17) “The one whom you are worshipping in ignorance, he it is that I will declear to you.”

I believe Muslims intend to worship the God of Abraham, and therefore, they are indeed praying to the God of Abraham. And our Lord knows best.
 
Hi everyone. I was just wondering if Jews and Muslims pray to the one true God or not? I ask because they reject the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus. Therefore, is it possible that they are praying to the one true God? :confused:
You have it all backward. Jews and Muslims worship the One True God, in fact we are known for being genuine monotheists!

The real question has been, are CHRISTIANS worshipping only One God, since they believe in a trinity!
 
You have it all backward. Jews and Muslims worship the One True God, in fact we are known for being genuine monotheists!

The real question has been, are CHRISTIANS worshipping only One God, since they believe in a trinity!
Do you think Mohammed received a divine revelation then from God? Just because Islam claims it is a follower of the One True God…you believe it? What in the Quran do you accept as from God?
 
Do you think Mohammed received a divine revelation then from God? Just because Islam claims it is a follower of the One True God…you believe it? What in the Quran do you accept as from God?
If someone says they believe in ONE God, and does not believe that God contains more than one Person, then he is a monotheist. Monotheism is the belief in One God, and only One God, with no parts or persons.

I don’t know if Mohammed received a divine vision or not, I’m just telling you what a genuine monotheist is.
 
If someone says they believe in ONE God, and does not believe that God contains more than one Person, then he is a monotheist. Monotheism is the belief in One God, and only One God, with no parts or persons.
I am sure you are familiar with the term of ‘don’t judge a book by it’s cover’. If you study the book (Qur’an), the cover (God) does not make sense. It’s like putting the cover of ‘War and Peace’ over a comic book and walking around so that everyone thinks you are sophistacated.
I don’t know if Mohammed received a divine vision or not, I’m just telling you what a genuine monotheist is.
Genuine (as you seem to think) or not, don’t you think it worthwhile to know what you are talking about by claiming they are the same by making such a claim as the same God?
 
Hi everyone. I was just wondering if Jews and Muslims pray to the one true God or not? I ask because they reject the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus. Therefore, is it possible that they are praying to the one true God? :confused:
Perhaps you are asking, “Who is hearing the prayers?” If a mother prays for her sick child, it is God who listens to her plea.
 
Hi everyone. I was just wondering if Jews and Muslims pray to the one true God or not? I ask because they reject the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus. Therefore, is it possible that they are praying to the one true God? :confused:
According to the Catechism the answer is they DO worship the one true God.

The Jews:
839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325
The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”,328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329
840 And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.
The Muslims:
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330
 
Hi everyone. I was just wondering if Jews and Muslims pray to the one true God or not? I ask because they reject the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus. Therefore, is it possible that they are praying to the one true God? :confused:
How can they be the same God, if Allah in Islam is telling to fight the Jews and he is cursing them!

(Quran 9:29): “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 427:
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Narrated 'Aisha and 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: When the last moment of the life of Allah’s Apostle came he started putting his ‘Khamisa’ on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said, “May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.” The Prophet was warning (Muslims) of what those had done
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Hi everyone. I was just wondering if Jews and Muslims pray to the one true God or not? I ask because they reject the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus. Therefore, is it possible that they are praying to the one true God? :confused:
Hi

In my opinion, by believing in Trinity and divinity of Jesus one more follows the theology of Paul imported from pagans of Rome, rather than the pristine teachigs of Jesus, which are neither from the mouth of GodAllahYHWH nor from the mouth of JesusYeshuaIssa or from the mouth of Mary. This was done by Paul, in my opinion, when Jesus was on his journey to India after the incident of crucifixion in which he was saved a cursed death on Cross, nevertheless denied by Paul. In Jesus absence Paul felt free to use his name as a cover to promote his own theological philosophy based on death on Cross; using far fetched obscure sentences hinting towards trinity and divinity of Jesus. Maybe it is Paul’s differences and enmity with Jesus to start with; and the present Christians, a faithful sheep, are perhaps not to be balmed in this connection directly.

Thanks
 
Hi everyone. I was just wondering if Jews and Muslims pray to the one true God or not? I ask because they reject the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus. Therefore, is it possible that they are praying to the one true God? :confused:
Hi

In my opinion, by believing in Trinity and divinity of Jesus one more follows the theology of Paul imported from pagans of Rome, rather than the pristine teachigs of Jesus, which are neither from the mouth of GodAllahYHWH nor from the mouth of JesusYeshuaIssa or from the mouth of Mary. This was done by Paul, in my opinion, when Jesus was on his journey to India after the incident of crucifixion in which he was saved a cursed death on Cross, nevertheless denied by Paul. In Jesus absence Paul felt free to use his name as a cover to promote his own theological philosophy based on death on Cross; using far fetched obscure sentences hinting towards trinity and divinity of Jesus. Maybe it is Paul’s differences and enmity with Jesus to start with; and the present Christians, a faithful sheep, are perhaps not to be balmed in this connection directly.

I love Jesus and Mary; and sorry not Paul.

Thanks
 
How can they be the same God, if Allah in Islam is telling to fight the Jews and he is cursing them!

(Quran 9:29): “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

*Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 427:
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*Narrated 'Aisha and 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: When the last moment of the life of Allah’s Apostle came he started putting his ‘Khamisa’ on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said, “May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.” The Prophet was warning (Muslims) of what those had done."
Anti Jahl.

Come on brother. If you were Muslim before, you were definitely an ignorant Muslim. One of the things I dislike, is dishonesty.

A Muslim is suppose to be just, a Christian is suppose to be just. Your ignorance while you were Muslim has not left you, now that you’ve embraced Christianity.

Using quotes out of context, just to prove a point is useless arguments.

The goal of a Christian is to try and invite others to the way of the Christ. If you are unjust and use ignorant arguments, then why would a Muslim want to be like you.

If you are familiar with the Gospels, Jesus defended the sinners, and Muslims are sinners. Yet you just bash them, the sinners, without any regard, as if you are not a sinner yourself.

Even if they (Muslims) curse you, always be just and loving and kind, and always show mercy. Jesus said, “Blessed are those who show mercy for they shall be shown mercy.”

When Jesus was on the cross, Our Lord, pray to God to forgive those who were crucifying Him. If our Lord did that, why can you not be merciful.

Yes, I agree that Muslims do not understand God the way Christians do, yet when they pray to Allah, the intend by it the God of Abraham.

I only critisize you because I don’t want you to run people away from Christianity. And this type of ignroance will run people away from Christianity.
 
You have it all backward. Jews and Muslims worship the One True God, in fact we are known for being genuine monotheists!

The real question has been, are CHRISTIANS worshipping only One God, since they believe in a trinity!
Hi

Thanks for rephrasing the question rationally.

Regards
 
If someone says they believe in ONE God, and does not believe that God contains more than one Person, then he is a monotheist. Monotheism is the belief in One God, and only One God, with no parts or persons.

I don’t know if Mohammed received a divine vision or not, I’m just telling you what a genuine monotheist is.
Hi

Love to you friend HashemEchad!

Regards
 
I am sure you are familiar with the term of ‘don’t judge a book by it’s cover’. If you study the book (Qur’an), the cover (God) does not make sense. It’s like putting the cover of ‘War and Peace’ over a comic book and walking around so that everyone thinks you are sophistacated.
Hi Friend Verisimilitude!

Quran is not a comic book. It explains Monotheistic GodAllahYHWH with its true attributes very realistically. I just give herunder two very small chapters from Quran for your perusal and positive criticism:
112:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[112:2] Say 'He is Allah, the One!
[112:3] Allah the Independent and Besought of all.
[112:4] 'He begets not, nor, is He begotten,
[112:5] And there is none like unto Him.
www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=112
[1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful
[1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
[1:3] The Gracious, the Merciful,
[1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1:5] Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help.
[1:6] Guide us in the right path –
[1:7] The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.
You could yourself please check that these are very monotheistec verses. There cannot be any doubt in this connection.

You are however free to differ with me with reasons. I respect your faith.

Thanks
 
I only critisize you because I don’t want you to run people away from Christianity. And this type of ignroance will run people away from Christianity.
Hi Irenaeus07!

Your approach is very charitable and peaceful.

Thanks and regards
 
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