Do LDS openly acknowledge that their religion teaches the belief of multiple gods?

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wmscott said:
Marie you were on the inside of LDS, am I missing something here or is LDS something other than a Christian religion. Just curious.
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I used to be a Mormon yes. True blue. Went to BYU and lived in Provo for over a decade. Been thru the temple, etc etc. Held callings of sunday school teacher, Relief society teach and Relief Society President etc etc.

If people ask me if I think Mormons are Christians I tell them I see them as non-traditional Christians.

They do believe that Christ is the Son of God, came to earth, suffered, was crucified and rose again on the 3rd day for our sin.

What makes them non-traditional is that they dont believen in the Trinity in the traditional sense. For the the father,son and holy ghost are three distinct personages, each a god, united in purpose. And they believe that they can become gods by reaching exhaultation in the highest degree of glory in the celestial kingdom

Which means they are not monotheistic. (I think the term someone used was henotheistic or something like that)

I can fully understand why they vehemently deny the accusation that they are “not Christian”…Let me tell you even when I was a Mormon I knew I WAS Christian…I know what the Lord ment to me even then…And for someone to tell me that I wasnt was arrogant to me…

They had no idea what was in my heart…they didnt know the kind of relationship I had with the Lord…

That is why I will tell anyone who asks me…Yes they are Christians but in a non-traditional sense…

Hope that makes sense…
 
Marie5890 said:
I used to be a Mormon yes. True blue. Went to BYU and lived in Provo for over a decade. Been thru the temple, etc etc. Held callings of sunday school teacher, Relief society teach and Relief Society President etc etc.

If people ask me if I think Mormons are Christians I tell them I see them as non-traditional Christians.

They do believe that Christ is the Son of God, came to earth, suffered, was crucified and rose again on the 3rd day for our sin.

What makes them non-traditional is that they dont believen in the Trinity in the traditional sense. For the the father,son and holy ghost are three distinct personages, each a god, united in purpose. And they believe that they can become gods by reaching exhaultation in the highest degree of glory in the celestial kingdom

Which means they are not monotheistic. (I think the term someone used was henotheistic or something like that)

I can fully understand why they vehemently deny the accusation that they are “not Christian”…Let me tell you even when I was a Mormon I knew I WAS Christian…I know what the Lord ment to me even then…And for someone to tell me that I wasnt was arrogant to me…

They had no idea what was in my heart…they didnt know the kind of relationship I had with the Lord…

That is why I will tell anyone who asks me…Yes they are Christians but in a non-traditional sense…

Hope that makes sense…
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Hi Marie, I wanted to ask you a quesion, who do they believe St Michael the Archangel is

thank you

Jo Ann
 
zerinus said:
We become deified when we become saved in the celestial kingdom of God. That comes after the resurrection of the dead.
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Hi Zerinus.

Who is St Michael and what is his role in Gods Kingdom

thank you

Jo ann
 
zerinus said:
We become deified when we become saved in the celestial kingdom of God. That comes after the resurrection of the dead.
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My understanding of deify is to make a god of; exalt to the rank of deity; personify as a deity. Seems to me you are saying you become a god.
 
joann1957 said:
Hi Marie, I wanted to ask you a quesion, who do they believe St Michael the Archangel is

thank you

Jo Ann
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Their dogma is that Michael was Adam, the first man.

And that Gabriel was Noah…

At least that was what I was taught. Dont know if that has been changed…

Or more specially speaking…In the pre-exsistance Adam was Michael and Noah was Gabriel
 
I have to go for now. I will try to get back on this evening. If not I will see you folks tomorrow.
 
Marie5890 said:
Their dogma is that Michael became Adam, the first man.
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“When our Father Adam came into the Garden of Eden . . . He is Michael, the archangel, the Ancient Of Days. . . he is our Father and our God, and the Only God with whom we have to do” (Gen. Conf., Journal of Discourses, 1:50-51, 1854). quote

This changes the Bibles record drastically and is contradictory to everything Jesus and the apostles of the Bible knew.

Thanks, Jo Ann
 
zerinus said:
That was a quote from the Catholic Catechism my friend. I gave you the reference number for it. It was also quoted and discussed in that thread on CAF that I had linked to. You simply do not know the theology of your own religion.
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And I’ve posted a FARMS article on the differences between Deification and Exaltation

Here:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=5933034&postcount=171

There are HUUUUGE differences, and you know it.

That is a huge bit of intellectual dishonest on your part. Make something up, post a bare assertion fallacy to “prove” it, then claim ignorance when somebody doesn accept your initial fallacy.

Bon fait!

I think I will claim that Oneness Pentecostal, Jehova’s Witnesses, and LDS all share the same beliefs since they are non-Trinitiarian.
 
wmscott said:
My understanding of deify is to make a god of; exalt to the rank of deity; personify as a deity. Seems to me you are saying you become a god.
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Yes, that is what I mean. And that is what the early Christians meant too.
 
joann1957 said:
“When our Father Adam came into the Garden of Eden . . . He is Michael, the archangel, the Ancient Of Days. . . he is our Father and our God, and the Only God with whom we have to do” (Gen. Conf., Journal of Discourses, 1:50-51, 1854). quote

This changes the Bibles record drastically and is contradictory to everything Jesus and the apostles of the Bible knew.

Thanks, Jo Ann
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You do know that (these days anyway) they are the first to point out that the JoD is not official canon for them, right?

Always remember that once was taught as official doctrine is often now said not to be official doctrine.

Their dogmas have altered over time.
 
WM Scott,
When you do happen back here, please be aware as you read the posts about Adam or Michael, that God has included a completely sure method for identifying those who desire the qualities promised by Christ and attested to by John. They must overcome adversity and they must live to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Because of the need for sifting the hearts of people, to separate the wheat from the tares, there will be all sorts of obstacles to one who just wants to use their intellect rather than heed the sure witness of the Holy Spirit. Adam is not God–that is not an LDS belief.
 
ParkerD said:
Adam is not God–that is not an LDS belief.
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Parker, are you telling WMScott that in Mormon dogma that Archangel Michael is not the name for pre-existant Adam?

I can assure you that I was taught that.
Has that dogma changed?

And unless the temple ceremony has changed again, it is taught right in the ceremony.

Please, let’s not mislead WMScott or anyone else as to what IS doctrine in the Mormon church.

Honesty and integrity is a hallmark virture of righeousness.

Let’s agree at least on that.
 
ParkerD said:
WM Scott,
When you do happen back here, please be aware as you read the posts about Adam or Michael, that God has included a completely sure method for identifying those who desire the qualities promised by Christ and attested to by John. They must overcome adversity and they must live to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Because of the need for sifting the hearts of people, to separate the wheat from the tares, there will be all sorts of obstacles to one who just wants to use their intellect rather than heed the sure witness of the Holy Spirit. Adam is not God–that is not an LDS belief.
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I am puzzled by that. Your comment doesn’t seem to have been necessitated by what anybody has said. The well-known proverb, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it,” seems applicable here.
 
Marie5890 said:
Parker, are you telling WMScott that in Mormon dogma that Archangel Michael is not the name for pre-existant Adam?

I can assure you that I was taught that.
Has that dogma changed?

And unless the temple ceremony has changed again, it is taught right in the ceremony.

Please, let’s not mislead WMScott or anyone else as to what IS doctrine in the Mormon church.

Honesty and integrity is a hallmark virture of righeousness.

Let’s agree at least on that.
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You are quite right. Mormonism teaches that Adam in the pre-existence was the archangel Michael, and so is he after the resurrection.
 
ParkerD said:
WM Scott,
Adam is not God–that is not an LDS belief.
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It may not be now, but it was certainly taught by one of the LDS modern day prophets. Even so that the doctrine may it’s way into the temple ceremony in Nauvoo. Most of Brigham’s peers in the Twelve were on board to some degree with the Adam-God theory. Adam-God beliefs didn’t die suddenly with Brigham Young, but it took until 1910ish when Brigham’s generation was replaced in the Twelve by the likes of Penrose and Talmage who ended up reforming the speculation.

The Adam-God theory went something like this.

“How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular doctrine which is revealed to them, and which God revealed to me — namely that Adam is our father and God…Our Father Adam is the man who stands at the gate and holds the keys of everlasting life and salvation to all his children who have or ever will come upon the earth” (Sermon delivered on June 8, 1873. Printed in the Deseret Weekly News, June 18, 1873

The lineage of Gods as Brigham Young taught with Adam-God taught went something like this:

Elohim = Great-grandfather
Jehovah = Grand-Father
Adam = The Father
Jesus = The Son

Adam and Eve were exalted beings before this world was, embodied, and our spirit parents. The idea was that the Father, Adam, came to this earth in his resurrected body with “one of his wives” Eve. As they partook of earthly food their resurrected bodies became corrupted, “fell”, and became mortal. Adam and Eve came to earth as exalted beings but by eating earthy foods become earthy themselves.

Thus, Adam is the father of our bodies and spirits. Adam didn’t sin. Adam didn’t die. Jesus, the son of Adam came to save us, but not Adam from sin and death

Related to this core set of doctrines are the ideas that Jesus was also a resurrected being before this world and that humans can also progress through multiple incarnations to be a savior and ultimately an Adam/Father.
 
zerinus said:
You are quite right. Mormonism teaches that Adam in the pre-existence was the archangel Michael, and so is he after the resurrection.
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Thank you for your honesty and for standing up for what you believe in even if others disagree. 🙂

I can respect that kind of integrity. 😃
 
Rocket_Man said:
It may not be now, but it was certainly taught by one of the LDS modern day prophets. Even so that the doctrine may it’s way into the temple ceremony in Nauvoo. Most of Brigham’s peers in the Twelve were on board to some degree with the Adam-God theory. Adam-God beliefs didn’t die suddenly with Brigham Young, but it took until 1910ish when Brigham’s generation was replaced in the Twelve by the likes of Penrose and Talmage who ended up reforming the speculation.

The Adam-God theory went something like this.

“How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular doctrine which is revealed to them, and which God revealed to me — namely that Adam is our father and God…Our Father Adam is the man who stands at the gate and holds the keys of everlasting life and salvation to all his children who have or ever will come upon the earth” (Sermon delivered on June 8, 1873. Printed in the Deseret Weekly News, June 18, 1873

The lineage of Gods as Brigham Young taught with Adam-God taught went something like this:

Elohim = Great-grandfather
Jehovah = Grand-Father
Adam = The Father
Jesus = The Son

Adam and Eve were exalted beings before this world was, embodied, and our spirit parents. The idea was that the Father, Adam, came to this earth in his resurrected body with “one of his wives” Eve. As they partook of earthly food their resurrected bodies became corrupted, “fell”, and became mortal. Adam and Eve came to earth as exalted beings but by eating earthy foods become earthy themselves.

Thus, Adam is the father of our bodies and spirits. Adam didn’t sin. Adam didn’t die. Jesus, the son of Adam came to save us, but not Adam from sin and death

Related to this core set of doctrines are the ideas that Jesus was also a resurrected being before this world and that humans can also progress through multiple incarnations to be a savior and ultimately an Adam/Father.
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Ok I never was one who was well versed in BYoung’s Adam-God teachings. So I cant speak with knowledge on that.

What I was taught was

Elohim was God the father
Jehovah was pre-existant Jesus
Holy Ghost was Holy Ghost ----spirit personage as oppose to Jehovah and Elohim who have glorified bodies of made of flesh and bone…

(there was some non-doctrinal theories that the Holy Ghost would be the last spirit to be born in this world so that he too could have a body…I dont know where that originated from however…)

Never heard of the name of Elohim’s father and backwards from there…Or of Heavenly Mother for that matter…Those beings’ were just there but never really talked about…
 
Rocket_Man said:
It may not be now, but it was certainly taught by one of the LDS modern day prophets. Even so that the doctrine may it’s way into the temple ceremony in Nauvoo. Most of Brigham’s peers in the Twelve were on board to some degree with the Adam-God theory. Adam-God beliefs didn’t die suddenly with Brigham Young, but it took until 1910ish when Brigham’s generation was replaced in the Twelve by the likes of Penrose and Talmage who ended up reforming the speculation.

The Adam-God theory went something like this.

“How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular doctrine which is revealed to them, and which God revealed to me — namely that Adam is our father and God…Our Father Adam is the man who stands at the gate and holds the keys of everlasting life and salvation to all his children who have or ever will come upon the earth” (Sermon delivered on June 8, 1873. Printed in the Deseret Weekly News, June 18, 1873

The lineage of Gods as Brigham Young taught with Adam-God taught went something like this:

Elohim = Great-grandfather
Jehovah = Grand-Father
Adam = The Father
Jesus = The Son

Adam and Eve were exalted beings before this world was, embodied, and our spirit parents. The idea was that the Father, Adam, came to this earth in his resurrected body with “one of his wives” Eve. As they partook of earthly food their resurrected bodies became corrupted, “fell”, and became mortal. Adam and Eve came to earth as exalted beings but by eating earthy foods become earthy themselves.

Thus, Adam is the father of our bodies and spirits. Adam didn’t sin. Adam didn’t die. Jesus, the son of Adam came to save us, but not Adam from sin and death

Related to this core set of doctrines are the ideas that Jesus was also a resurrected being before this world and that humans can also progress through multiple incarnations to be a savior and ultimately an Adam/Father.
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I know a little bit about the Adam/God Theory.
I would agre more to the following with what I understand;

Eloheim = Grandfather
Micahel/Adam = God the Father
Jehovah = Jesus Christ
Holy Ghost = Deity to be named later…(Joking) *Going with what was said in another post. Growing up I too heard a story that the Holy Ghost would someday receive a Physical Body so he could receive his exaultation…Hmmm Interesting.

Your post is interesting to me, it brings up some things which I never concisdered or thought about. Adam and Eve being Immortal while in the Garden then the fall and the entrance of physical death…
It makes sense that Mormons woud believ that Adam is God. One of their teachings is when Christ does come again the Key’s of the Preisthood are to be gathered up and ultimately delivered to Adam…
Anyway I’m rambling. Thought provoking and interesting post.
 
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