Do LDS Women Have to Be Married In the Temple To Make it to the Celestial Kingdom?

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My LDS wife told me today that she has heard in several talks from LDS leadership that a woman does not have to be married to make it to the celestial kingdom. I always thought the Mormon Chruch taught temple marriage was an absolute requirement for the celestial kingdom. Have they softened their position in recent times or was this never really their position at all?

P.S. I’ve also heard that an LDS woman who hasn’t been through a temple marriage can be sealed to a worthy Mormon male who was never her husband on earth. Any truth to that?
 
It’s true that an LDS woman or man can enter the celestial kingdom without being married. But remember that within the celestial kingdom there are 3 levels. The highest level (exaltation - becoming a god or goddess) can only be achieved with a temple marriage.

It is part of Mormon lore that the others in the celestial kingdom become “eternal babysitters”. 😃 That’s heaven???

And yes, an LDS woman who is not “temple-married” will be sealed to a “worthy male” after she dies. This is to assure that she has a chance at exaltation.
 
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PaulDupre:
It is part of Mormon lore that the others in the celestial kingdom become “eternal babysitters”. 😃 That’s heaven???
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Wrong. Nice strawman though.
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PaulDupre:
And yes, an LDS woman who is not “temple-married” will be sealed to a “worthy male” after she dies. This is to assure that she has a chance at exaltation.
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Wrong again. If an LDS woman dies having never married she won’t be sealed in the temple to a “worthy male” as you suggest. But the doctrine does state that those that do not have the chance to marry in this life will be given the chance later, after the resurrection. But it would be someone she chooses, just like in this life.
 
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Casen:
If an LDS woman dies having never married she won’t be sealed in the temple to a “worthy male” as you suggest. But the doctrine does state that those that do not have the chance to marry in this life will be given the chance later, after the resurrection. But it would be someone she chooses, just like in this life.
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So this marriage in heaven could be to someone else besides her earthly husband, if she so chooses? And there will be marriages performed in heaven after the resurrection? Please also give me your source materials on this.
 
And it’s not only the women, the men too must be married in order for the same blessing.

I’m not sure, so I’m only speculating here, but it’s fun to speculate: in our earthly life, if we are married, our family increases and we collect children and grandchildren. Well, that’s as far as it goes but if we lived for ever it could go on forever too. That might be what’s meant by eternal progression.
 
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PaulDupre:
And yes, an LDS woman who is not “temple-married” will be sealed to a “worthy male” after she dies. This is to assure that she has a chance at exaltation.
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Source?
 
LDS doctrine is that those in the celestial kingdom who are not sealed will be servants. Numerous prophets on that. That is why it so heavily emphasized to marry in the temple.

IF a woman through no fault of her own is not ABLE to be sealed in the Temple (no one asks her or some other issue) OR if her husband does not live up to his covenants AND the woman is true and faithful to her covenants and otherwise worthy of sealing then she will be given in marriage to a worthy man in the next life. There is no reason to believe that this would be in any way against her will. (i.e. someone she doesn’t want to marry) but then it’s the celestial kingdom where everything/one is perfected. The language used by LDS prophets indicates that the Lord will choose her husband for her (which would be the perfect choice then) This would be a polygamous marriage as the man in order to be worthy would already be married.

Children who died before having the chance to be sealed will be given the opportunity during the millenium to meet someone and marry.

Sources for this should start with D&C 132, then go to Joseph Fielding Smith’s Doctrines of Salvation, Mormon doctrine by Bruce Mconkie, The blessings of the Holy Temple by Boyd Packer and I would suggest the Journal of discourses and the Seer. (the LDS would prolly disagree with those last two) that should give you a clear picture.
 
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majick275:
IF a woman through no fault of her own is not ABLE to be sealed in the Temple (no one asks her or some other issue) OR if her husband does not live up to his covenants AND the woman is true and faithful to her covenants and otherwise worthy of sealing then she will be given in marriage to a worthy man in the next life. There is no reason to believe that this would be in any way against her will. (i.e. someone she doesn’t want to marry) but then it’s the celestial kingdom where everything/one is perfected. The language used by LDS prophets indicates that the Lord will choose her husband for her (which would be the perfect choice then) This would be a polygamous marriage as the man in order to be worthy would already be married.

Sources for this should start with D&C 132, then go to Joseph Fielding Smith’s Doctrines of Salvation, Mormon doctrine by Bruce Mconkie, The blessings of the Holy Temple by Boyd Packer and I would suggest the Journal of discourses and the Seer. (the LDS would prolly disagree with those last two) that should give you a clear picture.
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Uh, okay, I think you’re going out on a limb here and speculating. D&C 132 okay, but those other references, especially JD are pretty shaky. I’d be very surprised if the Lord is into matchmaking frankly.
 
well 132 pretty clearly speaks of women being given to Joseph. There are numerous other canonized scriptures that speak of that practice. I don’t see that as the salient point though. I deny the whole concept as wrong, especially the polygamy that was so integral to it in the early LDS church. (still canonized scripture just not permitted to practice right now) as to those other sources, Presidents of the LDS church speaking to the church as a whole on matters of doctrine is pretty strong in my book. The relvant statements have never been disavowed by subsequent “prophets” and with the exception of the seer these sources are frequently quoted in current LDS lesson manuals used for teaching doctrine. (The Seer was published at the direction of the first presidency and the finished product wa endorsed by same with the counsel for all to read it. This is published in the intro to it and signed by BY and his counselors.)

Where did Jesus teach eternal marriage in the bible OR the Book of Mormon with it’s “fullness of the Gospel”?
 
Polygamy is a problem for all Christians. You know that the 12 tribes of Israel came from 4 wives and all about David and Solomon. And it’s also a problem because other religions and cultures still practice it today. Monogomous marriage will always be under attach from somewhere. You won’t find much biblical support refuting polygamy. I can’t really understand it myself except as a lesser form of marriage.

There’s been very little revealed on how the affairs of heaven are governed so I would personally not say such and such happens when you get to heaven. If you want to go ahead but I’m going to take whatever you say with a grain of salt.
 
I don’t agree that polygamy is a problem for most Christians. We see a clear distinction between the practices of the Old covenant (Moses carnal ordinances and the hardness of the hearts, etc.) and the Christ given new covenant. I think the new testament speaks to it clearly. (interestingly enough so does the BoM and originally the book of Comandments)

I dismiss most things stated by LDS prophets but they have spoken quite often on the subject and in very clear terms. THEY thought it doctrine. I don’t believe they are prophets so please, by all means feel free to disregard their teachings. I find this whole concept heretical.
 
Sorry majick275, I’m not going to let you get away with tossing out the entire Old Testament. No way! If you’re going to do that, we have nothing to say to each other.
 
I don’t toss it out. I see the differnce in what was required and practiced under the old covenant and that which is under the new. Jesus himself made this distinction repeatedly.

Even LDS no longer take animals to the priests to be sacrificed for their sins. Last I checked the WoW doesn’t require LDS to eat Kosher. You don’t keep the feast of tabernacles, celebrate passover or Yom Kippur. Do you not recognize that Christ fulfilled the law and brought us a new one?

We may end up with nothing to say to one another but I don’t see scriptural support for David OR Solomon regarding polygamy. even if there were we see in the new testament specific teachings refuting polygamy after Christ. We see Jesus making it clear that His teaching on marriage is differnt that Moses and even tells us why.
 
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Chris-WA:
My LDS wife told me today that she has heard in several talks from LDS leadership that a woman does not have to be married to make it to the celestial kingdom. I always thought the Mormon Chruch taught temple marriage was an absolute requirement for the celestial kingdom. Have they softened their position in recent times or was this never really their position at all?

P.S. I’ve also heard that an LDS woman who hasn’t been through a temple marriage can be sealed to a worthy Mormon male who was never her husband on earth. Any truth to that?
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Nope. Been that way from the Beginning. The Celestial Kingdom is also split into 3s.

To make it to the highest of the highest. One must be eternally married. Its the only way the seeds continue for eternity… becasue the man is not without the woman in the Lord. Nor the woman without the man. They cannot reach their full potential without each other.

You can read about it in the 132 section of the D&C.
 
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majick275:
We may end up with nothing to say to one another but I don’t see scriptural support for David OR Solomon regarding polygamy. even if there were we see in the new testament specific teachings refuting polygamy after Christ. We see Jesus making it clear that His teaching on marriage is differnt that Moses and even tells us why.
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Hmm…

2 sam 12
7 ¶ And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

God himself by the hand of the Prophet Gave David at least ten wives. Why don’t you take your problems with Polygamy up with him?
 
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Casen:
Wrong again. If an LDS woman dies having never married she won’t be sealed in the temple to a “worthy male” as you suggest. But the doctrine does state that those that do not have the chance to marry in this life will be given the chance later, after the resurrection. But it would be someone she chooses, just like in this life.
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More Mormon deception. I never said “having never married”. I said “a woman who is not temple-married”. Big difference. There are many LDS women who, for one reason or another, marry outside the temple. There are also many whose spouses do not live up to their temple covenants, effectively leaving them single in the next life.

And if you never heard the “eternal babysitter” thing, you belong to a much different LDS Church than the rest of us did.
 
“Eternal babysitter” isn’t taught in the church. Thats an Anti-Mormon Myth. Makes me wonder if you ever belonged to the Church to begin with.

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I never said it was taught in the Church. I said it was “Mormon lore”, which it is. It is commonly believed and spoken of by the members but is not doctrine. You know what the word “lore” means, right? I didn’t think so.

There is a great deal of Mormon lore. A great example is the Mormon lore that pre-existent spirits make covenants (a la “Saturday’s Warrior”) to meet on earth and get married. At BYU it is very common for a young man to tell a girl that “I have had a revelation that we made a covenant in the pre-existence”.

The really good-looking girls have lots of guys who think they made covenants in the pre-existence. 😉
 
Yeah… just as much “lore” in pretty much any church. (eg Mary the perpetual virgin)

ROFL!

Conan just did a skit on soul mates. And it twernt no Mormon. 😃
 
Mormon “prophets” have repeatedly emphasized that those who qualify for the celestial kingdom but aren’t sealed become SERVANTS!

Wether or not they babysit is obvious speculation but the fact that they are “ministering angels” is DOCTRINE. That ministering angels = servants is DOCTRINE!

Zak your OT scripture completely overlooks the changes that Jesus brought that I mentioned. What was “allowed” under the old covenant was not always continued under the new. (see Jesus teaching on divorce for a perfect example)

I think God already took care of Polygamy for us. I choose to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ on this. Do you really think a celestial harem is a good thing and to be desired by Christian Men?
 
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