Do most Catholic Evolutionists tend be doubters of Noah's flood and other Old testament Factual Accounts?

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Please discuss, Do those wo embrace evolution and are Catholic tend to doubt noah’s flood, The parting of the red sea, David and Goliath, Samson’s super human Power etc?
 
This is actually a good question as soon as you get passed the accusative tone.
 
TruthisBeauty7 said:
Please discuss, Do those wo embrace evolution and are Catholic tend to doubt noah’s flood, The parting of the red sea, David and Goliath, Samson’s super human Power etc?
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Why would belief in the theory of evolution nullify Noah, David and Goliath, Samson, and the Red Sea?

Jon
 
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This is actually a good question as soon as you get passed the accusative tone.
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And the bad reasoning - it is not at all clear in what sense, if any, the account of the Flood is “factual” ? So this supposed factual status cannot be included in the statement of the question​

But sound reasoning has never been the forte of Fundamentalists. 😦
 
Well i am absolutely sure that we are required to believe in Adam. Not the biblical Adam so much as a common ancestor that we call Adam and are all descended from who committed the original sin (this way no man can claim to be free of that sin, and all humans have to same origin).
 
I’m not a Catholic, so perhaps I should not participate in this discussion.

My understanding is that Catholicism is more open on this subject than evangelical Protestants, who tend to be strict literalists. I am a mainstream ‘big tent’ Protestant without a hardshell theology beyond a love for Christ and a desire to follow him. I do not view the first 11 chapters of Genesis as history. Take the Noah story. Probably there was a major flood and as the story was passed along from generation to generation it became more and more exaggerated until we had Noah and the Ark, etc. To begin with, how would Noah get two of every species on that ark, feed them for 40 days, clean up after them, etc.? Two rhinos, two elephants, two lions, two sheep - and hundreds of other species including termites and numerous other insects, all varieties of birds and whatever.
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 Even more serious, I can't imagine that God would deliberately drown all humanity except for Noah and Mrs. Noah, their three sons and their wives. That would mean that all sorts of innocent children would have drowned, probably many babies in the womb. If we think it evil to perform an abortion, would God deliberately kill all those innocent little ones?

 In the same vein, did God command Joshua to murder every inhabitant of Jericho when those walls came tumbling down? Did he order Saul to slaughter every Amalakite, even every 'suckling" as the Bible says? Give me a break. That sounds like ethnic cleansing a la Hitler, totally at odds with the mercy and love of God. The Old Testament is filled with wild legends and myths, many intended to promote nationalistic fervor among the ancient Hebrews. Moses is said to have written the first five books of the Bible, and yet we read about his death and burial there! And Joshua made the sun stand still! And Solomon was the wisest man in the world with his 1000 wives and 600 concubines. What a role model for today! And I could go on and on.

  God bless the whole world - no exceptions. It would be great if religion became a bridge among people of different faiths and an instrument for peace. Too often it has been a source for bigotry and misunderstanding and even oppression and killing.
 
You sound more like an agnostic than even a Protestant to me from your statements about Christianity so far.

If you want to talk about the things you keep bringing up on threads not specifically about them, why not start a thread one one single subject for each – not a group, one for each. That’s how threads work decently, and proper protocol.

A person should so proper reserve when there are difficulties with the scripture and not speak out against God, and simply if something is too difficult reserve judgement. You don’t show that. You condemn God out of human wisdom and human respect.

Those who deny Him in this life, are denied by Him in the next.

God is Lord of the world, it is He who decides who lives and dies justly. It is not any failure in being pro-life, being pro-life is letting God decide, not man. That’s all.
 
Shin Im listening to the talk about evolution… Very good Talk I suggest you all listen to it.
 
Jon I think its because it takes a certain liberal leaning, or certain mindframe where natural human reasoning rules over faith. So if something sounds to miraclous they need to find a human reason why this occurred. They just can’t accept the miraclous.

Its start with the old testament , in another 20 or so years there offspring will be even doubting the miracles of Jesus.

Paul said in the latter days people will have a form of godliness but will deny its power. This is what I think were seeing here.
 
I am not Catholic but I think the Noe story is a highly fictionalized Semitic folk tale.

There is a message in the story, the way it is recounted in Hebrew literature, so it has a lot of value to us. The way the story is recounted outside of the Hebrew tradition teaches a different lesson.

I don’t think there was a tower of Babel either, at least not strictly as portrayed in the Bible. But the story has an important lesson for us.

I think that the assumption that people who accept the theory of evolution are more likely to doubt the accuracy of these stories is straw. One need not believe in evolution to see that these stories are not accurate history.
 
Geneticists tell us that there is a genetic “bottleneck”, for lack of a better word, in human DNA.

They say that this suggests a massive extinction of most Homo sapiens.

Doesn’t the story of Noah say basically the same thing?
 
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Geneticists tell us that there is a genetic “bottleneck”, for lack of a better word, in human DNA.

They say that this suggests a massive extinction of most Homo sapiens.

Doesn’t the story of Noah say basically the same thing?
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Interesting! 🙂 I had not heard this put quite this way. Good to know. 👍
 
Cluny said:
Geneticists tell us that there is a genetic “bottleneck”, for lack of a better word, in human DNA.

They say that this suggests a massive extinction of most Homo sapiens.

Doesn’t the story of Noah say basically the same thing?
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Ahh yes, i believe after this disaster there were about 10,000 humans left on earth. Apparently the disaster was of great proportion. It almost wiped out mankind and some other of our bipedal cousins.
 
Roy5 said:
I’m not a Catholic, so perhaps I should not participate in this discussion.

My understanding is that Catholicism is more open on this subject than evangelical Protestants, who tend to be strict literalists. I am a mainstream ‘big tent’ Protestant without a hardshell theology beyond a love for Christ and a desire to follow him. I do not view the first 11 chapters of Genesis as history. Take the Noah story. Probably there was a major flood and as the story was passed along from generation to generation it became more and more exaggerated until we had Noah and the Ark, etc. To begin with, how would Noah get two of every species on that ark, feed them for 40 days, clean up after them, etc.? Two rhinos, two elephants, two lions, two sheep - and hundreds of other species including termites and numerous other insects, all varieties of birds and whatever.

Even more serious, I can’t imagine that God would deliberately drown all humanity except for Noah and Mrs. Noah, their three sons and their wives. That would mean that all sorts of innocent children would have drowned, probably many babies in the womb. If we think it evil to perform an abortion, would God deliberately kill all those innocent little ones?

In the same vein, did God command Joshua to murder every inhabitant of Jericho when those walls came tumbling down? Did he order Saul to slaughter every Amalakite, even every 'suckling" as the Bible says? Give me a break. That sounds like ethnic cleansing a la Hitler, totally at odds with the mercy and love of God. The Old Testament is filled with wild legends and myths, many intended to promote nationalistic fervor among the ancient Hebrews. Moses is said to have written the first five books of the Bible, and yet we read about his death and burial there! And Joshua made the sun stand still! And Solomon was the wisest man in the world with his 1000 wives and 600 concubines. What a role model for today! And I could go on and on.
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Godwin’s Law 😛​

I think these morally repulsive episodes are man’s ideas about God. As to Solomon, he’s no role model - he’s represented as an idolater because of his liking for females. One mistake is to treat the barbaic cruelities if Joshua as being in accord with the teaching of Jesus - that makes both moral outlooks ridiculous; Jesus’ teaching has its flaws, but it is far superior to the outlook in the Book of Joshua. It is an advance on it, not on a par with it. :eek:

There is a lot of barbaric rubbish in the OT, & what there is should not be treated as being in force; otherwise moral & social progress become impossible. The pro-slavery parts of the NT are equally outdated; as for the treatment of women, it would be disgraceful to treat them as property now, even though the OT does. In many ways we are far more civilised & humane & enlightened than the Biblical peoples - even though we have our own blindspots.
God bless the whole world - no exceptions. It would be great if religion became a bridge among people of different faiths and an instrument for peace. Too often it has been a source for bigotry and misunderstanding and even oppression and killing.
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If only… I doubt it will ever happen. Most good people have no religion - religion is what makes good people do evil 😦​

 
Gottle_of_Geer said:

Godwin’s Law 😛​

I think these morally repulsive episodes are man’s ideas about God. As to Solomon, he’s no role model - he’s represented as an idolater because of his liking for females. One mistake is to treat the barbaic cruelities if Joshua as being in accord with the teaching of Jesus - that makes both moral outlooks ridiculous; Jesus’ teaching has its flaws, but it is far superior to the outlook in the Book of Joshua. It is an advance on it, not on a par with it. :eek:

There is a lot of barbaric rubbish in the OT, & what there is should not be treated as being in force; otherwise moral & social progress become impossible. The pro-slavery parts of the NT are equally outdated; as for the treatment of women, it would be disgraceful to treat them as property now, even though the OT does. In many ways we are far more civilised & humane & enlightened than the Biblical peoples - even though we have our own blindspots.

If only… I doubt it will ever happen. Most good people have no religion - religion is what makes good people do evil 😦​

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Dude…what? I thought you were rock solid.:eek:
 
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