Do most Catholic Evolutionists tend be doubters of Noah's flood and other Old testament Factual Accounts?

[Gottle_of_Geer]

You sound more like an agnostic than even a Protestant to me from your statements about Christianity so far.

If you want to talk about the things you keep bringing up on threads not specifically about them, why not start a thread one one single subject for each – not a group, one for each. That’s how threads work decently, and proper protocol.

A person should so proper reserve when there are difficulties with the scripture and not speak out against God, and simply if something is too difficult reserve judgement. You don’t show that. You condemn God out of human wisdom and human respect.

Those who deny Him in this life, are denied by Him in the next.

The God of the Bible is frequently diabolical. He often commands appalling crimes, & when this is represented as being “God’s Will”, people quite rightly object. The Bible is filled with depravity, crime & violence - yet young children are encouraged to believe that this immoral book is holy and good To encourage them in thinking that is mental & moral pollution, or nothing is. The Bible should be​

• abolished - or
• expurgated - or
• censored - or
• withheld from circulation.

God is Lord of the world, it is He who decides who lives and dies justly. It is not any failure in being pro-life, being pro-life is letting God decide, not man. That’s all.

That is no basis for a consistent ethical position. Besides, what is said to be “the Will of God” may well be nothing but the prejudices of sinful men who have each his own agenda.​

The pro-life outlook is purely human in any case - it’s one fallible position among others; it’s not God-inspired, but man-made. Like all positions held by men on earth.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Dude…what? I thought you were rock solid.

No There are good things in the Bible, granted - but an awful lot of it is either very backward or is not in any sense Divine.​

I hate to disappoint you - but there it is In fact, I see precious little Divine about it.

 

[TheQuestioner]

No There are good things in the Bible, granted - but an awful lot of it is either very backward or is not in any sense Divine.​

I hate to disappoint you - but there it is In fact, I see precious little Divine about it.

Well then, I guess we will have to get discussing the things you believe are backward then. Catholic in name only eh? Once you are Catholic you are always Catholic haha.

 

[Hesychios]

Geneticists tell us that there is a genetic “bottleneck”, for lack of a better word, in human DNA.

They say that this suggests a massive extinction of most Homo sapiens.

Doesn’t the story of Noah say basically the same thing?

It may have been a comet strike.

Or a massive volcanic eruption could have done it.

 

[DeannaMarie]

Well i am absolutely sure that we are required to believe in Adam. Not the biblical Adam so much as a common ancestor that we call Adam and are all descended from who committed the original sin (this way no man can claim to be free of that sin, and all humans have to same origin).

Pius XII, encyclical Humani generis (1950): When there is a question of another conjectural opinion, namely, of polygenism so-called, then the sons of the Church in no way enjoy such freedom. For the faithful in Christ, cannot accept this view, which holds that either after Adam there existed men on this earth, who did not receive their origin by natural generation from him, the first parent of all; or that Adam signifies some kind of multitude of first parents; for it is by no means apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with what the sources of revealed truth and the acts of the magisterium of the Church teach about original sin, which proceeds from a sin truly committed by one Adam, and which is transmitted to all by generation, and exists in each one as his own. (Referenced in CCC 390)

CCC 61: The patriarchs, prophets, and certain other Old Testament figures have been and always will be honored as saints in all the Church’s liturgical traditions.

If Adam is real and Abraham is real, then it is at least possible that Noah is real as well.

 

[masterjedi747]

Well i am absolutely sure that we are required to believe in Adam. Not the biblical Adam so much as a common ancestor that we call Adam and are all descended from who committed the original sin.

That’s correct.

But are we required to believe in Noah?

I believe so, yes.
Although I sincerely doubt that the flood was global (for scientific reasons), I don’t have much problem letting it have localized yet large enough to wipe out everyone but Noah and his family. There’s also some support for this, as I understand it, from the prevalence of ancient flood mythology in other cultures around the world.

And I have little or no problem at all with other miracles that took place in the Old Testament… mostly just some questions that I haven’t sorted out yet. But if I find out that we’re required to take them as literal, then so be it.