Do Muslims and Catholics worship the same God?

[Bahaitruth]

Jews and Moslems did a good job covering their tracks.

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

General warning
Remain on the topic of the OP please

 

[Buddyroe]

No they do not, if they did they would be Christian.

Colossians 2:8,9 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

The question was also raised about Jews. The answer to that is more complex, some do worship the same God as us most don’t. Of all the NT writers only one (Luke) was a gentile, even Peter was a Jew.

A Jew can remain a Jew after confessing Christ, a Muslim can not.

 

[PRmerger]

No they do not, if they did they would be Christian.

So do you believe that Lutherans and Calvinists worship a different Christ, in that Lutherans profess the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, but Calvinists do not?

 

[Buddyroe]

Some Jews do understand the Trinity and some of those even believe (in Jesus) and are baptized (a ceremony of Jewish origins.)

Let’s be careful about who owns the definition of the Trinity. Jesus defined His relationship to the hypo static union, the Church received and preserved what He gave to it. The definition of the Holy Trinity was not invented by the Church.

It is one thing to bandy about the name of Jesus, it is quite another to confess Him as Lord, Savior and very God.

 

[Anziano]

I’ve never understood how God can forgive a LOT of stuff, but not believing the right things about God…that’s a deal breaker?

I know a lot of Muslims. I think they worship God. I may not agree with everything they do, but I think they are worshiping the God of Abraham.

 

[PRmerger]

I’ve never understood how God can forgive a LOT of stuff, but not believing the right things about God…that’s a deal breaker?

Well, we only go by what Jesus said, Anziano. He said it, so we believe it.
No one comes to the Father except through Him.

 

[Buddyroe]

So do you believe that Lutherans and Calvinists worship a different Christ, in that Lutherans profess the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, but Calvinists do not?

Though question. Simple answer is yes they worship the same Christ (the person of our Savior), they honor the same words the same practice the same feast. However they do have differing doctrines on the presence of Christ in worship, clearly at least one of them must be wrong in their practice.
Do Lutherans venerate the host? I believe they do, Calvinists of course do not.
Worship as a position of faith unifies all Christians.
Worship as a practice has always and still does present a certain amount of discord.

Well I have tried to wiggle out of this, don’t know if you are going to let off quite that easy.

 

[PRmerger]

Though question. Simple answer is yes they worship the same Christ (the person of our Savior), they honor the same words the same practice the same feast. However they do have differing doctrines on the presence of Christ in worship, clearly at least one of them must be wrong in their practice.
Do Lutherans venerate the host? I believe they do, Calvinists of course do not.
Worship as a position of faith unifies all Christians.
Worship as a practice has always and still does present a certain amount of discord.

Well I have tried to wiggle out of this, don’t know if you are going to let off quite that easy.

Nope–you’re not getting off that easy here, Buddy.

So, I assume you see the inconsistency in your 2 positions? Muslims worship a different Go because they have a different understanding of Him, even though they have some similarities with us (God is One. God is Creator. God is merciful. God is Just).

But Lutherans and Calvinists worship the same Christ, even though they have some different understandings (to wit: the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist).

What say you to this inconsistency?

 

[FrDavid96]

Though question. Simple answer is yes they worship the same Christ (the person of our Savior), they honor the same words the same practice the same feast. However they do have differing doctrines on the presence of Christ in worship, clearly at least one of them must be wrong in their practice.
Do Lutherans venerate the host? I believe they do, Calvinists of course do not.
Worship as a position of faith unifies all Christians.
Worship as a practice has always and still does present a certain amount of discord.

Well I have tried to wiggle out of this, don’t know if you are going to let off quite that easy.

The question of the thread is “Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?”

The question is not “how do they worship?” or even “is their worship right?” or to take it even further “can/do they go to heaven?”

Those are all different questions. Legitimate ones, yes. But they’re just not the question at hand.

 

[Buddyroe]

I’ve never understood how God can forgive a LOT of stuff, but not believing the right things about God…that’s a deal breaker?

I know a lot of Muslims. I think they worship God. I may not agree with everything they do, but I think they are worshiping the God of Abraham.

Muslims can’t even say ‘Abraham’ were it not for God’s Holy word the Bible. Their co-ran came about a long time afterwards, their claims of holy inspiration are somewhat mistrustful.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Though question. Simple answer is yes they worship the same Christ (the person of our Savior), they honor the same words the same practice the same feast. However they do have differing doctrines on the presence of Christ in worship, clearly at least one of them must be wrong in their practice.
Do Lutherans venerate the host? I believe they do, Calvinists of course do not.
Worship as a position of faith unifies all Christians.
Worship as a practice has always and still does present a certain amount of discord.

Well I have tried to wiggle out of this, don’t know if you are going to let off quite that easy.

The doctrine comes back to interpretation of scripture and bible bullying to in the end all agree with grace and faith and redemption with further elaboration. The bigger issue in relation to worship and muslims is by large we all see the beatitudes through the Cross. Which leads back to the dialogue and understanding of God

jesuschristsavior.net/Beatitudes.html

 

[Buddyroe]

The question of the thread is “Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?”

The question is not “how do they worship?” or even “is their worship right?” or to take it even further “can/do they go to heaven?”

Those are all different questions. Legitimate ones, yes. But they’re just not the question at hand.

Quite right, Catholic Answers has specific threads for discussing the host in communion.

My apologies for going off subject.

 

[PRmerger]

Quite right, Catholic Answers has specific threads for discussing the host in communion.

My apologies for going off subject.

There is a parallel here that still needs to be addressed:

You are saying that Muslims do not have the same beliefs in entirety with Christians, and therefore do not worship the same God.

Yet you also acknowledge that Lutherans do not share the same beliefs in entirety with Calvinists, yet you do NOT believe they worship a different Christ.

Why the inconsistency, Buddy?

 

[FrDavid96]

Muslims can’t even say ‘Abraham’ were it not for God’s Holy word the Bible.

That just doesn’t make any sense. Abraham pre-dates the Bible.

So, are you saying that Abraham’s son Isaac “could not say Abraham” because Isaac did not have a Bible?

Their co-ran came about a long time afterwards, their claims of holy inspiration are somewhat mistrustful.

And this thread is not about whether-or-not the Koran is inspired. That’s an altogether different question.

 

[Buddyroe]

Nope–you’re not getting off that easy here, Buddy.

So, I assume you see the inconsistency in your 2 positions? Muslims worship a different Go because they have a different understanding of Him, even though they have some similarities with us (God is One. God is Creator. God is merciful. God is Just).

But Lutherans and Calvinists worship the same Christ, even though they have some different understandings (to wit: the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist).

What say you to this inconsistency?

Jesus said: I am the way the truth and the light no man comes to the Father but by me.

 

[PRmerger]

Jesus said: I am the way the truth and the light no man comes to the Father but by me.

Amen!

He also said that unless you eat his flesh and drink his blood you won’t have eternal life. So Lutherans might say that you are not worshipping the same Christ, yes?

 

[Buddyroe]

Amen!

He also said that unless you eat his flesh and drink his blood you won’t have eternal life. So Lutherans might say that you are not worshipping the same Christ, yes?

FrDavid96 reminded me that I was going off topic for this thread, so may I suggest if you wish to discuss consubstantiation with me that we move it over to the Consubstantiation/Lutheran thread.

Thank you,

 

[PRmerger]

FrDavid96 reminded me that I was going off topic for this thread, so may I suggest if you wish to discuss consubstantiation with me that we move it over to the Consubstantiation/Lutheran thread.

Thank you,

I am not making any attempt to discuss the Real Presence with you, Buddy.

I am trying to get you to address your inconsistency in logic.

If you believe that Muslims worship a different God (on topic), then you also must, logically, declare that Lutherans are worshipping a different Christ (still on topic, as it applies to applying the same paradigm.)

How do you reconcile this inconsistency, Buddy?

Either Lutherans and Calvinists worship different Christs, and Muslims worship a different God…

OR

Lutherans and Calvinists still worship the same Christ, even with different understandings, AND Muslims worship the same God, even with different understandings.

Which is your answer?

 

[Buddyroe]

That just doesn’t make any sense. Abraham pre-dates the Bible.

So, are you saying that Abraham’s son Isaac “could not say Abraham” because Isaac did not have a Bible?

And this thread is not about whether-or-not the Koran is inspired. That’s an altogether different question.

The co-ran is their source of faith it is how they know what they believe, how they define God and it is a different definition of God, a different God. Sorry FrDavid96, this time I am on topic for this thread.