Do Muslims and Catholics worship the same God?

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Vouthon said:
Oh, I forgot to reference this verse from the Tanakh:

The prophet Malachi implies here that God’s name is revered among the many pagan nations, who, while not possessing the revelation of God to the Jews, are still worshipping Adonai, even if unknowingly so.
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All good info Vouthon, Malachi came to mind earlier when understanding evil in relation to one God.

“Those who do the will of God and are righteous will be spared”, or those who follow the spiritual law be it they know it or not follow God, evil is known by those who do evil. The misunderstanding always seems to be that the commandments where not given for any other reason but love so that man might persevere here more easily and in proper spiritual order and respect.

biblehub.com/summary/malachi/1.htm

Malachi, the last book of the Bible, ends very differently than it began in the book of Genesis. Let us compare them:

Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” This was a beautiful and perfect relationship with God.

Malachi 4:6, “He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse.”

Nevertheless in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, the God of Abraham, Creator, so it also true this harkens back to the Creator 200’s of the CCC in contextual reading going forward.

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p4.htm

279 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."116 Holy Scripture begins with these solemn words. The profession of faith takes them up when it confesses that God the Father almighty is “Creator of heaven and earth” (Apostles’ Creed), “of all that is, seen and unseen” (Nicene Creed).

Peace
 
Servant19 said:
If, 6000 years ago, a man comes up to me and performs countless miracles, shows me the essence of love and reveals the Word of God and I fall in love with Him and He becomes my Beloved, and He tells us that He is from God, and that God is only the one to worship, and that this bull is a reminder of His love, and that I should worship this bull to remind myself of Gods love for me and my people, I WILL WORSHIP THAT BULL 🙂

Today, I worship God through my devotion to the Father, Baha’u’llah

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Do you understand what is meant by the word worship? That worship in this sense is the highest possible honour, veneration and attention given? You would worship an animal and be totally fine with that? Or are you just using words however you want to use them?

Was God mistaken in punishing the Israelite for worshiping the Golden bull. Should God have lit the altar to Ba’al as well as the altar to himself?
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
Do you understand what is meant by the word worship? That worship in this sense is the highest possible honour, veneration and attention given? You would worship an animal and be totally fine with that? Or are you just using words however you want to use them?

Was God mistaken in punishing the Israelite for worshiping the Golden bull. Should God have lit the altar to Ba’al as well as the altar to himself?
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Ignatio - the Bahai-ers will worship anything as long as they think it is for the “greater good.”
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
Do you understand what is meant by the word worship? That worship in this sense is the highest possible honour, veneration and attention given? You would worship an animal and be totally fine with that? Or are you just using words however you want to use them?

Was God mistaken in punishing the Israelite for worshiping the Golden bull. Should God have lit the altar to Ba’al as well as the altar to himself?
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Ignatian, don’t think so much about the bull, think more about the who.

Who told them to worship the Golden bull?

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Servant19 said:
That’s a fallacy and mean spirited comment Katie 🙂

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I don’t think you know what a fallacy is. If Katie is wrong however, why will you not concede the worship of the golden calf by Israel as an act of deliberate rebellion against God which God punished? You seem to approve of it.

Also do you think you are being deep and mysterious by saying don’t think about the golden calf? Now the elders of Israel came to Aaron and asked him to make a God for them to worship and he made it and they worshiped it. Was this legitimate? It seems at least according to you that they were perfectly fine in doing this, yet God was so angry with them. Why was God furious at them for doing what was good in your eyes?
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
I don’t think you know what a fallacy is. If Katie is wrong however, why will you not concede the worship of the golden calf by Israel as an act of deliberate rebellion against God which God punished? You seem to approve of it.

Also do you think you are being deep and mysterious by saying don’t think about the golden calf? Now the elders of Israel came to Aaron and asked him to make a God for them to worship and he made it and they worshiped it. Was this legitimate? It seems at least according to you that they were perfectly fine in doing this, yet God was so angry with them. Why was God furious at them for doing what was good in your eyes?
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Yet again, ignatian, you have not read any of my responses to your questions.

I’m not bothering to answer your questions any more.

Thank you and God bless 🙂

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IgnatianPhilo said:
I don’t think you know what a fallacy is. If Katie is wrong however, why will you not concede the worship of the golden calf by Israel as an act of deliberate rebellion against God which God punished? You seem to approve of it.

Also do you think you are being deep and mysterious by saying don’t think about the golden calf? Now the elders of Israel came to Aaron and asked him to make a God for them to worship and he made it and they worshiped it. Was this legitimate? It seems at least according to you that they were perfectly fine in doing this, yet God was so angry with them. Why was God furious at them for doing what was good in your eyes?
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Was Aaron a speaker for God at his time?

No!

Moses was!

Moses’ teachings about God was authority.

Ignatian, you really don’t read…you’re wasting my time friend…
 
Servant19 said:
Was Aaron a speaker for God at his time?

No!

Moses was!

Moses’ teachings about God was authority.

Ignatian, you really don’t read…you’re wasting my time friend…
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My point is you don’t think Aaron was wrong.
 
Servant19 said:
LOL

LOL

Oh my goodness!!!

Where did I say that?
Please quote me…

That goes for you too Katie …

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“It doesn’t matter what the Deity is. It can be a Golden Bull as far as I am concerned, the reality is that God wishes to be worshipped as an “INNER” expression of purity which manifests itself in human beings reflecting Godly attributes in their character.”

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IgnatianPhilo said:
“It doesn’t matter what the Deity is. It can be a Golden Bull as far as I am concerned, the reality is that God wishes to be worshipped as an “INNER” expression of purity which manifests itself in human beings reflecting Godly attributes in their character.”

Post #460
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This is why a precise reading of posts is so important.

This post you quoted requires context.

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Servant19 said:
If, 6000 years ago, a man comes up to me and performs countless miracles, shows me the essence of love and reveals the Word of God and I fall in love with Him and He becomes my Beloved, and He tells us that He is from God, and that God is only the one to worship, and that this bull is a reminder of His love, and that I should worship this bull to remind myself of Gods love for me and my people, I WILL WORSHIP THAT BULL 🙂

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Moses was the man. His word was the Word…

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God prefers Godly deeds and incorrect faith over correct faith and ungodly deeds

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Katie_Kilbane said:
SMH - Glorified and exalted is God above all that you ascribe to Him.
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I don’t ascribe anything…

This is the true standard:
The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the recognition of Him Who is the Dayspring of His Revelation and the Fountain of His laws, Who representeth the Godhead in both the Kingdom of His Cause and the world of creation. Whoso achieveth this duty hath attained unto all good; and whoso is deprived thereof hath gone astray, though he be the author of every righteous deed. It behoveth every one who reacheth this most sublime station, this summit of transcendent glory, to observe every ordinance of Him Who is the Desire of the world. These twin duties are inseparable. Neither is acceptable without the other. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the Source of Divine inspiration
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  • Baha’u’llah
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Servant19 said:
I don’t ascribe anything…

This is the true standard:

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No, just no. Bahai true standard is calling to nothing more than all out worship of the creation. This is not an inspiration from God at all.

OT: You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them,

NT: Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

“Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.”

QURAN:
Say, “O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah.” But if they turn away, then say, “Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him].”

Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly gone far astray.
 
Servant19 said:
God prefers Godly deeds and incorrect faith over correct faith and ungodly deeds

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How about what Catholicism professes: Godly deeds and correct faith?

That seems to be the correct paradigm to espouse. Not erroneous ones where one says, “Well, at least I am doing something good even if I do worship a BULL!”
 
Katie_Kilbane said:
Ignatio - the Bahai-ers will worship anything as long as they think it is for the “greater good.”
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“The Greatest Good” is the emanation of God’s Will into creation.

And now alignment with the greatest good, in this the Day of Resurrection, means working towards an end to strife and quarrels and enmity between the servants of God who follow the Quran and the servants of God who follow the Injil.
 
Ignatian, Katie, Servant, PRmerger,

I actually lost everyone in the discussion here. Can someone summarize the different positions presented?

I got confused…(i.e. I really like Katie’s quotes and Ignatian’s point). 🙂
 
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