Do Muslims and Catholics worship the same God?

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Jesus Christ the Alpha and the Omega. Its the same circle as discussed, the God of Abraham.

Adam first covenant? Yes?
 
PRmerger said:
What “erroneousness” have I professed? :confused:
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Not erroneousness from you per se PR, it’s just that a lot of people seemed to dismiss the quote of Baha’u’llah explicitly talking about Faith and deeds being unacceptable unless they were found together in the human being.

Hope that helps clarify things 😃

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As salamu Aleykum.

Jesus is not the only way to god.

People asked him how they will recognize a true prophet.
If he was Alpha and Omega, or the last prophet, he would have answered, " I am the ONLY way to god and there is no prophet after me".

But he did not.
He said: by their fruits you will recognize them.

There will be true prophet and false prophet after Jesus (saw)
 
As salamu Aleykum.

About God:

We muslim believe that we have the same god as the prophets.

Moses and Jesus said:

Shema Israel, Adonai Eloh inou Adonai Ekhad.
Hear o Israel our god (Eloh) or god is unique (Ekhad)

Muhammad is ordered to say:

Ghul’ hu w’Allah ou Ahad
Say god (Allah) is unique (Ahad)

Sound similar ? Of course it is.
Hebrew, arameic and arab are sisters languages. They are all semitic languages.
Between Eloh and Ekhad of Moses and Jesus and Allah and Ahad of Muhammad, the diferance is a dot.

In Arameic the language of Jesus, god, is Alaah.

You can check it here
atour.com/dictionary/

So we Muslim believe that we have the same god as the prophets and there is only one religion. But we do not accept the interpretation done by some humans about what god is.
We do not accept the concept of Trinity.
We do not accept the concept that God has begotten a son. Begotten not created, or made. We do not accept god incarnation in an human being. We do not accept that god chose a race, or one nation and forget all others for 1000s of years and so and so…
 
Salam Aleykum.

Here is the quotation:

Matthew 7

15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

By their fruit you will recognize what ? Prophets…
Good prophet = good fruit
Bad prophet = bad fruit

As our position towards the bible, we believe that there is word of god in the bible:
ex: I am God and there is nothing beside me.
We believe there is word of prophets in it.
ex: you have heard it was said, but I tell to you

But we have more than that:
we have words of historians:
ex: He saw a taxe collector named Matthew

And we have lies:
The piercing of Jesus in John’s gospel.
The death comming to live in Matthew’s gospel.
The story of the adulterous woman in John’s gospel…
All the " I am this and I am that" of Jesus in John’s gospel and so and so…
 
As salamu Aleykum

According to Judaism god only made his covenant with the seed of Isaac. And there is no prophets for other races, other humans…

According to christianity, (the big part) God chose a semitic guy to incarnate his son or himself (not clear). He chose a race, above the others… He did not chose a chinese…

Both positions are very problematic for a Fair and Just God.

According to Islam, the blessing of god is for everyone and god send prophets to all mankind and god do not incarnate to a human being…
 
The story of the adulterous woman is not found in the most anciant manupscipts.
It’s is not found in the codex Vaticanus nor in the codex Alexandrianus.
You find it in the gospel of John much later in 6th or 7th century.
It’s a clear addition to the gospel of John.

The end of what you have quoted, has nothing to do with the prophets but is a warning to christians only…

We Muslim do not call Jesus Lord!
Atheists do not call Jesus Lord!
Jews do not call Jesus Lord!

You christian are calling him Lord! And he well reject you even with all the mighty works… Why he is rejecting you ? Because you are calling him LORD. And He is not your Lord…

Jesus said:

This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
 
My friend, i apreciate your faith and the fact you try to protect it.
but fact is something else.

God chose a man, jewish or not does not matter. It would have been same problem if Jesus was a chinese or a black man.
The fact is: god chose a man,a race above the others to incarnate himself or his son!!!
Allah does not chose only Jesus… As i told you, Allah send prophets to all nations and all tribes…
According to islam, they were more than 124 000 prophets send to all tribes and mankind. Jesus is one of the, send only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

I am not in danger of using my brain that God Himself gave me.

Fully god and fully human…
this is a nonesens… How can a fully man be a god ? which fully man is a god… Jesus was not like us then… none of us was or is a fully god… But all of us are fully humans…

As we have nothing to do with Jesus, he can not be fully us…
 
It seems not only a serious misunderstanding of Christianity, but of Islam as well

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I am well aware it is not found in the oldest copies of scripture. But why have you have chosen that passage in particular and what in it is untruthful?
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it’s not in particular, it’s one fraud between others…
It is a warning to those listening to Christ to learn to distinguish between those who preach in his name and those who do not, amongst other things. Now the passage has nothing to do with prophets when a short while ago it did?
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To my undrestanding Jesus is talking about various subjects… one of them is the prophets , one of them is the jugement of god and so and so…
What of that? I presume you do not measure your faith against that of atheists.
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Why not ?
the fact is that jesus is adressing to those who call him Lord Lord…
Amen, a most truly Catholic sentiment.
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But according to us muslim, you misundrestood it…
And i am giving you the meaning according to us.
 
It does not matter if we have their name or not. I am not qualified enough to know them…
Our position is a fair and just position for a fair and just god.
to the arabs it was ismael,
tribes in africa were monotheists and so and so…
Their messages were not for humanity but for their tribes only… it was not meant to be preserved… We could not ever preserve the message of Jesus…
Jesus was preaching the gospel… But he was not preaching Mark, luke, Matthew or John…
 
Muslima1988 said:
As salamu Aleykum

According to Judaism god only made his covenant with the seed of Isaac. And there is no prophets for other races, other humans…

According to christianity, (the big part) God chose a semitic guy to incarnate his son or himself (not clear). He chose a race, above the others… He did not chose a chinese…

Both positions are very problematic for a Fair and Just God.
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God chose the Israeli people to reveal himself but he desires that all be saved. Chinese and Muslim too. You can say that God “choses” that all be saved. He could have limited salvation just to the Israel people, just to men, or just to people with brown eyes. God is not only fair and just, God is Love,
According to Islam, the blessing of god is for everyone
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and god send prophets to all mankind
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Through the prophets of the Old Testament God revealed himself over time and they pointed to his Son, Jesus Christ.
and god do not incarnate to a human being…
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that is your faith tradition, but we find that the twelve apostles believed that Jesus was the Messiah, God incarnate and they testify to his death on the cross, his resurrection from the dead and his time on earth for forty days to the apostles after his resurrection. They also testify that he ascended to heaven and will return to judge both the living and the dead. Holding to the beliefs above, eleven of the twelve apostles died as martyrs as did St Paul.

PnP
 
Muslima1988 the question; “Do Muslims and Catholics worship the same God?”

Peace
 
Muslima1988 said:
It does not matter if we have their name or not. I am not qualified enough to know them…
Our position is a fair and just position for a fair and just god.
to the arabs it was ismael,
tribes in africa were monotheists and so and so…
Their messages were not for humanity but for their tribes only… it was not meant to be preserved… We could not ever preserve the message of Jesus…
Jesus was preaching the gospel… But he was not preaching Mark, luke, Matthew or John…
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I examine such an idea which muslims give by simply asking a few questions. No doubt you are basing the idea that Jesus’s teachings were limited only to the jews based on the bible.

"He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” Mathew 15:24

You base an entire argument on this one verse but we have to ask some questions if this was the case and perhaps you can answer them. Why did the apostolic movement after the ministry of Jesus soon include within it’s ranks gentiles? That they did this there is no doubt by the testimony of Paul and that they were in communion, these gentile communities of believers, with the primary church at Jerusalem cannot be denied as Paul asks the Corinthians to send money to the church at Jerusalem.

1 Corinthians 16:1 “Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 3 Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem. 4 If it seems advisable for me to go also, they will accompany me.”

So the primary apostolic church located at Jerusalem was receiving money for the relief of a famine from gentiles. Why were the apostles that Christ had chosen so willing to receive from the gentiles if Christ had condemned gentiles to never receiving the gospel? Did the Apostles so radically misinterpret the message of Jesus? Or is possible that Christ told them to baptise all nations in the name of the father son and holy spirit (Mathew 28:19)?

How do you as a Muslim square the history with what the quran says? That there was a true remnant of followers who would be victorious? Take in mind we have no hint of a presence of the Islamic Jesus in the first century.

Also, whoever said that Jesus preached Mathew Mark Luke and john? Rather Mathew mark, Luke and John preached the gospel of Jesus.
 
Muslima1988 said:
As salamu Aleykum.

About God:

We muslim believe that we have the same god as the prophets.

Moses and Jesus said:

Shema Israel, Adonai Eloh inou Adonai Ekhad.
Hear o Israel our god (Eloh) or god is unique (Ekhad)

Muhammad is ordered to say:

Ghul’ hu w’Allah ou Ahad
Say god (Allah) is unique (Ahad)

Sound similar ? Of course it is.
Hebrew, arameic and arab are sisters languages. They are all semitic languages.
Between Eloh and Ekhad of Moses and Jesus and Allah and Ahad of Muhammad, the diferance is a dot.

In Arameic the language of Jesus, god, is Alaah.

You can check it here
atour.com/dictionary/

So we Muslim believe that we have the same god as the prophets and there is only one religion. But we do not accept the interpretation done by some humans about what god is.
We do not accept the concept of Trinity.
We do not accept the concept that God has begotten a son. Begotten not created, or made. We do not accept god incarnation in an human being. We do not accept that god chose a race, or one nation and forget all others for 1000s of years and so and so…
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Judaism does NOT believe that G-d “forgot” about all other nations. There are several occasions in the Hebrew Bible when G-d bestows his forgiveness toward the Gentiles and holds Israel to greater account for their sins. And throughout history the Jews have been punished for their failures more so than other peoples. Refer to the Book of Jonah for example, in which G-d spares the people of Nineveh after they repent. This Book is traditionally read on Yom Kippur (The Day of Atonement) as a reminder that G-d rules and judges the whole world, not only the Jewish people, and bestows His forgiveness upon all who atone. The concept of the “Chosen People” does NOT mean the Jews are chosen for special favor or for either earthly or heavenly salvation, while others perish. What it does mean is that the Jewish people were chosen for the revelation of G-d’s Law (some Jews say only after the Law was offered to other peoples who rejected it). This is unique in the history of mankind in that revelation was not given to a single prophet or his disciples but to a whole nation. Thus the Jews are held to a higher standard than other nations and serve as a priestly people whose mission is to uphold the Word of G-d by keeping the Law in their hearts and through their deeds. All people, however, are held to the standard of the Noahide Law in their moral behavior.
 
Just so we are clear about things here:

There are some folks who think that the claim that Catholics and Muslims DO worship the same God necessarily means:
  • -everything that Muslims profess must therefore be embraced by Catholics
  • -that Catholics are denying the Trinity
  • -that Catholics are denying the atoning death of Christ
  • -that Catholics are denying anything at all about our dogmas and doctrines when we profess that Muslims worship the same God
Nothing could be further from the truth.

It is not necessary to conclude any of the above when we profess that Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

What it means is this: where the Muslims get it right–and they do get it right about a lot of things about our God–we give them a 👍 and we invite them to evangelize all of the other folks who get it wrong in these areas.

And where the Muslims get it wrong–and they do get it wrong about a lot of things about our God–we evangelize them.

Nothing more and nothing less. 🤷
 
PorknPie , PRmerger:

I would disagree that Islam taught against the Christian beliefs but rather it qualified them. For instance the atonement & resurrection of Jesus was turned into a symbol rather than the Apex/Final event it is understood by Christians to be. The finality of Moses was superceded by Jesus’s atonement, so Jesus’s atonement was superceded by Muhammad’s Messengership.
 
Bahaitruth said:
PorknPie , PRmerger:

I would disagree that Islam taught again the Christian beliefs but rather it qualified them. For instance the atonement & resurrection of Jesus was turned into a symbol rather than the Apex/Final event it is understood by Christians to be. The finality of Moses was superceded by Jesus’s atonement, so Jesus’s atonement was superceded by Muhammad’s Messengership.
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What “qualified them” means: the former is correct, but here’s a better understanding of what happened.

HOWEVER, what Islam says is: the former is incorrect. Here’s what actually happened.

That is, Jesus did not atone for one’s sins.

Thus, Islam does indeed teach against the Christian faith.
 
PRmerger said:
What “qualified them” means: the former is correct, but here’s a better understanding of what happened.

HOWEVER, what Islam says is: the former is incorrect. Here’s what actually happened.

That is, Jesus did not atone for one’s sins.

Thus, Islam does indeed teach against the Christian faith.
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Can you show me where in the Quran it says that Jesus did not atone for sins please?

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PRmerger, well yeah, Muslims that say that are wrong… Even Christians that say a similar thing about Moses are wrong (Christians claiming that Moses’s 10 commandments and Law are thrown out).

But you are correct that Chrisianity and Judaism are more solidly linked (Old and New Testament form one book).

For Baha’is, the Quran is the third testament.
 
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