Do Muslims Worship the Same God as Catholics?

[hamba2han]

If Christians place so much importance on doing prayers in private, then why build Churches at all?

 

[Mr.Bee]

If Christians place so much importance on doing prayers in private, then why build Churches at all?

(heavy sigh…)
I don’t know why Christians built so many Churches and expect us to attend every Sunday? Because the nuns told me so, gets me out of bed Sunday morning, teaches me how to play well with others?

All I know is that I pray, and I go to Chruch, and every once in awhile something happens that keeps me praying and coming back. Thats all.

 

[Booklover]

Muslims, particularly the men, are encouraged to perform the salat prayers in congregation at the mosque.

On the other hand, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) advises that non-obligatory prayers are best done in the prvacy of one’s home.

How’s that for striking a nice balance in matters of worship?

Sounds like boasting to me!

One of the names of the Creator is the Most Merciful and Muslims do indeed continually pray for His Mercy.

Nice try, but you did not answer what I asked! Do Muslims ask God to have mercy on the whole world?

Vickie

 

[hamba2han]

Do Muslims ask God to have mercy on the whole world?

Some do and some don’t.

Are you saying that it is any different when it comes to Christian prayer?

According to the teachings of Christianity, can non-Christians reasonably expect to enter the kingdom of Heaven and escape the fires of Hell if they do not accept Jesus as their Lord and personal saviour?

 

[Kadaveri]

I posted this information on a different post, it is from Father Trosch. You may look more in depth in what he has to say I just posted some interesting facts from his site trosch.org/bks/islm/allah_false_god.html.

The generic term “allah” is translated into the English equivalent “god.” It can be used to relate to any concept of deity including pagan allahs’, totem pole worshippers allah, the allah of the Hindus, the allah of the Buddhists, or the allah of witchcraft otherwise known as Satan. Christians in Muslim countries can properly use the term Allah in reference to Jesus, or Allah the Father, or Allah the Holy Spirit with the difference being that the members of the Holy Trinity are the true God.
The concept “Allah,” the Muslim idea of a single being they consider “god” with supposed eternal existence, portrays only an unmotivated and undifferentiated being. The multiplicity of gods of the ancient pagan Romans illustrated the recognition of a need for motivational variables in relation to creation. In this sense the Roman’s concept relating to creation is superior to that of Islam.

    Picture the purported being of the concept known as Allah.  It is a presumed creator but was not created and that was without having reason to think, to develop ideas, to use language, nor did it have the availability of images or beings to reflect upon in order to have or develop thought processes.  In other words Allah represents the concept of existing blankness, an empty intellect.

ctically speaking, Allah can only be a fabrication of man’s imagination. Allah is a human construct that serves humanistic purposes. The concept Allah should be seen as a totally unmotivated existence without purpose or need for using reason; a being without impetus to create. Allah is an imaginary construct, not a reality. It is a construct in part formulated by using Judeo-Christian teachings (Scriptures) derived within Mohammed’s imagination in association with his wife who financially provided for him. Mohammed’s first and only true wife was a Catholic-Christian (who highly venerated the “Blessed Virgin Mary”). The only form of Christian of that place and time frame.

Allah is a non-existent being constructed by Mohammed through a perversion of Judeo-Christian teachings. Any Christian who accepts as real the non-existent god termed Allah, or associates it with “Yahweh” of the Biblical Trinity, is heretical and risks eternal damnation if not repentant. – Quotes from the Koran, the holy book of Islam - emphasis added:
The Qur’an rejects the concept of the “The Holy Trinity”: [Surat 4.171 – “O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa (Jesus) son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.”]
There is a lot more information but I think that this gets the main point across.

Sadly this information is all completely false. The Arabic word this site is actually describing is ‘ilah’ not ‘Allah’. ‘Allah’ is a unique word and cannot be used for anything else than God, and it most certainly cannot be pluralised like the writer has done with ‘Allahs’, there no plural form on the word.

And Muhammad’s first wife was not a Catholic…

 

[Mr.Bee]

One of the names of the Creator is the Most Merciful and Muslims do indeed continually pray for His Mercy.

I’ll be honest, I usually pray to thank God for keeping me alive, keeping me out of trouble (this includes looking like an idiot) and occasionally I ask for a favor. I’m always humbled.

 

[Booklover]

Some do and some don’t.

Are you saying that it is any different when it comes to Christian prayer?

I never said that!

According to the teachings of Christianity, can non-Christians reasonably expect to enter the kingdom of Heaven and escape the fires of Hell if they do not accept Jesus as their Lord and personal saviour?

This has been answered before! Let me ask you, since the Quran states that Allah does not accept any other religion but Islam, will Christians go to heaven??

Vickie

 

[Mr.Bee]

Some do and some don’t.

Are you saying that it is any different when it comes to Christian prayer?

According to the teachings of Christianity, can non-Christians reasonably expect to enter the kingdom of Heaven and escape the fires of Hell if they do not accept Jesus as their Lord and personal saviour?

See… This is where I think everybody has it wrong. It’s not up to anybody on Earth to decide the rules of acceptance into Heaven. It’s just not that simple, the instructions are NOT written down anywhere, period. Accepting Jesus Christ or accepting Islam is not a golden ticket, and unless I hear it from God himself, I wont believe it just because it is “written”. One group says one thing, the other says something else. maybe you’re both wrong?

That sounds kind of agnostic, but I have a Monty Python outlook on religion.

I grow weary of this.

 

[hamba2han]

Let me ask you, since the Quran states that Allah does not accept any other religion but Islam, will Christians go to heaven??

It is best that the Qur’an itself answer your question:

005.082-85
**Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

And when they hear what has been revealed to the messenger you will see their eyes overflowing with tears on account of the truth that they recognize; they say: Our Lord! we believe, so write us down with the witnesses (of truth).

And what (reason) have we that we should not believe in Allah and in the truth that has come to us, while we earnestly desire that our Lord should cause us to enter with the good people?

Therefore Allah rewarded them on account of what they said, with gardens in which rivers flow to abide in them; and this is the reward of those who do good (to others).**

As you can see, the important thing to note here is that Paradise awaits those Christians who do good AND who recognize the Truth that is the Qur’an.

If they do not get so overcome with emotion whenever they read the Qur’an that their eyes overflow with tears when they recognize the Truth, then it is very likely that they are not the kind of Christians who will be rewarded with a place in Paradise.

 

[Angelos]

It is best that the Qur’an itself answer your question:

005.082-85
**Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

And when they hear what has been revealed to the messenger you will see their eyes overflowing with tears on account of the truth that they recognize; they say: Our Lord! we believe, so write us down with the witnesses (of truth).

And what (reason) have we that we should not believe in Allah and in the truth that has come to us, while we earnestly desire that our Lord should cause us to enter with the good people?

Therefore Allah rewarded them on account of what they said, with gardens in which rivers flow to abide in them; and this is the reward of those who do good (to others).**

As you can see, the important thing to note here is that Paradise awaits those Christians who do good AND who recognize the Truth that is the Qur’an.

If they do not get so overcome with emotion whenever they read the Qur’an that their eyes overflow with tears when they recognize the Truth, then it is very likely that they are not the kind of Christians who will be rewarded with a place in Paradise.

I also read these verses in your Koran:

003: 019 The religion before Allah is Islam.

003: 085 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).

Thanks for letting us see the discrepancies in your scripture

Peace to you,
Angelos N.

 

[hamba2han]

Thanks for letting us see the discrepancies in your scripture

Christians who recognise the Truth of the Qur’an will naturally follow the path of this Truth and embrace Islam.

I do not see any discrepancy here.

 

[cestusdei]

I do not see the quran as true. I reject it. I will never ever accept Islam under any circumstances. It doesn’t even tell you how to do salat does it? So it apparently does not contain even what muslims need to know. It never tells us the real truth ie. that God is love. I choose Jesus over Muhammed.

 

[Angelos]

Christians who recognise the Truth of the Qur’an will naturally follow the path of this Truth and embrace Islam.

I do not see any discrepancy here.

This means you believe that the Koran considers some Christians Muslim??? The Christian that embraces the alleged true path in your scripture becomes a Muslim and cannot be called a Christian anymore! Why does your book call those converts “Christian” even after their conversion then?

 

[Montalban]

Interesting.
The fact remains however that it is difficult to know God, even in a basic sense, if anybody had the answer then we wouldn’t be having this discussion, now would we

We are all flawed. Some may aim at staying flawed.

Whenever somebody makes a point, even a strong one, somebody else invariably has a counterpoint. You can argue with a Muslim till you’re blue in the face and it will go nowhere. The only way to quiet them is to actually do what God commands us to do… which apparently is impossible.

Does the fact that there is disagreement mean that none of us are right?

So… Who are the Muslims listening to when they blow themselves (and a bunch of other people) up?

I believe Islam is evil. The author of evil is Satan, a created being. Moslems worship a created being.

The proofs of this lie in the fact that their ‘ideal’ man, their prophet had intercouse with a child. He oversaw the massacre of PoWs. He laughed when his enemies were murdered. He encouraged people to lie.

 

[Gara3987]

I will have to admit that I agree with Montalban 100% of the way.

 

[Gara3987]

This is something interesting I have come across; I was interested in seeing some of the results but they’re not posted, it has been done by Father Trosch’s and is located at his site @ trosch.org/the/muslims-questions.html. If you are a muslim and would like to reply you may go to the reply form @ trosch.org/mnu/email-form_muslim.html.

Muslims! Do You Really
Know Your Faith ?

Perhaps by being forced to memorize your faith you have foregone the understanding of what is necessary to appreciate Islam as more than practices that have been thrust upon you!

The questions below are meant to have Muslims
Examine Their Beliefs and Practices.

Most Christians take their faith for granted.
How many Muslims do the same?

The following questions are asked in order to find out.

1. How does one describe Allah; his qualities, his attributes?
2. For what reason did Allah create?
3. What stimulated Allah to act since by Muslim belief their was nothing in the universe to motivate him?
4. What were the dynamics that prompted Allah to create other intelligent life?
5. Why do Muslims honor Mary, the mother of Jesus, more than they do Mohammed’s first wife, Khadijah, or his favored daughter, Fatima?
6. Both sincere Muslims and true Christians give greater respect to Mary, the mother of Jesus, than to any other woman. Is this love for Mary to be what will one day join faith filled Muslims and real Catholics into a unified people of faith?
7. Do Muslims believe in “Natural Law” principles held to be derived from nature and binding upon human society ]?
8. Is not natural law derived from the will of Allah its creator? If so, why do so many Muslims act against natural law? It is uncontested that false Christians disdain natural law. ]

 

[Montalban]

This means you believe that the Koran considers some Christians Muslim??? The Christian that embraces the alleged true path in your scripture becomes a Muslim and cannot be called a Christian anymore! Why does your book call those converts “Christian” even after their conversion then?

It’s an odd stance that they take, indeed!

They say “Anyone rightly following Al-lah is a Moslem”. Because being a Moslem is to submit to their god. So a “Christian” could be considered a “Moslem” if they were acting as Moslems. This way of thinking is how they believe they are able to tolerate Christians and Jews.

Thus they say…
Surah Al-Baqarah
Ayah [62]
Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Moslem apologists point to this verse as a ‘proof’ that they’re commanded to live with us in peace.

But of course, once a Christian did follow Islam they’d cease being Christian because being Christian is ackowledging the truth of Christ as God.

I don’t know how they properly reconcile this. But they seem to just accept all manner of confused beliefs.

They believe Moses was a Moslem because according to them the way he lived was as a Moslem. The way the Jews talk about Moses would therefore be false, a message corrupted by the Jews.

Surah Al-Baqarah
Ayah [89]
And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Qur’an) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him ) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers.

Thus at the heart of the matter is that the ‘good news’ was given to Jews and Christians but it was not accepted.

Surah Al-'Imran
Ayah [71]
O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): “Why do you mix truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know?”

They store a great deal of hatred for the Jews whom they believe were given many prophets, but ignored, or corrupted all their messages. And that we’re such bad people, we’re trying to turn them away too!

Surah Al-Baqarah
Ayah [109]
Many of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish that if they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even, after the truth (that Muhammad Peace be upon him is Allah’s Messenger) has become manifest unto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allah brings His Command. Verily, Allah is Able to do all things.

Surah Al-'Imran
Ayah [69]
A party of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish to lead you astray. But they shall not lead astray anyone except themselves, and they perceive not.

 

[hamba2han]

It doesn’t even tell you how to do salat does it?

Not directly but it does indeed do this indirectly because the Qur’an commands Muslims to obey and follow Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and the Sunnah certainly explains the details of the salat and all other aspects of worship.

I choose Jesus over Muhammed.

The much more important question here is whether ot not Jesus (pbuh) himself would choose you over Muslims.

Matthew 7
**21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven. Only those who do what my Father in heaven wants will enter.
22 “Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord! Lord! Didn’t we prophesy in your name? Didn’t we drive out demons in your name? Didn’t we do many miracles in your name?’
23 Then I will tell them clearly, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who do evil!’
**
This warning by Jesus is directed at those who call him “Lord” and do things in his name.

Muslims do not do this.

 

[Montalban]

Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven. Only those who do what my Father in heaven wants will enter.
22 “Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord! Lord! Didn’t we prophesy in your name? Didn’t we drive out demons in your name? Didn’t we do many miracles in your name?’
23 Then I will tell them clearly, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who do evil!’

This warning by Jesus is directed at those who call him “Lord” and do things in his name.

Muslims do not do this.

That’s not what it means at all

Jesus is saying that there’s a right way of worshipping him. Early Christianity was also called “the way”. Thus you can’t go around stealing from people and say “I’m doing this in the name of Jesus” because it’s not the way of Jesus

The mere fact you cry “Lord! Lord!” will not get you saved.

This warning by Jesus is directed at those who call him “Lord” and do false things in his name

 

[melbourne_guy]

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven.
This warning by Jesus is directed at those who call him “Lord” and do things in his name.

Muslims do not do this.

Notice how it says “Not everyone”
Simple logic will imply that this means that there is a percentage of people who call him Lord who WILL make it into heaven. Did i really have to point this out?