Do Muslims Worship the Same God as Catholics?

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First off I would like to say our Lord Jesus Christ also said “If a man will not hear the Church, let him be as the heathen.” Matt. XVIIL, 17.

On another note:
What is interesting about the Qur’an is that it has so many contradictions, for instance some of them are:

**First Contradiction **
God’s Words Don’t Change and God’s Words Do Change
(1)
[Yunus 10:64] Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the SupremeTriumph.
Contradicts
[an-Nahl 16:101] And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth- they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.
(2)
[al-Kahf 18:27] And recite that which hath been revealed unto thee of the Scripture of thy Lord. There is none who can change His words, and thou wilt find no refuge beside Him.
Contradicts
[al-Baqarah 2:106] Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things ?
(3)
[al-Hijr 15:9] Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its Guardian.
Contradicts
[ar-Ra`d 13:39] Allah effaceth what He will, and establisheth (what He will), and with Him is the source of ordinance.
Second ContradictionGod’s Day is 1000 Years and God’s Day is 50,000 Years

[as-Sajdah 32:5] He directeth the ordinance from the heaven unto the earth; then it ascendeth unto Him in a Day, whereof the measure is a thousand years of that ye reckon.
Contradicts
[al-Ma`arij 70:4] (Whereby) the angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years.
Third ContradictionThere is no Intercessor and There is an Intercessor

[az-Zumar 39:44] Say: Unto Allah belongeth all intercession. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. And afterward unto Him ye will be brought back.

[as-Sajdah 32:4] Allah it is Who created the heavens and the earth, and that which is between them, in six Days. Then He mounted the Throne. Ye have not, beside Him, a protecting friend or mediator {intercessor}. Will ye not then remember ?
Contradicts
[Yunus 10:3] Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then He established Himself upon the Throne, directing all things. There is no intercessor (with Him) save after His permission. That is Allah, your Lord, so worship Him. Oh, will ye not remind?

These are just three but the list goes on. There is even one that questions if our Lord Jesus is in hell. Putting it very simply what is says is; Jesus is raised to Allah, [Sura 4:158], near stationed with him [Sura 3:45], worshiped by millions of Christians, yet Sura Sura 21:98 says, that all that are worshiped by men besides Allah will burn in Hell together with those who worship them.
 
WestonGrant said:
The Catechism looks like it says so. But it’s kind of hard to swallow.

What do you think?
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NO, otherwise what would justify the rise of Islam as an alternate faith? Did Christ waste His time dying on the cross and resurrecting simply to be replaced by another belief system? I dont think so.
 
hamba2han said:
Not directly but it does indeed do this indirectly because the Qur’an commands Muslims to obey and follow Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and the Sunnah certainly explains the details of the salat and all other aspects of worship.

The much more important question here is whether ot not Jesus (pbuh) himself would choose you over Muslims.

Matthew 7
**21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven. Only those who do what my Father in heaven wants will enter.
22 “Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord! Lord! Didn’t we prophesy in your name? Didn’t we drive out demons in your name? Didn’t we do many miracles in your name?’
23 Then I will tell them clearly, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who do evil!’
**
This warning by Jesus is directed at those who call him “Lord” and do things in his name.

Muslims do not do this.
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So you admit the quran is incomplete and that salat had no direct foundation in the quran. Thank you. Your interpretation is incorrect and incredibly strained. In fact Jesus said, “he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.” Muslims do reject him. After the resurrection Thomas said to Jesus “my Lord and my God.” Jesus did not correct him, but lauded his confession. Jesus is Lord.
 
The Qur’an is indeed complete and part of this completeness is it’s command to believers to follow and obey the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Think of the Qur’an as the map to guide us in the journey of life and think of the Sunnah as the legend by which to correctly read this map.

One cannot get a more complete guidance than this from the Almighty in order for us to safely arrive at our intended destination in the Hereafter.
 
StMarkEofE said:
NO, otherwise what would justify the rise of Islam as an alternate faith? Did Christ waste His time dying on the cross and resurrecting simply to be replaced by another belief system? I dont think so.
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What you are not understanding StMarkEofE is that the Catechecism Says “They worship the same god” but it also says this… Islam is not the correct interpretation of how we are to worship God(the same God as our God) and the reason is that Mohammad is a false prophet misleading them and taking them off the correct path of following Jesus Christ.

It says therefore we are to have compassion for them as fellow searches for the truth about the same God, the God who led the Hebrews out of Egypt and gave Moses the ten commandments. In the like manner we are also to have compassion for the Jewish people who likewise try to worship God in the correct manner from what they have been taught.

They do worship the same God, or at least they are trying to, Sadly they have been mislead off the right path and do not know exactly how to Worship God in the correct manner. This what the Catechism says, and it is correct.
 
since Allah is really the Babylonian moon god recycled, then emphatically NO!
Islam has very little in common with Christianity. They blaspheme Jesus by ranking Mohammed above him.
You only have to look at the list crimes committed by Mohammed (and admitted by Mohammedans) to know the gulf that lies between Mohammedans and Christians.
FFI is a good site to look at - faithfreedom.org/
 
Islam was founded on military triumphs, on the sword.

Christianity was founded on the death and resurection of Jesus Christ.

Muslims claim that Jesus was a prophet, yet they reject the words of Jesus, “I am the way, the truth and the light, no one come’s to the Father, except through me.” In fact, they reject the fact that God has a son.

Consider the words of St. Paul;

I am amazed that you are so quickly forsaking the one who called you by (the) grace (of Christ) for a different gospel
(not that there is another). But there are some who are disturbing you and wish to pervert the gospel of Christ.
**But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed! **
As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received, let that one be accursed!

Galations 1:7-9

Jim
 
jack_hawkins said:
since Allah is really the Babylonian moon god recycled, then emphatically NO!
Islam has very little in common with Christianity. They blaspheme Jesus by ranking Mohammed above him.
You only have to look at the list crimes committed by Mohammed (and admitted by Mohammedans) to know the gulf that lies between Mohammedans and Christians.
FFI is a good site to look at - faithfreedom.org/
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hamba2han said:
The Qur’an is indeed complete and part of this completeness is it’s command to believers to follow and obey the Prophet Muhammad
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The Koran leads people away from God.

Why’s the Koran full of Muhammed’s own sayings?
 
hamba2han said:
The Qur’an is indeed complete and part of this completeness is it’s command to believers to follow and obey the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
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That’s not surprising, is it, considering that the Quran comes through Muhammad’s lips?:rolleyes:
Think of the Qur’an as the map to guide us in the journey of life and think of the Sunnah as the legend by which to correctly read this map.

One cannot get a more complete guidance than this from the Almighty in order for us to safely arrive at our intended destination in the Hereafter.
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Really, when it states that the earth is flat, and the stars were created as missiles to throw at the jinns? 😃

Also “circular reasoning”:

The Quran is the word of God - Muhammad said so.

Muhammad is a prophet - The Quran says so.:whacky:
 
What does the Koran say about our faith?

Al-Baqarah
Ayah [113]
The Jews said that the Christians follow nothing (i.e. are not on the right religion); and the Christians said that the Jews follow nothing (i.e. are not on the right religion); though they both recite the Scripture. Like unto their word, said (the pagans) who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection about that wherein they have been differing.

4:61 Says that Jews and Christians believe in idols
5:59 Jews (and Christians) are evil-doers

etc
 
hamba, which quran? One of the ones destroyed by Uthman or one of the current ones? And why should I trust it at all? It is chock full of errors and the God it portrays doesn’t resemble the God of the Jews and Christians.
 
Try Calling God “Father” and calling our ourselves “Gods Children” in front of a Muslim. You will get a tongue lashing something to the order of…“You are blaspheming. God is Master and has no need for children. We are Allah’s slaves”.

Nope…Sorry. I don’t worship the same god as Muslims. God is my Father. The Father loves me as his child.
 
jburgherr said:
Try Calling God “Father” and calling our ourselves “Gods Children” in front of a Muslim. You will get a tongue lashing something to the order of…“You are blaspheming. God is Master and has no need for children. We are Allah’s slaves”.

Nope…Sorry. I don’t worship the same god as Muslims. God is my Father. The Father loves me as his child.
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That’s Excellent I agree with you all the way!
 
We can agree that Muslims believe in One God. We can agree that the God they profess to worship is the God of Abraham.

They do not believe in the Trinity and believe that those who do worship Three Divine Persons in One God will burn in hell for eternity.

They reject the Fatherhood of God, seeing God/Allah as a master.

They reject the Teachings of Jesus, God made man. In this they can’t see the illogic that if Jesus was not God (as He claimed), he was either a con-man or a lunatic.

They reject the Holy Spirit, Who is Love and Wisdom.

Almighty God, the Creator of the Universe, the God Catholics worship did not instruct Mohammed. If, therefore, he didn’t invent it all himself, it must have come from Satan.

Therefore, IMO, The ‘god’ the Muslims follow is Satan who has tricked then into believing he is the ‘One’ God.
 
Eileen_T said:
We can agree that Muslims believe in One God. We can agree that the God they profess to worship is the God of Abraham.

They do not believe in the Trinity and believe that those who do worship Three Divine Persons in One God will burn in hell for eternity.

They reject the Fatherhood of God, seeing God/Allah as a master.

They reject the Teachings of Jesus, God made man. In this they can’t see the illogic that if Jesus was not God (as He claimed), he was either a con-man or a lunatic.

They reject the Holy Spirit, Who is Love and Wisdom.

Almighty God, the Creator of the Universe, the God Catholics worship did not instruct Mohammed. If, therefore, he didn’t invent it all himself, it must have come from Satan.

Therefore, IMO, The ‘god’ the Muslims follow is Satan who has tricked then into believing he is the ‘One’ God.
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Amen to that. To me, any attempt to come closer to Islam is totally misguided, our God is a God of Love unlike Allah, who even admits to being the chief among deceivers - how blatant does the Devil have to be before he is recognized?
 
Eileen_T said:
We can agree that Muslims believe in One God. We can agree that the God they profess to worship is the God of Abraham.

They do not believe in the Trinity and believe that those who do worship Three Divine Persons in One God will burn in hell for eternity.

They reject the Fatherhood of God, seeing God/Allah as a master.

They reject the Teachings of Jesus, God made man. In this they can’t see the illogic that if Jesus was not God (as He claimed), he was either a con-man or a lunatic.

They reject the Holy Spirit, Who is Love and Wisdom.

Almighty God, the Creator of the Universe, the God Catholics worship did not instruct Mohammed. If, therefore, he didn’t invent it all himself, it must have come from Satan.

Therefore, IMO, The ‘god’ the Muslims follow is Satan who has tricked then into believing he is the ‘One’ God.
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i agree
and unfortunately, IMO, satan has also tricked many Catholics into believing that Muslims worship the same God. when the practices, beliefs and fruits have clearly proven otherwise.
 
jam070406 said:
i agree
and unfortunately, IMO, satan has also tricked many Catholics into believing that Muslims worship the same God. when the practices, beliefs and fruits have clearly proven otherwise.
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Not true. and if it were, The Pope is one of those catholics.

Yes the practices, beliefs and fruits are diffrent, but that doesn’t change the fact they are TRYING to worship the God of Abraham.

Saying they don’t recognise the same god, takes away from the fact that mohammad was delibratly screwing with how things should be done. He was the real problem and he led them astray like a false Prophet… but they try to worship the same god as us.
 
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