Do Muslims Worship the True God?

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Servant19 said:
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Hi Isaac, I found this thread very interesting:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=399164

Let me know your thoughts 🙂

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Thanks for sharing. That is very interesting indeed.

Two things I really liked:

The idea that we can best describe God by saying what He is NOT, rather then trying to say what he IS…
And secondly, the summary definition of “I AM” for God.

Baltimore Catechism and CCC defenitions were good too, but notice, they don’t paint a picture of what God looks like, they say what He is not(physical, limited, sinful), and how he acts(merciful, lovingly), and what he has done(Created the world, Redeemed us).

Thanks for sharing! đź‘Ť
 
ialsop said:
The idea that we can best describe God by saying what He is NOT, rather then trying to say what he IS…
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Beautiful, you answered my prayers, for I was praying that you would see that.

Via negativae is a very important concept to understand the oneness of the Christian and Islamic God.

So do you see a difference between how we often “define” God as what He is, and the via negativa approach about what He is not?

Why do you think in Scripture, the via negativae approach is not used for God?

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JimmyDFG said:
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No dear friend, Muhammad is as alive as Jesus. He descended from heaven and ascended to heaven.”

Also…

“The same way that it happened to Jesus Jimmy…”

"The first part of the reformulated teaching—“all salvation comes from Christ the Head”—is quite easy for all Christians, even non-Catholics, to understand and embrace. It echoes Jesus’ own words recorded by John: “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me” (Jn 14:6). So, Christians unanimously agree on this first part. But is this all that needs to be said about how one may be saved? The Catholic Church has historically recognized the importance of explaining further the means through which salvation is offered through Christ.

When speaking of salvation, Jesus offered more details than just his words quoted above. For example, consider these three verses:
He who believes and is baptized will be saved. (Mk 16:16)
nless you repent you will all likewise perish. (Lk 13:3)
[H]e who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. (Jn 6:54)

Notice that in these three verses Jesus associated salvation with baptism, confession, and the Eucharist, respectively. Catholics recognize that these sacraments are administered through the Church. In fact, in the case of the latter two, a validly ordained priest is necessary for their administration, so the sacrament of ordination must also be associated with salvation. A primary role of the Catholic Church in conjunction with salvation is becoming quite clear."

Is this still “the same way that it happened to Jesus”?? I really don’t think so Servant

Thankyou dear Jimmy,

From the Baha’i perspective which sees the highest spirit in all things, where the physical act is superceded by the spirit (similar to how the physical act of the old covenant in circumcision was superceded by the spirit found in the new covenant) I see no difference.

What you do with the sacraments and the relationship you therefore have with the Lord is no different to how the authentic Word of God is enabling the baptism and the confession and the partaking of the Word seen in the Quran, which is in reality the “body” of Muhammad.

In Him they live and have eternal life through the ingesting of His Word of God and its memorisation into the inner self of man. This is why the Quran is memorised in its original Arabic. It is the Islamic Eucharist (and the Baha’i one too btw)

Indeed Prophet Muhammad is alive and well 🙂

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worldcitizen said:
Hi hasantas

Do you know of any traditions where Muhammad says He.is Jesus and where He says He is all the Prophets. They may be in untranslated hadiths.
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There is no such hadith. Muhammad said to be successor of all prophets(their religions).
 
youtube.com/watch?v=LQCYzZckFCE

Watch this video. Below are 3 beliefs that go totally against what the bible teaches.
  • They Believe you can confess your sins to a priest who can forgive you
  • The Roman catholic church idolizes Mary, and many of the other saints
  • They Believe in purgatory, despite it being mentioned NO WHERE in the bible.
Jesus Christ is the only one who can forgive you of your sins, no man has the power to for-give you

It says in the bible over and over again you shall have no idols before the lord your god. Did Mary die on the cross for our sins? did any saint die on the cross for our sins?

Jesus says in his own word numerous times that Hell is eternal, and that heaven is eternal also.

Please read the description of the video no how to be saved. Don’t take my word for it read what the KJV Bible actually teaches.
 
i think saying God is our Father is far more correct and positive than any thing we might say about what God is not.
 
Servant19 said:
What you do with the sacraments and the relationship you therefore have with the Lord is no different to how the authentic Word of God is enabling the baptism and the confession and the partaking of the Word seen in the Quran, which is in reality the “body” of Muhammad.

In Him they live and have eternal life through the ingesting of His Word of God and its memorisation into the inner self of man. This is why the Quran is memorised in its original Arabic. It is the Islamic Eucharist (and the Baha’i one too btw)
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The Catholic Church or Christianity do not recognize muhammad as the Son of God. When Catholics receive the Eucharist the priest will say " The Body of Christ" and the receiver says “Amen”

The statement you gave is a belief? of an outside religion giving its false interpretation of what happen.
 
Servant19 said:
Beautiful, you answered my prayers, for I was praying that you would see that.

Via negativae is a very important concept to understand the oneness of the Christian and Islamic God.

So do you see a difference between how we often “define” God as what He is, and the via negativa approach about what He is not?

Why do you think in Scripture, the via negativae approach is not used for God?

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Agreed. We can only describe God by negatives.

HOWEVER, as in the case of Scriptures, GOD Himself can reveal positive traits to us, like His Fatherhood.

What do you think of that?
 
Very good discussion here:

amnation.com/vfr/archives/007512.html

Short answer: Yes, but they hold a very incomplete and erroneous view of who God is and our relationship to Him. We call that heretical.

I strongly recommend looking through the catechism of the council of Trent on this topic.
 
hasantas said:
There is no such hadith. Muhammad said to be successor of all prophets(their religions).
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The Hadith is I believe found in Shiah records:

“Anas ibn Malik said, one day the Messenger of God, peace be upon him, offered his morning prayer and ascended the pulpit. His face was resplendent as the full moon. We asked the Messenger of God to interpret the verse of the Qur’an: “… they are with those unto whom Allah hath shown favor of the Prophets and the saints and the martyrs and the righteous.” [4:69] He said, (ama-an-nabiyoona fa-ana …) By the term “Prophets” I am meant, by the term “saints” Ali ibn Abi Talib is meant, by “martyrs” my uncle Hamzah is meant and the “righteous” are my daughter Fatimah and her two sons Hasan and Husayn.”

[Bihar’ul-Anwar vol. 7 by Majlesi, cited from Riyaz ul Janan by Fazl’u’llah ibn Mahmood al-Faresi]
 
tomarin said:
It’s a matter of faith but then so is every other religious belief including your own.
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The Triune nature is issue of Cathechism. But one God belief is all People of Scripture agree on including faith of Jesus. While the very clear fact is present why so insist on following some conjectrures? And to say “Do Muslims worship the true God?” is to be nonsense. As I stated before the question should be "Do Christians Worship the True God?
 
arthra said:
The Hadith is I believe found in Shiah records:

“Anas ibn Malik said, one day the Messenger of God, peace be upon him, offered his morning prayer and ascended the pulpit. His face was resplendent as the full moon. We asked the Messenger of God to interpret the verse of the Qur’an: “… they are with those unto whom Allah hath shown favor of the Prophets and the saints and the martyrs and the righteous.” [4:69] He said, (ama-an-nabiyoona fa-ana …) By the term “Prophets” I am meant, by the term “saints” Ali ibn Abi Talib is meant, by “martyrs” my uncle Hamzah is meant and the “righteous” are my daughter Fatimah and her two sons Hasan and Husayn.”

[Bihar’ul-Anwar vol. 7 by Majlesi, cited from Riyaz ul Janan by Fazl’u’llah ibn Mahmood al-Faresi]
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What interest?:confused:
 
hasantas said:
The Triune nature is issue of Cathechism. But one God belief is all People of Scripture agree on including faith of Jesus. While the very clear fact is present why so insist on following some conjectrures? And to say “Do Muslims worship the true God?” is to be nonsense. As I stated before the question should be "Do Christians Worship the True God?
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Since Jesus said Salvation is from the Jews Then Christians believe in the True God. If any Faith reject this but still call themselves Abrahamic then they have a inferior understanding about the True God.

MJ
 
hasantas said:
The Triune nature is issue of Cathechism. But one God belief is all People of Scripture agree on including faith of Jesus. While the very clear fact is present why so insist on following some conjectrures? And to say “Do Muslims worship the true God?” is to be nonsense. As I stated before the question should be "Do Christians Worship the True God?
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To Christians it’s self-evident that we do, so it’s not a question that we would ask ourselves. Perhaps on a Muslim message board that would be an appropriate question to ask.
 
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