Do Muslims Worship the True God?

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Servant19 said:
We worship the one God yes.
However since the essence of God is incomprehensible to humans, we direct our worship to God through Baha’u’llah/Jesus/Muhammad etc. Our focus is not on the human nature of these Prophets, our focus is on their Divine nature which is one and the same nature.

Not sure what a Muslim would say.

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That is very interesting. And from looking at Islam or Baha’i I can see how that would work, but, I see one difference with Jesus. Followers of Jesus actually think that Jesus himself is God, not just a prophet. Does that change anything, do you think?

-Isaac
 
Servant19 said:
No dear friend, Muhammad is as alive as Jesus. He descended from heaven and ascended to heaven.

What you are referring to is the flesh of Muhammad which does not inherit the Kingdom.

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True, all spirits lives on. But even Jesus’ flesh is not in a grave! :):)🙂
 
TonyBS said:
Yes discussed.

My idea would be that Any “Fact” we think we may have about God would not be a fact, but an Opinion based on some acquired knowledge.

This can be easily tested as any “Fact” we think we know about God can always be expanded upon, but of course that is so if we do not Limit God.

Regards Tony
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If we take a proposition about God, say, “God has a son and it is Jesus Christ”, couldn’t we somehow KNOW whether it is true or false?

Also, it is no small matter. If it is true, those who reject it reject the identity of God’s Son, but if it is false, those who believe it are rather inept. As St. Paul said, everything relies on the Resurrection.
 
ialsop said:
If we take a proposition about God, say, “God has a son and it is Jesus Christ”, couldn’t we somehow KNOW whether it is true or false?

Also, it is no small matter. If it is true, those who reject it reject the identity of God’s Son, but if it is false, those who believe it are rather inept. As St. Paul said, everything relies on the Resurrection.
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Yes we can know what “we” have accepted as Fact.

There could be a myriad of Levels of Knowledge as to What the “Station” of “Son” means

Thus I understand that Jesus Christ the Savior is the Son of God, this is a Fact to me contained within my current understanding.

If more information comes to my knowledge and I change my understanding. then a certain Concept I once held as Fact also changes.

This happens in life all the time, science especially!

There is a great religious meditation about this “The good Deeds of the Righteous are the sins of the Near Ones” - I have always considered this to be very true.

To me it says the closer we move to God the more we realize that in the past what we thought were good deeds were not as we thought, as they contained much self.

This is a journey of discovery we all must take.

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
To me Muhammad is Christ and the same statement applies 😊

Regards Tony
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You’ve still failed to understand we are not a Christ only people nor do you know who Christ is. It’s there black and white. A pearl hidden from your sight somehow. I don’t know how it is not clear to you.

Next I’m sure you’ll say something about pearls. 😉

MJ
 
To deny Jesus as God is to deny the Trinity. So they deny the fact God is Three Persons.
Jesus and the Trinity, are not in the Muslim teaching of God. They don’t just deny His laws or doctrine. They deny God’s essence. How then can it be the same God?
How are Muslims included in the plan of salvation if they don’t have faith in Jesus Christ as the Messiah?

As Pope St. John Paul II said…

Whoever knows the Old and New Testaments, and then reads the Koran, clearly sees the process by which it completely reduces Divine Revelation. It is impossible not to note the movement away from what God said about Himself, first in the Old Testament through the Prophets, and then finally in the New Testament through His Son. In Islam all the richness of God’s self-revelation, which constitutes the heritage of the Old and New Testaments, has definitely been set aside. Some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the God of the Koran, but He is ultimately a God outside of the World, a God who is only Majesty, never Emmanuel, God-with-us. Islam is not a religion of redemption. There is no room for the Cross and the Resurrection
 
MartinJordan said:
You’ve still failed to understand we are not a Christ only people nor know who Christ is. It’s there black and white. A pearl hidden from your sight. I don’t know how it is not clear to you.MJ
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Martin - Back Track - I Said
TonyBS said:
I declare with all my heart and all my soul and all my Love for Muhammad and the Faith of Islam that they do indeed Worship the One True God.

God bless them all and all of Humanity. Regards Tony
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MartinJordan said:
Tony, how can you say this when all honour and Glory to God is due to Him alone? Very strange.
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My Reply
TonyBS said:
To me Muhammad is Christ and the same statement applies 😊 Regards Tony
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Thus I can Say

I declare with all my heart and all my soul and all my Love for Jesus the Christ and the Faith of Christianity that they do indeed Worship the One True God.

Your Pearl is my Pearl

God Bless and regards Tony
 
JimmyDFG said:
This makes no sense Servant
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I can assure you it makes perfect sense, I understand fully as to what Servant is saying.

That is “No dear friend, Muhammad is as alive as Jesus. He descended from heaven and ascended to heaven”.

Regards Tony
 
ialsop said:
In that case, I am sorry for being cynical. 🙂

I admit, that is a personal issue of mine.

-Isaac
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Thankyou Isaac. My name is Kam, nice to meet you 🙂

I appreciate your kind understanding. Please don’t apologise. This is the nature of forums, we can’t see each other face to face to appreciate the facial expressions behind the words.

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TonyBS said:
Yes we can know what “we” have accepted as Fact.

There could be a myriad of Levels of Knowledge as to What the “Station” of “Son” means

Thus I understand that Jesus Christ the Savior is the Son of God, this is a Fact to me contained within my current understanding.

If more information comes to my knowledge and I change my understanding. then a certain Concept I once held as Fact also changes.

This happens in life all the time, science especially!

There is a great religious meditation about this “The good Deeds of the Righteous are the sins of the Near Ones” - I have always considered this to be very true.

To me it says the closer we move to God the more we realize that in the past what we thought were good deeds were not as we thought, as they contained much self.

This is a journey of discovery we all must take.

Regards Tony
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I think that you are focusing far too much on what you know, what you accept, what you think. That doesn’t matter squat. What matters is what IS, and what YOU know can NEVER change what IS.
 
ialsop said:
I think that you are focusing far too much on what you know, what you accept, what you think. That doesn’t matter squat. What matters is what IS, and what YOU know can NEVER change what IS.
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Yes agree 100% 😉

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
Martin - Back Track - I Said

You Said;

My Reply

Thus I can Say

I declare with all my heart and all my soul and all my Love for Jesus the Christ and the Faith of Christianity that they do indeed Worship the One True God.

Your Pearl is my Pearl

God Bless and regards Tony
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Man cannot serve two masters.
 
TonyBS said:
I can assure you it makes perfect sense, I understand fully as to what Servant is saying.

That is “No dear friend, Muhammad is as alive as Jesus. He descended from heaven and ascended to heaven”.

Regards Tony
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Muhammad did not rise from the dead.

Even if he is the most holy saint ever to walk the Earth, he simply cannot even be compared to Jesus Christ.
 
Servant19 said:
Thankyou Isaac. My name is Kam, nice to meet you 🙂

I appreciate your kind understanding. Please don’t apologise. This is the nature of forums, we can’t see each other face to face to appreciate the facial expressions behind the words.

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Hello Kam. Nice to meet you. 😃

So true. Electronic communication is horribly inefficient. ESPECIALLY on important matters such as religious topics. Inter religious dialogue has to be a careful thing, and on the internet everything becomes complicated.

HOWEVER, I do enjoy this unique opportunity. Look at the interesting things we can learn from each other that we would never have encountered otherwise! 🙂
 
ialsop said:
That is very interesting. And from looking at Islam or Baha’i I can see how that would work, but, I see one difference with Jesus. Followers of Jesus actually think that Jesus himself is God, not just a prophet. Does that change anything, do you think?

-Isaac
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Depends on your definition of God, Isaac. What is your definition?

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ialsop said:
Hello Kam. Nice to meet you. 😃

So true. Electronic communication is horribly inefficient. ESPECIALLY on important matters such as religious topics. Inter religious dialogue has to be a careful thing, and on the internet everything becomes complicated.

HOWEVER, I do enjoy this unique opportunity. Look at the interesting things we can learn from each other that we would never have encountered otherwise! 🙂
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Well I’m grateful to good that the road has become a friendly one between us 🙂

God bless you Issac.

Indeed I hope we can learn from each other 🙂

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