Do Muslims Worship the True God?

[JimmyDFG]

All the contradictions are in people’s minds not in the Divine Word.

There is no contradiction between the Bible or the Quran whatsoever. It’s the interpretations placed upon the Word by men which create the conflict not God.

The trinity is nowhere mentioned in the Bible or the Quran. It is a doctrine created by the early church. The early church also created the doctrine that it was a divine institution which also is nowhere mentioned in the Word.

That the Words of God and the word of man contradict should come as no surprise.

Leaving out the Church and Islam’s Mullas/scholars the Bible and Quran are in complete agreeance which proves that it is only men that create the contradictions and paradoxes.

The reason why Baha’is have been able to unite all religions is they reject the man made interpretations of the Gospels and the Quran and only accept the interpretations of a Manifestation of God.

Once we go outside interpretations of the Manifestations of God we get errors and inconsistencies which are of men. Thus the disagreements. Thus the division in religion. Thus the sects.

worldcitizen, The quran has numerous contradictions that is plain to see. Not only that but the Bible and the quran contradiction each other… and the baha’i contradicts the two.
One example: Christianity believe Jesus as the Son of God
Islam says Jesus is not.
Baha’i says what? a manifestation of god? A manifestation of god or not…is he the Son of God?

Another is hell and satan
Christianity and islam believes. Bahaism does not ( in the terms of Christian and muslim views )

 

[JimmyDFG]

This post simply proves without doubt that there has been little to no reading of Baha’i posts in the last 3-4 months or so.

Makes us wonder why we would bother continuously answering questions only for us to be accused of deflecting, changing goalposts, not answering or being “vague”

Please, continue in your own certainty that you have ownership of Truth.
Please don’t let us get in your way dear friend

For anyone else reading this, if you have it in your own heart and mind that you are right and every non-Christian on earth is wrong, please don’t ask questions to Bahais or Muslims.

God wants sincerity, not fundamentalists.

Thankyou for reading

Servant, I am defending my faith. I fallow what the Holy Bible says and what the Catholic Church says.

Matthew 24:24
for false Christs and false prophets will arise and provide great signs and portents, enough to deceive even the elect, if that were possible.

Baha’u’llah claims to be the second coming of Christ

The baha’is claim that baha’u’llah is the fulfillment of the biblical prophecies of the return of Christ. Taken literally, of course, the biblical prophecies of Christ’s return do not fit baha’u’llah. The Bible speaks of Jesus Himself returning in the skies before the entire world in a cataclysmic fashion to judge the living and the dead (e.g., Matt. 24). By contrast, baha’is recognized as the “Christ” another person (baha’u’llah) who came into the world in relative obscurity through natural means.

The baha’i and baha’u’llah changes and adds to the story of revelation. As stated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church…

66 “The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.

 

[Servant19]

worldcitizen, The quran has numerous contradictions that is plain to see. Not only that but the Bible and the quran contradiction each other… and the baha’i contradicts the two.
One example: Christianity believe Jesus as the Son of God
Islam says Jesus is not.
Baha’i says what? a manifestation of god? A manifestation of god or not…is he the Son of God?

Another is hell and satan
Christianity and islam believes. Bahaism does not ( in the terms of Christian and muslim views )

Jimmy, I specifically remember quoting a passage from Catholic teachings about heaven and hell being spiritual states which I stayed the Baha’i teachings 100% agree with.

Would you like me to find the Catholic passage again for you brother?

Son of God is a title no?

.

 

[Ontheway]

Salvation is from God through prophets. There should be many prophets from Jews but there were used to be many prophets whom were not from Jews. For instance were Noah, Abraham, Isaac Jews?

Prophet Muhammad was descendants of Abraham and that is all. And if Muhammad was not from generation of Abraham then there would be no change in situation of Muhammad. It is not something which interest in Abraham but it is will of God. God may choose any one as a prophet.

Islam verify all faiths from prophets so it is valid. But Islam does not approve faith from people who did not get revelation directly from God. And Islam name such thoughts as conjecture which is product of imagination.

Salvation comes from God.
Salvation does not come through prophets! Prophets have no power to offer salvation. They are just men.
Islam verifies things only for you, because you are a follower.
It seems to me that your interpretations have little to do with what the Koran teaches.

 

[JimmyDFG]

Why you skip 10:29. The answer is in it.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. John 10

Muslim do not deny Jesus.

I’m glad you brought this up. I totally agree with you… What mere man can pluck them out of the father’s hand? Keeping in mind Jesus is also God

CCC
464 The unique and altogether singular event of the Incarnation of the Son of God does not mean that Jesus Christ is part God and part man, nor does it imply that he is the result of a confused mixture of the divine and the human. He became truly man while remaining truly God. Jesus Christ is true God and true man.

Similarly, the Father can be said to be greater than the Son pertaining to their relation within the inner life of God, but not with respect to their shared nature as being fully and equally God. The Father alone is the first principle of life in the Godhead; thus, the Catechism of the Catholic Church can say, in paragraph 246: “Everything that belongs to the Father, except being Father, the Son has also eternally from the Father, from whom he is eternally born . . .” (emphasis added). In this sense, the Father can be said to be greater than the Son relationally, while they are absolutely equal with regard to their essence as God.

Another—and perhaps simpler—way one can legitimately interpret this text is to point out that John 14:28 seems to be emphasizing the humanity of Christ. Thus, because Jesus is fully man, it would be appropriate to say the Father would be greater than the Son. The entire verse reads: “You heard me say to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”

Jesus was emphasizing here and in previous verses his impending death, resurrection, and departure from the apostles. This would apply to his humanity most particularly. Thus, the same Jesus who can say, “I and the Father are one” in John 10:30—as God—can say, “The Father is greater than I” in John 14:28—as man.

Jesus refers to himself with the divine name—I am —in several places. This “I am” formula is a reference back to the Divine Name revealed to Moses in Ex. 3:14. Not only does Jesus refer to himself as “I am” four times in John’s Gospel (see John 8:24; 58; 13:19 and 18:5-6), but when he does so in John 8:58, the Jews to whom he was speaking understood his meaning because they immediately wanted to stone him for blasphemy!

Jesus places his word on the same level as the word of God—the Old Testament. “You have heard it said . . . but I say to you . . .” (see Matt. 5:21-28). This is in sharp contrast to the prophets of old who always made clear the word they were speaking was not their own: "The word of the Lord came unto me, saying . . . " (cf. Jer. 1:11; Ezek. 1:3, etc.). Only God possesses this kind of authority.

Jesus is referred to as “equal” with God by both John and Paul. In John 5:18, the author comments on why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus: “Because he called God his Father, making himself equal with God.” Paul refers to Jesus when he was “in the form (Gk. morphe; in Greek usage this word means the set of characteristics that makes a thing what it is) of God” thinking “his equality with God” not something to be gasped onto, but emptying himself and becoming man (cf. Phil. 2:6-10). Paul assumes his readers already knew Jesus to be equal with God, the Father.

Jesus is referred to in the New Testament with the title Lord as it is uniquely applied to Yahweh in the Old Testament. Jesus calls himself “the Lord of the Sabbath” in Mark 2:28. The Sabbath is referred to as the “Sabbath of Yahweh” in the Old Testament (cf. Ex. 20:10; see also Is. 8:13, referred to in 1 Peter 3:15; and Joel 2:31-32, quoted both in Acts 2:20-21 and in Rom. 10:13).

 

[MartinJordan]

Hagar: In the Bible, the Egyptian servant of Abraham’s wife, Sarah. With Abraham she had a son, Ishmael.

Salvation is from Jews. Yes that is true. Jesus discussed with Samaritan woman. Salvation is from God through prophets and Jesus implied prophets from Jews and also for Himself.

19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. John 4

Yes Ismael so?

What happened to him?

Meanwhile ,

19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”

21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”

So Hasantas, Jesus did explain everything. He is the Messiah. Listen to him.

MJ

 

[JimmyDFG]

Jimmy, I specifically remember quoting a passage from Catholic teachings about heaven and hell being spiritual states which I stayed the Baha’i teachings 100% agree with.

Would you like me to find the Catholic passage again for you brother?

Son of God is a title no?

.

What are the baha’is thoughts on satan?

As for Jesus, is he the son of God? Or is he a manifestation? Why cant the bahai either tell Christians that we have been misguided all these year - Jesus is not the son of God. Or simply tell the muslims - there is no unity of God. Jesus is the son of God. Perhaps they can’t come clean on this without antagonizing either islam or Christianity.

The Father’s only Son, conceived as man in the womb of the Virgin Mary, is “Christ”, that is to say, anointed by the Holy Spirit, from the beginning of his human existence.

Is this merely a title Servant?

 

[worldcitizen]

worldcitizen, The quran has numerous contradictions that is plain to see. Not only that but the Bible and the quran contradiction each other… and the baha’i contradicts the two.
One example: Christianity believe Jesus as the Son of God
Islam says Jesus is not.
Baha’i says what? a manifestation of god? A manifestation of god or not…is he the Son of God?

Another is hell and satan
Christianity and islam believes. Bahaism does not ( in the terms of Christian and muslim views )

Hi Jimmy,

Again we come across the problem of literal versus symbolic interpretation of the sciptures which has led to so much division within all religions. The contradiction is in people’s fallible interpretations but the Holy Books can be understood in a way that makes them in complete harmony with each other. This unity of scriptures is thoroughly explained in the Teachings of Baha’u’llah. If you read the Book of Certitude you will see clearly which is symbolic and which is literal and it all makes so much sense!

All the Quran is saying is Jesus is not the incarnation of God in the flesh which is an interpretation of some, not all Christians. Baha’is believe that the Son of God is a title not in the literal interpretation. In that sense all the Prophets and messengers were Sons Of God.

Regarding the Station of Jesus—All Prophets can be Regarded as Sons of God for they All Reflect His Light

“As regards your questions concerning the station of Jesus Christ, and His return as explained in the Gospel. It is true that Jesus referred to Himself as the Son of God, but this, as explained by Bahá’u’lláh in the Íqán, does not indicate any physical relationship whatever. Its meaning is entirely spiritual, and points out to the close relationship existing between Him and the Almighty God. Nor does it necessarily indicate any inherent superiority in the station of Jesus over other Prophets and Messengers. As far as their spiritual nature is concerned all Prophets can be regarded as Sons of God, as they all reflect His light, though not in an equal measure, and this difference in reflection is due to the conditions and circumstances under which they appear.”

(From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer, November 29, 1937)

 

[MartinJordan]

Awesome!!

What is awesome?

Hasantas failed to complete the verses as usual :

If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true. 32 There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is true.

33 “You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth. 34 Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved. 35 John was a lamp that burned and gave light, and you chose for a time to enjoy his light.

36** “I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish—the very works that I am doing—testify that the Father has sent me. 37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. 39 You study[c] the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.**

41** “I do not accept glory from human beings, 42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44 How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God[d]?**

45 “But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. 46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47 But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?”

Jesus is going deeper into the Truth. Are you ready?

To be contd…to those willing to listen.

MJ

 

[MartinJordan]

Why you skip 10:29. The answer is in it.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. John 10

Muslim do not deny Jesus.

You say if someone deny Jesus so deny God. You see the difference between Jesus and God!

The Father gave them to me. Why did you skip “to me”???

MJ

 

[MartinJordan]

Hi Jimmy,

Again we come across the problem of literal versus symbolic interpretation of the sciptures which has led to so much division within all religions. The contradiction is in people’s fallible interpretations but the Holy Books can be understood in a way that makes them in complete harmony with each other. This unity of scriptures is thoroughly explained in the Teachings of Baha’u’llah. If you read the Book of Certitude you will see clearly which is symbolic and which is literal and it all makes so much sense!

All the Quran is saying is Jesus is not the incarnation of God in the flesh which is an interpretation of some, not all Christians. Baha’is believe that the Son of God is a title not in the literal interpretation. In that sense all the Prophets and messengers were Sons Of God.

Regarding the Station of Jesus—All Prophets can be Regarded as Sons of God for they All Reflect His Light

“As regards your questions concerning the station of Jesus Christ, and His return as explained in the Gospel. It is true that Jesus referred to Himself as the Son of God, but this, as explained by Bahá’u’lláh in the Íqán, does not indicate any physical relationship whatever. Its meaning is entirely spiritual, and points out to the close relationship existing between Him and the Almighty God. Nor does it necessarily indicate any inherent superiority in the station of Jesus over other Prophets and Messengers. As far as their spiritual nature is concerned all Prophets can be regarded as Sons of God, as they all reflect His light, though not in an equal measure, and this difference in reflection is due to the conditions and circumstances under which they appear.”

(From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer, November 29, 1937)

Nothing could be further from the Truth.

Exegesis in 1937 is a mess.

MJ

 

[Servant19]

Nothing could be further from the Truth.

Exegesis in 1937 is a mess.

MJ

Based on what exegesis in 2016 Martin?

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[hasantas]

Salvation comes from God.
Salvation does not come through prophets! Prophets have no power to offer salvation. They are just men.
Islam verifies things only for you, because you are a follower.
It seems to me that your interpretations have little to do with what the Koran teaches.

I said salvation is from God through prophets. To whom revelation came? Do not distort what I said.

 

[JimmyDFG]

Hi Jimmy,

Again we come across the problem of literal versus symbolic interpretation of the sciptures which has led to so much division within all religions. The contradiction is in people’s fallible interpretations but the Holy Books can be understood in a way that makes them in complete harmony with each other. This unity of scriptures is thoroughly explained in the Teachings of Baha’u’llah. If you read the Book of Certitude you will see clearly which is symbolic and which is literal and it all makes so much sense!

All the Quran is saying is Jesus is not the incarnation of God in the flesh which is an interpretation of some, not all Christians. Baha’is believe that the Son of God is a title not in the literal interpretation. In that sense all the Prophets and messengers were Sons Of God.

Regarding the Station of Jesus—All Prophets can be Regarded as Sons of God for they All Reflect His Light

“As regards your questions concerning the station of Jesus Christ, and His return as explained in the Gospel. It is true that Jesus referred to Himself as the Son of God, but this, as explained by Bahá’u’lláh in the Íqán, does not indicate any physical relationship whatever. Its meaning is entirely spiritual, and points out to the close relationship existing between Him and the Almighty God. Nor does it necessarily indicate any inherent superiority in the station of Jesus over other Prophets and Messengers. As far as their spiritual nature is concerned all Prophets can be regarded as Sons of God, as they all reflect His light, though not in an equal measure, and this difference in reflection is due to the conditions and circumstances under which they appear.”

(From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer, November 29, 1937)

worldcitizen, Where these “prophets” or “manifestations of god” conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary?

The angel Gabriel announced in Luke 1:32-35
He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David;he will rule over the House of Jacob for ever and his reign will have no end.'Mary said to the angel, 'But how can this come about, since I have no knowledge of man?'The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will cover you with its shadow. And so the child will be holy and will be called Son of God.
Nathaniel, at his first meeting, called Him the Son of God (John 1:49). The devils called Him by the same name, the Jews ironically, and the Apostles after He quelled the storm. In all these cases its meaning was equivalent to the Messias, at least. But much more is implied in the confession of St. Peter, the testimony of the Father, and the words of Jesus Christ.

The Gospels report that at two solemn moments, the Baptism and the Transfiguration of Christ, the voice of the Father designates Jesus his “beloved Son”. Jesus calls himself the “only Son of God”, and by this title affirms his eternal pre-existence. He asks for faith in “the name of the only Son of God”. In the centurion’s exclamation before the crucified Christ, “Truly this man was the Son of God”, that Christian confession is already heard. Only in the Paschal mystery can the believer give the title “Son of God” its full meaning.

The title “Son of God” signifies the unique and eternal relationship of Jesus Christ to God his Father: he is the only Son of the Father (cf. Jn 1:14, 18; 3:16, 18); he is God himself (cf. Jn 1:1). To be a Christian, one must believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (cf. Acts 8:37; 1 Jn 2:23)

Now worldcitizen I’ll ask you again, is Jesus the Son of God in the terms of the Catholic Church?

 

[hasantas]

I’m glad you brought this up. I totally agree with you… What mere man can pluck them out of the father’s hand? Keeping in mind Jesus is also God

CCC
464 The unique and altogether singular event of the Incarnation of the Son of God does not mean that Jesus Christ is part God and part man, nor does it imply that he is the result of a confused mixture of the divine and the human. He became truly man while remaining truly God. Jesus Christ is true God and true man.

Similarly, the Father can be said to be greater than the Son pertaining to their relation within the inner life of God, but not with respect to their shared nature as being fully and equally God. The Father alone is the first principle of life in the Godhead; thus, the Catechism of the Catholic Church can say, in paragraph 246: “Everything that belongs to the Father, except being Father, the Son has also eternally from the Father, from whom he is eternally born . . .” (emphasis added). In this sense, the Father can be said to be greater than the Son relationally, while they are absolutely equal with regard to their essence as God.

Another—and perhaps simpler—way one can legitimately interpret this text is to point out that John 14:28 seems to be emphasizing the humanity of Christ. Thus, because Jesus is fully man, it would be appropriate to say the Father would be greater than the Son. The entire verse reads: “You heard me say to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”

Jesus was emphasizing here and in previous verses his impending death, resurrection, and departure from the apostles. This would apply to his humanity most particularly. Thus, the same Jesus who can say, “I and the Father are one” in John 10:30—as God—can say, “The Father is greater than I” in John 14:28—as man.

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You claim Jesus has two natures one divine and other carnal. But it is as if Jesus had never remember anything form divine part of Himself! He always used to talk in human nature!

Why should I keep Jesus is God? Jesus was a human very clearly and He stated many times so we should treat in that manner. And you should prove that He was also God.

It is not admissible that God became man while remaining God. That is an assumption. That means the eternal essence must incarnate into matter. The relation between eternal essence and material is the creating of God. If there is matter so it must be created by God. But you say God did not create instead God transform! Very strange. You help materialism idea who claim matter(or energy) to be eternal for rejection of Creator.

Father is greater than Son and to explain that Catechism say “the Son has also eternally from the Father, from whom he is eternally born”. There are some contradictions in that statement. Just one. If Son is born from Father then Son should be created after presence of Father. If you claim that born was eternal but yet it is not solved. Father should be the first to act. And that idea is not suitable for eternal being because there is no gradin or priority in eternal.

If Jesus is God then we have a human God. If someone is equal to me then I do not say for him God!

And most difficult part of that is the two natures of body. Please answer very clearly. Did Jesus have a human soul? Or did eternal essence of God settle into body of Jesus? Or anything else? I will answer according to your response.

 

[Servant19]

What are the baha’is thoughts on satan?

I will address the other parts of your post when time permits soon, but this question about satan.

Satan is a representation of the carnal inclination of man. That aspect of our nature while on earth that turns us away from God.

It is not an entity, or a being, or a person, otherwise his identity is St.Peter who was clearly called Satan by Jesus.

.

 

[worldcitizen]

worldcitizen, Where these “prophets” or “manifestations of god” conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary?

The angel Gabriel announced in Luke 1:32-35
He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David;he will rule over the House of Jacob for ever and his reign will have no end.'Mary said to the angel, 'But how can this come about, since I have no knowledge of man?'The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will cover you with its shadow. And so the child will be holy and will be called Son of God.
Nathaniel, at his first meeting, called Him the Son of God (John 1:49). The devils called Him by the same name, the Jews ironically, and the Apostles after He quelled the storm. In all these cases its meaning was equivalent to the Messias, at least. But much more is implied in the confession of St. Peter, the testimony of the Father, and the words of Jesus Christ.

The Gospels report that at two solemn moments, the Baptism and the Transfiguration of Christ, the voice of the Father designates Jesus his “beloved Son”. Jesus calls himself the “only Son of God”, and by this title affirms his eternal pre-existence. He asks for faith in “the name of the only Son of God”. In the centurion’s exclamation before the crucified Christ, “Truly this man was the Son of God”, that Christian confession is already heard. Only in the Paschal mystery can the believer give the title “Son of God” its full meaning.

The title “Son of God” signifies the unique and eternal relationship of Jesus Christ to God his Father: he is the only Son of the Father (cf. Jn 1:14, 18; 3:16, 18); he is God himself (cf. Jn 1:1). To be a Christian, one must believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (cf. Acts 8:37; 1 Jn 2:23)

Now worldcitizen I’ll ask you again, is Jesus the Son of God in the terms of the Catholic Church?

we believe Son of God to mean a spiritual relationship.Not the physical Son or incarnation of the essence of God.

 

[MartinJordan]

Based on what exegesis in 2016 Martin?

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New “truths” in 1937 about Jesus. Insulated in itself. Lack of exegesis actually.

MJ

 

[MartinJordan]

You claim Jesus has two natures one divine and other carnal. But it is as if Jesus had never remember anything form divine part of Himself! He always used to talk in human nature!

Why should I keep Jesus is God? Jesus was a human very clearly and He stated many times so we should treat in that manner. And you should prove that He was also God.

It is not admissible that God became man while remaining God. That is an assumption. That means the eternal essence must incarnate into matter. The relation between eternal essence and material is the creating of God. If there is matter so it must be created by God. But you say God did not create instead God transform! Very strange. You help materialism idea who claim matter(or energy) to be eternal for rejection of Creator.

Father is greater than Son and to explain that Catechism say “the Son has also eternally from the Father, from whom he is eternally born”. There are some contradictions in that statement. Just one. If Son is born from Father then Son should be created after presence of Father. If you claim that born was eternal but yet it is not solved. Father should be the first to act. And that idea is not suitable for eternal being because there is no gradin or priority in eternal.

If Jesus is God then we have a human God. If someone is equal to me then I do not say for him God!

And most difficult part of that is the two natures of body. Please answer very clearly. Did Jesus have a human soul? Or did eternal essence of God settle into body of Jesus? Or anything else? I will answer according to your response.

Jimmy is not saying divine and carnal nature. Jesus is of Divine and human nature. You fail to grasp it (I’m not surprised based on your skipping verses) and running away with your own definition.

MJ

 

[hasantas]

Jimmy is not saying divine and carnal nature. Jesus is of Divine and human nature. You fail to grasp it (I’m not surprised based on your skipping verses) and running away with your own definition.

MJ

I used Carnal for human nature. Look at end of the sentence" He always used to talk in human nature!"

You ignore facts and pick up some uninterested manners.