Do other Christian denominations accept homosexuality for their own convenience?

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Little_Sheep said:
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But that’s the thing, isn’t it? From my point of view, the churches in question rationalized their own sins (or, more precisely, the sins of their majority – divorce/remarriage, contraception, premarital sex, MB) then rationalized the sins of the homosexual minority. So you could say that they are being consistent in their teachings, but I’d respond that it’s consistently bad. 😦

Edit: Since the thread title says “homosexuality”, let me add (lest anyone get the wrong idea) that I’m speaking above wrt the acceptance of homosexual acts as moral. On the other hand, I am absolutely in favor of the acceptance of homosexual persons.
 
As the writer of post #80, I find it lapsed into sarcasm. Consider it recanted. I am usually courteous, but not perfect. Sorry.
 
Fot the Catholic Church, whether you are a homosexual or heterosexual, you are creatures of God and He loves you . However, practicing same sex is a sin and like any other sin, it is an abomination. They still can come to the church but with sin weighing on their shoulder if it not repented of in Confession.

There is the differentiation.

Killing or abusing homosexual who practices same sex is also sin, just like any other sin.

Just to keep the perspective right.
 
DaddyGirl said:
I think these churches have always “accepted” gay members. It is not to go with the tide.
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Hi DaddyGirl.

This isn’t a direct respond to your comment, but for the record do you realize that before 1962 all 50 states had anti-sodomy laws?
 
DaddyGirl said:
What do you mean “accept”. Doesn’t the Catholic church accept members who are homosexual? Does the C-church turn them away?

I think these churches have always “accepted” gay members. It is not to go with the tide.
They are just being more vocal about it today so that the gay members are aware of it and feel welcome.

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You have the truth, then you have the practice of individuals and communities.
They are not the same thing.

By acceptance, we mean the acceptance and welcome of all people into the community.
The topic is about the acceptance of homosexuality by the denomination.
There is a difference.

Yes, many communities will not speak out about homosexuality or sexual issues of any kind for fear of losing members.
Some of the more “progressive” communities label Catholics and others as bigots for speaking in favor of the union of a man and woman. Not all communities are willing to take a shot like that.
 
Cheiron said:
The Catholic Church has. Tomas Torquemada tortured and killed gay people. And even today they’re being called disordered by the Catholic cathecism. Pope Benedict XVI said same sex marriage is a threat to justice and world peace. That is bullying.
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Like it or not, the Catholic Church upholds these truths which are self-evident. Speaking the truth in love can hardly be called "bullying’ which, in the new secular language can mean anything that disagrees with secular culture’s latest bright idea. Sin is sin, regardless of what you may prefer to hear. The church teaches the truth, and sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman is always wrong. Always.
 
Tomdstone said:
Which faith is true, or is it just a matter of opinion. Would you say that it is a matter of opinion as to whether or not honor killings are morally acceptable?
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If on this earth, mankind and womankind knew for certain which was true, there would be no need for faith. As it is faith and belief that allow finite human beings to come to believe they know.
 
Used2beSherryG said:
Like it or not, the Catholic Church upholds these truths which are self-evident. Speaking the truth in love can hardly be called "bullying’ which, in the new secular language can mean anything that disagrees with secular culture’s latest bright idea. Sin is sin, regardless of what you may prefer to hear. The church teaches the truth, and sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman is always wrong. Always.
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I disagree with almost everything you said. I fear we’re at an impasse here.
 
Sy_Noe said:
If on this earth, mankind and womankind knew for certain which was true, there would be no need for faith. As it is faith and belief that allow finite human beings to come to believe they know.
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Catholics, and some others, believe there are some things that are unclear or uncertain, but certain other things are absolutely true or false regardless of what I think about them. My faith or reasoning process do not make them truer; though faith, and reason, complement each other and clarify things for me personally, they don’t make the absolute truths.

I think it is necessary to emphasize that nowadays, because there many religious writers and teachers seem to preach “faith in faith”. There is almost an assumption whatever conclusions I reach “by faith” are better, more genuine than slavishly following dogmas. (If you call a man “dogmatic”, nowadays he will think you are insulting him and deny this).

I do not minimize the importance of faith, just pointing out that this word has been altered recently. For many it no longer involves a protection against society’s pressure, but facilitation of it.
 
DaddyGirl said:
I’m somewhat aware of that.

But homosexual people don’t necessarily partake in sodomy.
And many heterosexual people do…including Catholics that I know.

So the “sodomy” laws were not just for those who have same sex attraction, or who are having sex with the same gender.
Unless…the laws said that heterosexual couples can partake in sodomy and homosexuals cannot? But I don’t think the laws specified that.
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Good question. I’m not sure how it was back in the day, but my understanding (see Wikipedia) is that at the time of the 2003 SCOTUS decision, out of the 15 states with anti-sodomy laws, 11 (or was it 10?) made no distinction as to gender.
 
Cheiron said:
I disagree with almost everything you said. I fear we’re at an impasse here.
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Yes sometimes when an impasse is reached and there is lack of consensus, the only thing left to do is to amicably agree to disagree.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Yes sometimes when an impasse is reached and there is lack of consensus, the only thing left to do is to amicably agree to disagree.
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That’s one approach. Or there’s

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Lea101 said:
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The passage about jesus healing his servant, I believe. People say he and the slaved loved each other (not in a platonic way) and that it was common for romans to sleep with servants (sex slaves or something, and homosexuality was common amongst pagans)…there are lots of websites that will explain and tell you about this…but to not hijack this thread, I’ll basically sum it up and say that at the end of the day, Jesus praised him for his faith, not for his relationship with the servant, hence he does not affirm homosexuality. He didn’t acknowledge it, just like he didn’t acknowledge everyone’s sins before healing their loved ones
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Unbelieveable the lengths some will go to to jusitfy their … rubbish!
 
My friend I am not doubting you but my point remains,

Most of us treat each other kindly whatever the situation

I have been assaulted and within recent years for standing up to bullies, and for being a Christian. Literally

Some folk do bad things,

Get over it

And why do folk flaunt their sexuality? We never did.
 
My friend I am not doubting you but my point remains,

Most of us treat each other kindly whatever the situation

I have been assaulted and within recent years for standing up to bullies, and for being a Christian. Literally … and I am old and disabled,

Some folk do bad things,

Get over it

And why do folk flaunt their sexuality? We never did.
 
Reuben_J said:
Fot the Catholic Church, whether you are a homosexual or heterosexual, you are creatures of God and He loves you . However, practicing same sex is a sin and like any other sin, it is an abomination. They still can come to the church but with sin weighing on their shoulder if it not repented of in Confession.

There is the differentiation.

Killing or abusing homosexual who practices same sex is also sin, just like any other sin.

Just to keep the perspective right.
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Peter_J said:
In some cases (i.e. if the person is celibate) they face hostility from the LGBT community.
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… from other LGBT individuals.

There is no “LGBT community” in terms of the churchlike kind of a community. LGBT equivalent of the Pope and ex cathedra does not exist. “LGBT community” is no other than a collective body of people of different faiths or lack thereof, who experience attraction to people of their own sex, regardless of whether or not such attraction is acted upon. One LGBT person’s opinion thus weighs as much as another one’s, and nobody speaks on behalf of the “community”, but for themselves alone.

Yes, I’ve been told by some LGBT individuals that, as a celibate LGBT person, I am “a traitor”. I’ve also been told by some Catholic individuals, that even as a celibate LGBT person, I should be kept out of the Church and denied Sacraments, that they vomit at the very thought of sharing a pew with me and that feelings that I didn’t invite, that I conceal and battle with, make me as good as a leper anyway. Three guesses as to which caused me greater emotional and spiritual pain.

Important note: I’m not American. Where I am, same-sex unions in any form are not recognized by the government. Conversely, violence against LGBT individuals (sexually active or not) is highly common.
 
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